CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #18

[dixiegirl1035]

Don’t know when she found out, but she knew she was having a boy before she died — they had already named him Nico

Ever since I saw the brother spell the name two different ways, I was wondering if it name of the boy was done by the parents and the family and the name, it was done posthumously.

I noted that the two spellings were 1) of the person that sent up the red flag to law enforcement, spelled with a C)
2) also his their guy friend (spelled with a k)

And those two spellings still stand as from her brother.

( noting of course that in the funeral, it was spelled with a C)

I've never seen this mentioned on the threads, but I thought it from the beginning. For some reason.

 

[MyBelle]

Funny you mention this. The other day I was watching one of Ted Bundy's interviews, it may have been his last one. Since he didn't speak in the first person when talking about his crimes / possible crimes, one thing he said I found quite revealing. To summarize he said that if you are looking for a serial killer (shard traits) they need to look for one who is obsessed with violent . He futher states that if law inforcement wanted to round up a bunch then get their hands on THE most outrageous and violent pornagraphy and air it somewhere suggesting the serial killers would come out of hiding like rats on cheese. I know people have attempted to link with violent death for some time but having an actual serial killer state this long before it was considered to be fact for some, tells me there is something to it.

I know there is something to it. A director of a state domestic violence commission told me studies have shown a direct correlation between addiction and domestic violence. It's very possible CW has a addiction. This case certainly represents one of the worst cases of domestic violence I've seen in a long time. JMO

 

[OTPTarheel2018]

My apologies if this has been posted before

From the operations section of the Anadarko website....www.anadarko.com

• More than 6,800 wells and 3,800 oil production tanks are monitored around the clock with an alarm system tied directly to the IOC

They have 24/7 monitoring system.
And all company vehicles have tracking devices for quick incident response.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Yes! Hadn’t thought of it before but makes all the sense in the world he would deactivate his FB page so AP couldn’t see he was spending the week with his family. I can’t imagine what it’s like to be HER right now. Or her husband.

Husband?

 

[MCDRAW]

I believe it was a Burger King, but you’re right. I read Dominick Dunne’s book years ago & believe meth fueled his rage & ability that fateful night.

This is a valid possibility. Perhaps C.W. was trying to work up the nerve to confront his wife and ask for a separation, and used drugs to give him the courage he lacked.

In my opinion, he never asked SW for a separation and never planned too. He wanted out, yes, but I believe he thought killing them was the only way out for him. Again, JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

In my opinion, he never asked SW for a separation and never planned too. He wanted out, yes, but I believe he thought killing them was the only way out for him. Again, JMO.

If anyone asked for a separation or divorce, it was Shanann. No one leaves this guy, and Shanann wasn’t getting out alive.

 

[OTPTarheel2018]

Husband?

I believe the AP is married.
JMO

 

[BetzC]

This is actually where I do have expertise, and I do not believe C.W. is autistic or anywhere on the spectrum. I won’t lay out all the reasons why for fear of straying O/T, but I feel confident in this assessment.

If you watch other videos of him in a more “natural” setting, playing with the children, walking through downtown Denver with his parents, etc. he does not have a flat affect.

I think what you may be picking up on in the TV interview is his attempt at suppressing emotion. (This emotion appears to me to be nervousness, fear—I’m not referring to regret or sadness). There are many tell-tale signs of nervousness, self-soothing, and suppressing feelings and/or words in that video, and one of them is his affect, which is controlled in an attempt to appear innocent.

MOO

Actually it's the SM videos where I noticed the flat affect. I haven't seen them all though and he could be totally different IRL. He just comes across like a dork and kind of meek. Just my opinion.

 

[Colorado303]

Husband?

The AP’s husband.

 

[Allabouttrial]

The AP’s husband.

Do you know for fact who the AP is? Let alone have a husband.

 

[esmerelda]

The reaction from SW more likely to be the OPPOSITE. Here's what often happens.... A woman suspects her husband of an affair. She thinks it must be her fault: her husband's new girlfriend is more attractive, more fun, more attentive, yadda yadda yadda... She blames herself. She has a confrontation with her philandering husband and discovers he is having affairs with men. Ahaha! No reason to blame herself any more. It's not about her. He likes men, not women, and therein lies his problem. Huge relief.
Moral: It's much easier psychologically to tolerate a husband's newly revealed homosexuality than to be the cause of his need to go find another woman.

Now, some women will almost certainly find the same sex orientation abominable (understand I'm not putting myself in this category), but that's in a whole different space than the torture of self-blame .

Spot on!!! Relief. Can't compete with that!

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Yes. I agree this will end with a conviction. I'm just scared of the process to get there.

Strategically, do you believe that there should be a second degree charge for his wife also as an option for the jury to choose from?

So many people talk about overcharging cases and the jury comes out and says they wish they had a lesser charge, and the only one that is lesser right now is about the bodies.

There is no lesser charge as far as the killing and the murder. Your thoughts?

 

[Shekkiec]

I believe the AP is married.
JMO

The retracted one from work? It seems he protected information for a reason . I am not sure why but that could be a possibility .

 

[SuziQ]

I wonder if she did tell him about her doctor's appointment. For the last couple of days, I have been thinking the separation was just around the corner and they may only been communicating with one another about work schedules and the kids. IDK.

I think CW knew about the appointment. IMO, he assumed that the office would merely mark SW down as a no show. He just didn't factor in other people finding out. Especially with hippa laws. Heck, I would have thought the same as CW. I'm still scratching my head wondering how NA or Sw's mom found out about the missed appointment.

 

[MyBelle]

I know it. And yet...people are finding ways to sort of excuse it. He didn't want them to be without their mother or to realize what he did or he lost his mind.

I don't view any of those as excuses but rather possible explanation. The only explanation I can find for why he would drop his own children in vats of oil is that he was under the influence of drugs. He's going to be found guilty whether he was or wasn't. JMO

 

[MCDRAW]

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[OTPTarheel2018]

Do you know for fact who the AP is? Let alone have a husband.

I saw the document online before it was redacted.

 

[ReckoningDay]

The reaction from SW more likely to be the OPPOSITE. Here's what often happens.... A woman suspects her husband of an affair. She thinks it must be her fault: her husband's new girlfriend is more attractive, more fun, more attentive, yadda yadda yadda... She blames herself. She has a confrontation with her philandering husband and discovers he is having affairs with men. Ahaha! No reason to blame herself any more. It's not about her. He likes men, not women, and therein lies his problem. Huge relief.
Moral: It's much easier psychologically to tolerate a husband's newly revealed homosexuality than to be the cause of his need to go find another woman.

Now, some women will almost certainly find the same sex orientation abominable (understand I'm not putting myself in this category), but that's in a whole different space than the torture of self-blame .

Oh not so sure!.... I would feel very cheated if I found out my husband was into men. I'd feel as if he had ALWAYS lived a lie, as opposed to just living a lie during an affair. I'd be angry he had married me and wasted my time trying to please someone who I never would have been able to please. I'd feel my entire marriage was based on a false premise. In short, I would be livid.

 

[MassGuy]

I don't view any of those as excuses but rather possible explanation. The only explanation I can find for why he would drop his own children in vats of oil is that he was under the influence of drugs. He's going to be found guilty whether he was or wasn't. JMO

Plenty of husbands have killed their families. They didn’t need drugs to do this. I find the actual killing, to be worse than what he did to them when they were dead. If you don’t need drugs to kill, you certainly don’t need drugs to dispose of the bodies, even in this terrible way.

He may very well have been under the influence, but my point is that he didn’t have to be.

 

[MCDRAW]

I don't think he necessarily pre-thought he'd put them into separate ones, I just think he'd thought about the tanks as a possible way to hide his family. I have absolutely no idea why he chose to separate them. It's awful. Putting them into the same tank is awful too. The whole thing is disgusting.

Either way- pre-planned or not- I'm not sure what went through his mind to separate them.

I may be wrong but I think he didn't care if they were together. He somehow turned off his feelings for them. Often times when a family member kills a loved one they will cover their face, etc. If he put them in the oil tanks to cover his tracks, if he cared at all at least you would think he would put them together. Of course, none of his actions make a lick of sense.