Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #19

[MJPeony]

I don't think there was any legitimate belief- either on part of CW or SW- that SW would be fine on her own financially. IMO, her business with LeVel was not as lucrative as some may think (and as it was portrayed on SM). I think they were in serious financial trouble and I think the work with Thrive was at best not helping, at worst possibly contributing in part to the problem.

Not sure that it's even that relevant. Just saying I don't think there was a confident plan from SW for a separation. I still think she would have tried to make things work until the very last possible straw. Maybe that straw had been drawn that night...maybe. But I'm not at all convinced it was a "we're done here" moment.

It's all extra hard to grasp for me because this is the first time I look at a family murder case where there is SO MUCH completely 180 degrees social media indication that they were living a downright blissful life. Other men who've committed similar atrocities can have seemed perfectly normal, etc. But this is different to me. CW and SW very very publicly displayed literally the polar opposite.

All MOO.

 

[Seattle1]

Bankruptcy is only for the debt you have no intentions on paying off.

So if it was intended to be pay off. Then you wouldn't list it on the bankruptcy papers.

Bankruptcy requires list of petitioners total Assets and Liabilities so regardless of whether or not the vehicle had a lien, any vehicle owned would have been listed.

 

[Seattle1]

I thought Chris said it was an "emotional conversation" not a
"civil conversation."

CW did call it an "emotional conversation" in his TV interviews.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

She would not have access while flying, And there is no reason that they could not be dead and placed in the bed looking asleep

Most airlines have WiFi.

 

[Charlot123]

I think it’s possible that SW and CW got into a fight, and SW said something that absolutely infuriated him, and he lost it and strangled her. Then afterwards, realizing that he’d just committed murder, he came up with a plan to turn it on her to make it her fault. But People Mag said they have his phone, his texts, and his Internet searches, it was premeditated, so I’d rather believe that!

She might have even said "I know what you are doing", or "I'll ruin your life", or something like this, if she was angry. He might have planned it, or he might have felt that he was cornered by SW, and there was no way out, and started planning. But I am sure that he did not snap, that he had entertained the thought, although how spontaneously everything happened, I am not sure of.

I am wondering if there should be an advise to all women who are suspecting infidelity but have not discussed it with their spouses, or suspecting that husband is gay, not to discuss it one-on-one, but do it in a safe place, such as family therapist's office, and confront the spouse there. Or any other third party, but not at home alone. Seriously.

I wonder if he ever dared to kill the family if he knew that the secret was known to an external source.

I wonder if SW's mistake was, she was trying so hard to portray a happy family, be it because of her sales, or some serious perfectionism, that no one knew what really was going on there, and he thought he could get away with murder.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

I would have thought that meant the baby died as a result of her death, but the wording makes it sound like she died as a result of the baby's death, which is gruesome on a whole other level.

I imagine that life was just not working out as he intended so he decided to start over. These guys do not see other people as important or existing outside of his own perception. Other people, even their children, are accoutrements to his image and when he is ready for something else, he gets them out of the way and on to the next thing.

I co-parent with one. I was lucky to have been given the chance to get out with my daughter under the oversight of the law and the courts while he was in jail. My exes' goal is to ruin me and take full custody, and as long as I prevent that, he continues to compete in the better parent game, which keeps my child as safe as she can be while she is with him, because his image of being as good of a parent as me is important to him as long as I am in the picture. And he knows I will go legal on him at any mis-step.

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She died as a result of the intent to terminate her pregnancy. I think that is where that is headed. Motive is right in the charge.

 

[MassGuy]

I don't think there was any legitimate belief- either on part of CW or SW- that SW would be fine on her own financially. IMO, her business with LeVel was not as lucrative as some may think (and as it was portrayed on SM). I think they were in serious financial trouble and I think the work with Thrive was at best not helping, at worst possibly contributing in part to the problem.

Not sure that it's even that relevant. Just saying I don't think there was a confident plan from SW for a separation. I still think she would have tried to make things work until the very last possible straw. Maybe that straw had been drawn that night...maybe. But I'm not at all convinced it was a "we're done here" moment.

It's all extra hard to grasp for me because this is the first time I look at a family murder case where there is SO MUCH completely 180 degrees social media indication that they were living a downright blissful life. Other men who've committed similar atrocities can have seemed perfectly normal, etc. But this is different to me. CW and SW very very publicly displayed literally the polar opposite.

All MOO.

I agree. I don’t think SW was making as much money as we have been led to believe, and their financial situation was a dire one.

She had to project this image of happiness and success, in order to promote the product that she was selling. It appears that her social media posts, don’t reflect the reality of the life she was living.

From what we have heard, she suspected that C.W. was cheating on her. What we don’t know though, is if she ever confronted him about it.

You’d think that prior to deciding there should be a separation, you would have a discussion regarding infidelity. Most people want to confirm their partner is in fact cheating, before jumping the gun, and ending the relationship.

Perhaps she finally confronted her husband, and he responded with violence.

 

[MerryB]

I don't think there was any legitimate belief- either on part of CW or SW- that SW would be fine on her own financially. IMO, her business with LeVel was not as lucrative as some may think (and as it was portrayed on SM). I think they were in serious financial trouble and I think the work with Thrive was at best not helping, at worst possibly contributing in part to the problem.

Not sure that it's even that relevant. Just saying I don't think there was a confident plan from SW for a separation. I still think she would have tried to make things work until the very last possible straw. Maybe that straw had been drawn that night...maybe. But I'm not at all convinced it was a "we're done here" moment.

It's all extra hard to grasp for me because this is the first time I look at a family murder case where there is SO MUCH completely 180 degrees social media indication that they were living a downright blissful life. Other men who've committed similar atrocities can have seemed perfectly normal, etc. But this is different to me. CW and SW very very publicly displayed literally the polar opposite.

All MOO.

Agree!

 

[Layla123]

She might have even said "I know what you are doing", or "I'll ruin your life", or something like this, if she was angry. He might have planned it, or he might have felt that he was cornered by SW, and there was no way out, and started planning. But I am sure that he did not snap, that he had entertained the thought, although how spontaneously everything happened, I an not sure.

I am wondering if there should be an advise to all women who are suspecting infidelity but have not discussed it with their spouses, or suspecting that husband is gay, not to discuss it one-on-one, but do it in a safe place, such as family therapist's office, and confront the spouse there. Or any other third party, but not at home alone. Seriously.

I wonder if he ever dared to kill the family if he knew that the secret was known to an external source.

I wonder if SW's mistake was, she was so hard trying to portray a happy family, be it because of her sales, or some serious perfectionism, that no one knew what really was going there, and he thought he could get away with murder.

I just can’t get over CW not having a scratch mark on his body. I’m choosing to believe People Mag who said LE has proof through texts and Internet searches that this was a premeditated. I think he ambushed her. But I could be wrong.

 

[MassGuy]

She died as a result of the intent to terminate her pregnancy. I think that is where that is headed. Motive is right in the charge.

I think you’re misreading that. He intentionally terminated the pregnancy by intentionally murdering the mother.

There has been no discussion anywhere, that a motive has been determined here. And there is certainly no evidence that Shanann was killed in order to end her pregnancy. He simply would have known that killing the mother, would obviously kill the baby.

 

[Jennifer17]

I agree. I deadon’t think SW was making as much money as we have been led to believe, and their financial situation was a dire one.

She had to project this image of happiness and success, in order to promote the product that she was selling. It appears that her social media posts, don’t reflect the reality of the life she was living.

From what we have heard, she suspected that C.W. was cheating on her. What we don’t know though, is if she ever confronted him about it.

You’d think that prior to deciding there should be a separation, you would have a discussion regarding infidelity. Most people want to confirm their partner is in fact cheating, before jumping the gun, and ending the relationship.

Perhaps she finally confronted her husband, and he responded with violence.

Yes, and no way was he sharing anything with her, even care and support of the children.
I know a man who has gone to jail three times and had his passport deactivated because he refuses to pay child support for his four young children. When the Tax Department took it out of his paycheck, he fled overseas. He thinks that she is spending his money, when in reality, she spends every penny she gets on food and clothing for the children.
He instigated the separation, not her.

 

[MassGuy]

I just can’t get over CW not having a scratch mark on his body. I’m choosing to believe People Mag who said LE has proof through texts and Internet searches that this was a premeditated. I think he ambushed her. But I could be wrong.

I can’t find anything in any of the People Magazine articles that says that LE found internet searches and texts, proving that this was premeditated. Are you sure about this?

 

[Jennifer17]

I can’t find anything in any of the People Magazine articles that says that LE found internet searches and texts, proving that this was premeditated. Are you sure about this?

What they said was (according to People Mag) was that he had not deleted his searches and texts. Not that they were incriminating, but the fact that they even mentioned it may have some meaning.

 

[human]

Most airlines have WiFi.

Can you use your phone on the plane? No, you cannot.

 

[human]

Can you use your phone on the plane? No, you cannot.

Wifi is not free on a plane.

 

[MassGuy]

What they said was (according to People Mag) was that he had not deleted his searches and texts. Not that they were incriminating, but the fact that they even mentioned it may have some meaning.

Gotcha. That makes more sense. I think if anything, not deleting that stuff says that this was not premeditated. Although he simply could have forgotten, or there could have been nothing incriminating to delete in the first place.

 

[Charlot123]

I just can’t get over CW not having a scratch mark on his body. I’m choosing to believe People Mag who said LE has proof through texts and Internet searches that this was a premeditated. I think he ambushed her. But I could be wrong.

Hopefully, we shall know one day. And still not understand because we, obviously, think differently. But I paid attention to details of their house - it is picture-perfect and squeaky-clean. The photo where they all are wearing Mickey ears - did they go to Orlando? But not only the ears, the postures, this perfect symmetry and happiness in the photo. All these posts on IG about how wonderful their lives are. I think SW was very perfectionistic, and her posts were not only sales pitch. She wanted to paint their dream life to the world.

Now, if a person like her started telling friends and family that they were having issues, it means, serious issues. So I can't believe they did not have "emotional conversations" before. Maybe CW is putting a wrong time stamp on the conversation. Maybe it happened before she left. But something must have... to make him think that divorce was not an option.

 

[Jennifer17]

Gotcha. That makes more sense. I think if anything, not deleting that stuff says that this was not premeditated. Although he simply could have forgotten, or there could have been nothing incriminating to delete in the first place.

I have an idea that that is how they found out about the AP. I don't think that this man is very bright.

 

[Layla123]

I can’t find anything in any of the People Magazine articles that says that LE found internet searches and texts, proving that this was premeditated. Are you sure about this?

Sept 10 issue says, “police are finding plenty of evidence on bedding, clothes, computers and phones taken from the Watts home. And police are helped by the fact that text messages and search histories were not deleted. “We don’t think that this was a situation where someone just snapped.”

 

[The Saint]

In the 5th paragraph of the affidavit, he called it a “civil” conversation.

Oh, ok. I was thinking of what he said on the porch to the reporter.