Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #19

[dixiegirl1035]

Just a synopsis.
And anyone who might have anything to do with the investigation may be listed just in case. Not everyone listed will testify.

Iirc, in other cases that I have followed, it seems I recall that sometimes it is done so that folks cannot be in the courtroom before they testify? If they are in the list?

Am I correct in Remembering this Gitana, that if somebody is on the witness list they cannot be in court until after they testify ? ( an exception I remember is Caylee Anthony's parents for which they had to get approval)

And both the defense and prosecution does that sometimes?

 

[PommyMommy]

Iirc, the neighbor usually left early to go out for a run and saw his car backed in. He may have seen the neighbor running. But he did not know it was on tape at the time? A lot of stuff was mentioned on previous threads that between the three interviews, he learned the exact time and that he was indeed on tape, and that is why on the second and third interview he knew the exact time that was 5:27 a.m.

Just for clarity, one neighbor witnesses his truck running and another neighbor's camera captured his truck backed up and leaving that morning. I think there are posters (not you) who may be confusing the two separate accounts.

Next-door neighbor BM observed his truck running at 5:15 am because she was leaving for the gym, which she did regularly on weekdays. She said something to the effect of that being unusual, or that she had never seen him leave that early before.

Neighbor NT's camera showed his truck backing up to the garage at 5:27 am. and leaving shortly thereafter. CW said he was loading tools, then left for the Hudson job site.

 

[gitana1]

Iirc, in other cases that I have followed, it seems I recall that sometimes it is done so that folks cannot be in the courtroom before they testify? If they are in the list?

Am I correct in Remembering this Gitana, that if somebody is on the witness list they cannot be in court until after they testify ? ( an exception I remember is Caylee Anthony's parents for which they had to get approval)

And both the defense and prosecution does that sometimes?

Yes. But that's not why the state listed all those LE employees.

 

[PhoneJockey]

My issue is that there has been no evidence (police calls, accounts from friends, etc.) that there was ever any domestic violence, atleast until that night. This does strike me as odd, but that doesn’t mean that this wasn’t a horrific
one-off physical interaction.

Unless there is other evidence, photos of banged up kids doesn’t mean a lot to me. Kids injure themselves all the time, I still have the scars to prove it.

We don't know that there were never any DV type calls to the home. The police were asked and refused to answer either way about it.

 

[gitana1]

Just for clarity, one neighbor witnesses his truck running and another neighbor's camera captured his truck backed up and leaving that morning. I think there are posters (not you) who may be confusing the two separate accounts.

Next-door neighbor BM observed his truck running at 5:15 am because she was leaving for the gym, which she did regularly on weekdays. She said something to the effect of that being unusual, or that she had never seen him leave that early before.

Neighbor NT's camera showed his truck backing up to the garage at 5:27 am. and leaving shortly thereafter. CW said he was loading tools, then left for the Hudson job site.

Thanks for that clarification. I actually thought it was the same neighbor!! Stupid me!!

 

[PommyMommy]

Thanks for that clarification. I actually thought it was the same neighbor!! Stupid me!!

You're welcome. The 5:15 account is here: Chris Watts' slain family: Wife suspected infidelity

 

[molly1255]

I agree with all of this except the part about not realizing that SW wouldn't fit into the oil tank per the top hatch. How could he have not known that? He worked that same job for a number of years. The field operators lift those thief hatches for various reasons almost on a daily basis. At one time, the operators actually gauged the amount of of oil in the tanks by manually running a gauge line into the tank. I think that is automatically done now by a computerized device So, I am not buying that he didn't realize SW wouldn't fit in that tank! I have no idea what how he planned to dispose of SW, unless he planned something much more diabolical, like dismembering and then disposing in the tank, but at a later time. No time for that right then!

I agree that it doesn't make sense how he could have made this mistake. But it also doesn't make sense that he buried her in a shallow grave, either, and that he also left the bed sheet behind.

JMO, he was very careful to hide the bodies of his daughters, but then is very negligent about he dealt with disposing of his wife's body? In the very place that is his alibi?

CW is the only one who knows what he intended to do with SW's body. JMO, I think he screwed up and he was going to have to somehow deal with SW's body later, but N's intervention prevented him from doing that.

JMO.

 

[gitana1]

I agree that it doesn't make sense how he could have made this mistake. But it also doesn't make sense that he buried her in a shallow grave, either, and that he also left the bed sheet behind.

JMO, he was very careful to hide the bodies of his daughters, but then is very negligent about he dealt with disposing of his wife's body? In the very place that is his alibi?

CW is the only one who knows what he intended to do with SW's body. JMO, I think he screwed up and he was going to have to somehow deal with SW's body later, but N's intervention prevented him from doing that.

JMO.

How do we know she wouldn't fit in the tanks?

 

[Layla123]

Just a synopsis.
And anyone who might have anything to do with the investigation may be listed just in case. Not everyone listed will testify.

How long before the defense has access to everything LE has on their client? When will they get a copy of CW’s confession?

 

[Amandaaa]

Iirc, the neighbor usually left early to go out for a run and saw his car backed in. He may have seen the neighbor running. But he did not know it was on tape at the time? A lot of stuff was mentioned on previous threads that between the three interviews, he learned the exact time and that he was indeed on tape, and that is why on the second and third interview he knew the exact time that was 5:27 a.m.

He did the interviews before the police (and detective) came to his house for the first time? I thought the media interviews were after that point in time.

 

[Amandaaa]

At the time of the porch interviews he was aware of the camera. It's unclear if he was aware prior to disposing of his family.

I was going from the affidavit - the account of his initial questioning by the detective. If I’m reading it correctly (and maybe I’m not), it *looks* like C.W. - when first asked for a timeline of events - told them he’d backed his truck up to the garage at 5:27, and that the time had then been confirmed by the neighbor’s video.

 

[PhoneJockey]

Try thinking of it another way. What if CW did not push for baby #3?
What if the pregnancy was attempt to “keep” him, or even was a message to the AP?

If it was planned, wearing a t-shirt that says “Oops! We did it again!” implies it was a result of a night of passion. Per her SM, she also had a shirt made that said, “All I wanted was a back rub.” Wearing this shirt with a baby bump implies he just couldn’t keep his hands off her.

Also, besides implying they had an active sex life that resulted in an “oops,” she posted & told people that it was all his idea. This is conflicting on the surface, but both send the message he was “all in.”

Now think about whom she would have wanted to receive that message, loud and clear?

I think you are reading WAY too much into the shirts. Those are just cutesy things that couples (usually on the insistence of the female) wear to advertise/announce pregnancy. They aren't necessarily biographical in nature.

 

[gitana1]

How long before the defense has access to everything LE has on their client? When will they get a copy of CW’s confession?

There's a discovery process. Usually it's given at the pretrial hearing.

What's scheduled next in this case?

 

[gitana1]

He did the interviews before the police (and detective) came to his house for the first time? I thought the media interviews were after that point in time.

He did the interviews after the police first came to the house. But when he disposed of his family he may not have been aware at that time of the cameras. As Nickole and the police were running around asking if anyone saw anything not had cameras, that's could be when he realized he was on video and thus nothing else would be seen.

We don't know if he was aware of the cameras beforehand. Probably I would think but I don't know.

 

[gitana1]

I was going from the affidavit - the account of his initial questioning by the detective. If I’m reading it correctly (and maybe I’m not), it *looks* like C.W. - when first asked for a timeline of events - told them he’d backed his truck up to the garage at 5:27, and that the time had then been confirmed by the neighbor’s video.

Ahh. I see. I need to reread that.

 

[OTPTarheel2018]

At this time, if I recall correctly, this is only an assumption and not a fact that the truck had a GPS tracker on it.

Only assumption by many people here on the threads. But not a fact that has been released in mainstream media or law enforcement, or Ashley Banfield!

Moo

I posted this link yesterday - it’s the Anadarko website.
It states they monitor their tanks and wells 24/7 and their vehicles are equipped with tracking.

Scroll to about the middle and you will see a photo of the 27/7 monitoring center.

Operations

 

[Layla123]

There's a discovery process. Usually it's given at the pretrial hearing.

What's scheduled next in this case?

Does evidence sharing conclude before the arraignment? Except for what else is discovered as time goes on?

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[The Saint]

In the previous thread, @The Saint said that CW had life insurance on his kids and then asked, "Who does that?" Answer? Smart people (or, in this case, people planning something). But mostly smart people.

Cost of child loss is something that nobody talks about. But it's definitely something that many of us have faced. $5,000 for the funeral/embalming/etc, $1100 for the casket, $500 for the cemetery fees, etc. Those were the costs quoted to us. We wound up with cremation but it still cost more than $5,000 out of pocket. Then there were the final costs that health insurance didn't cover, including transferring the body to the state ME from our local hospital. All together it cost us, in bills, more than $15,000. And my husband and I didn't get to take a single day off from work because we needed the money.

We didn't have life insurance on our child that died but we do on our 2 living children now. NOBODY plans on their children dying (except maybe CW). We didn't. But things can happen. Accidents. Illnesses. And the costs can, frankly, bury a family. Not everyone gets thousands of dollars in donations afterwards, or even hundreds. If we'd had life insurance then we could have taken time off to grieve and focus on our surviving son. Instead, we were hit with immediate bills we didn't know how to pay and doing badly at jobs we didn't want to be at.

As far as why CW got insurance on the kids? Could be premeditation, could be be what-if scenario planning, or it could just be that his job offered it. The insurance that we have on our kids can be cashed out. When they turn 18 they can withdraw $8,000. We thought that might be a good graduation present.

Thanks for setting me straight. I was thinking funerals/burials came under a family policy. I am so sorry that you lost your son. I know it's painful for us to even read about it but you and your family had to live it.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

9 News:

Denver 7:

KDVR:

At 3:44 in the second video, doesn't he say " that is why I left the house", referring to Monday night when he had all the lights on. Can somebody re- listen to that... am I just hearing that for the first time or mis hearing it? I never knew he left the house that night?

 

[The Saint]

Post #787 from previous thread

@ZsaZsa

“Why would he have had his tools in the house? His answer would have been interesting”.

The house has a triple garage and I would have thought that’s where tools were kept. Tools??? I guess that means a shovel and 3 bodies.

Oh, there was one more tool. Him.

Many people have tools at their garages. Thieves like to steal them. CW was a mechanic, so I'm sure he had plenty of tools.