CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #18

[molly1255]

Oh not so sure!.... I would feel very cheated if I found out my husband was into men. I'd feel as if he had ALWAYS lived a lie, as opposed to just living a lie during an affair. I'd be angry he had married me and wasted my time trying to please someone who I never would have been able to please. I'd feel my entire marriage was based on a false premise. In short, I would be livid.

This is exactly how I would feel. I would feel defrauded.

 

[MCDRAW]

CW needs to have


True. No one really knows what may be happening in a marriage. Or even really know who they are married to...spouses often cheat, lie, and have either an unsuspecting partner, or one who ignores the problems.

I often wondered about BTK's wife, who said she had no idea her husband was a serial killer.

I just read a book about him and he said just before he was arrested, that his wife said, BTK spelled just like him. It's amazing she never put it together but it seems he fooled everyone that knew him.

 

[PhoneJockey]

I know it. And yet...people are finding ways to sort of excuse it. He didn't want them to be without their mother or to realize what he did or he lost his mind.

I truly don't think anyone making this "argument" is trying to excuse what he's done. I think people are just looking to find the reason HE may have been thinking, what his weird justifications could have been.

 

[Jennifer17]

This is exactly how I would feel. I would feel defrauded.

I know a woman whose husband left her and her two children for another man and I have never questioned her about how she felt when he first admitted that he had struggled with his sexuality for most of his life, but they are now great friends and he is still the good father and now grandfather that he always was.
She remarried and her husband is friends with him too.
They go on a trip and he and his same sex partner stay in their house to feed animals and house sit. The children are now grown up.

 

[mickey2942]

That’s my thinking as well. I think he caught her by surprise. Scott Peterson was also able to somehow escape injury.

I think that they waited until their wives were asleep. Not much fight will occur when choking someone with their face in a pillow.

Both of them seem like cowards, they were not going to take the chance that their wives could fight back or get away.

 

[MCDRAW]

Everybody keeps going on about the tanks. Everything he did was horrible.
He couldn't take then anywhere else IMO. Everywhere he went was going to be known that day.

Putting the bodies in bags and disposing of them was going to be horrible any way you/I look at it.
Would putting them in a shallow grave too be (I don't know what word to use)... better?
Burning? Every way is absolutely evil considering they were his children/wife.
I don't really get the significance of the tanks but I understand the anger.
Panicked, nowhere to turn, nowhere to go, no believable story, NO right to do what he did.

He is evil and after killing them, nothing he did could make it better, IMO. But the tanks are significant in my mind because, I believe it shows it was planned. I say that because, one the risk in transporting them to his work. Two, he had to have meant for them all to be placed in those tanks where I really doubt they would have ever been found. Otherwise, why bury her at his work? I mean, seriously, if found everyone would immediately know he put them there.

 

[cailleach]

The beef on People Magazine gets old. On crime cases they have their own sources. You'll note they even use their own source in addition to reporting news other orgs have reported.

As I mentioned a few days ago, it's not outside the realm of possibility the work AP is cooperating with LE. Undoubtedly, they've spoken with the male lover who came forward to verify his story too, and checked out the person with the Tinder story too. They are going to interview, at least once, everyone who can help offer some insight into his conduct and character. It's nothing extraordinary in a case like this one.

 

[molly1255]

I know a woman whose husband left her and her two children for another man and I have never questioned her about how she felt when he first admitted that he had struggled with his sexuality for most of his life, but they are now great friends and he is still the good father and now grandfather that he always was.
She remarried and her husband is friends with him too.
They go on a trip and he and his same sex partner stay in their house to feed animals and house sit. The children are now grown up.

She's much nicer about it than I would have been!

 

[Jennifer17]

She's much nicer about it than I would have been!

Yes, me too, but it seems to me that she made the best of what was for her, a bad situation and did the best thing for her children. I have to add, that he signed their paid for house over to her and supported her financially until she remarried and always supported the children financially until they came of age.

 

[MCDRAW]

I still think they would have been found. LE used a drone in order to search that area, prior to him confessing, so they searched it for a reason.

He had limited time in which to dump the bodies, so searching his place of employment would have been high on their list.

That area is bound to have cameras and access control measures. They also would have likely had his cell phone data in order to pinpoint where he went that morning.

Yes. But without them seeing the sheet and the freshy turned dirt, he could have easily said, he was at work doing his job. I do believe his behavior caused them to suspect him immediately and they probably would have searched those tanks any way. Had he been more convincing, who knows.

 

[borndem]

I agree, and in this case we also have two murdered little girls. They were still babies. We don't know what evidence LE might have to prove CW is lying about SW strangling the little girls, but IMO, CW himself gave proof that he killed all three. He did this through his own actions, to which he has confessed, and/or has been documented by LE. JMO.

It's possible some people might be swayed into buying
the notion that a pregnant mom might flip out and strangle her little girls after learning her husband wants a separation. CW's statement on this is completely self-serving and IMO, completely preposterous. Some on a jury might want to give him some benefit of the doubt, but I think that will be very short lived, JMO, when they get to the part about what he did after the murders:

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You said it.
Will CW get up on the stand and tell that story about his telling SW that he wanted a divorce and that it put her into a murderous rage?? Oohh, if so, the prosecution will rip him a new one -- I don't think he is bright enuff to take the stand without screwing it up, and I feel sure his defense team will easily notice his limited smarts sooner than later.
So, IMO, the only way the jury hears that CW asked for a divorce would be: 1) opening/closing arguments (not evidence), 2) a psychologist could relate what he told him/her in a session, or 3) a friend of his might testify that he told him/her about it, but then the question would be when did he tell his friend.

Further, it may be that SW told her parents that she was thinking about a separation/divorce on her trip there -- she was probably confused, sad, mad and upset. Her parents would surely take the stand to contest his story about it, if necessary.

 

[MCDRAW]

Jury selection will be very interesting in this case. If the defense decides to make Shanann the "bad one", finding a divorced man, who detested his ex wife, could very well have "counter-transference" issues. Identifying with CW, and focusing the blame on SW.

A man who had an acrimonious divorce, a horrible marriage, who had cheated on his wife, would be a perfect juror for CW. He would be quite sympathetic, to the point of negating the disposal of bodies.

Maybe single women would find CW attractive, and feel badly for him, married to a "boderline shrew". Might be able to charm one or two.

Married women, bad choice, especially ones with children. Unless they were really able to convince them of the "story" they have laid out, that CW is a hero, who was trying to save his kids from his "crazy wife".

I don't believe his story. But hey, I thought OJ and Casey Anthony were guilty beyond any doubt...

I know that you are right. I couldn't get past the fact that he confessed to killing her and dumping the bodies. If everything happened as he said, why not get help for the kids? Those would be my thoughts but I do realize not everyone has common sense. And everyone's life experiences color how they see things.

 

[Layla123]

I know a woman whose husband left her and her two children for another man and I have never questioned her about how she felt when he first admitted that he had struggled with his sexuality for most of his life, but they are now great friends and he is still the good father and now grandfather that he always was.
She remarried and her husband is friends with him too.
They go on a trip and he and his same sex partner stay in their house to feed animals and house sit. The children are now grown up.

I’ve had 2 women friends whose husbands came out as gay long after the weddings, and they hated it, but they understood. The pain is different than it is if he cheats with a woman. In both instances the husbands felt awful about it, they loved their wives, but they were who they were.

 

[cailleach]

Living in a part of the world where meth addiction is rampant, I can spot a meth addict a mile away. I don't think CW is on meth. It leaves a very distinctive look. I do think the speculation he was on steroids is likely on point, though.

I agree. He doesn't have any of the physical indications of the "bugs" that cause addicts to pick their skin or the typical dental woes.

 

[JudgeJudi]

The way he treated their bodies, tells us all we need to know about him.

If you mean that he's a monster devoid of humanity, I totally agree.

Assuming he pleads not guilty, we'll never know the reason he committed these unspeakable murders, but I still want to know a great deal more about him:

- his background before he met Shanann
- how the events unfolded that night
- I want to hear from him in his own words an explanation as to why he disposed of the children's bodies in such a manner if he loved them
- why his versions changed
- why did he have unprotected sex with Shanann if HE didn't want another child. He always had the choice of having a vasectomy and he didn't even need to tell her.
- IF he had affairs, why.

Not knowing how a father could do this and why keeps me awake at night.

 

[The Saint]

I've flipped the titles on the floorplans that PommyMommy posted. I may have
Bella and Cece's bedrooms wrong. Also, I don't know the patio option. Is the patio Opt 1 or 2?

 

[MassGuy]

If you mean that he's a monster devoid of humanity, I totally agree.

Assuming he pleads not guilty, we'll never know the reason he committed these unspeakable murders, but I still want to know a great deal more about him:

- his background before he met Shanann
- how the events unfolded that night
- I want to hear from him in his own words an explanation as to why he disposed of the children's bodies in such a manner if he loved them
- why his versions changed
- why did he have unprotected sex with Shanann if HE didn't want another child. He always had the choice of having a vasectomy and he didn't even need to tell her.
- IF he had affairs, why.

Not knowing how a father could do this and why keeps me awake at night.

I absolutely agree. Kathryn Casey needs to write a book on this, or someone needs to dig up Ann Rule and put her back to work. There’s so many unanswered questions, many that we might not ever get answers to.

 

[MCDRAW]

Ever since I saw the brother spell the name two different ways, I was wondering if it name of the boy was done by the parents and the family and the name, it was done posthumously.

I noted that the two spellings were 1) of the person that sent up the red flag to law enforcement, spelled with a C)
2) also his their guy friend (spelled with a k)

And those two spellings still stand as from her brother.

( noting of course that in the funeral, it was spelled with a C)

I've never seen this mentioned on the threads, but I thought it from the beginning. For some reason.

I don't think you can go by that, not everyone can spell or auto-correct changes the spelling. When my daughter was about three months old, my aunt kept calling her by the wrong name. Finally, my mom said, that's not her name. My Dad had told my aunt the wrong name. LOL He thought that was her name. In his defense he was extremely sick when she was born. He did get the first letter right.

 

[MassGuy]

I know that you are right. I couldn't get past the fact that he confessed to killing her and dumping the bodies. If everything happened as he said, why not get help for the kids? Those would be my thoughts but I do realize not everyone has common sense. And everyone's life experiences color how they see things.

Exactly. I can think of many cases where a similar scenario played out, but I can’t find a single one that occurred similar to what he claims (Wife kills kids, husband kills wife). I think the simple answer is everything did not occur as he said it did.

 

[The Saint]

I absolutely agree. Kathryn Casey needs to write a book on this, or someone needs to dig up Ann Rule and put her back to work. There’s so many unanswered questions, many that we might not ever get answers to.

Ann Rule is dead. RIP