Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #20

[medea13]

Many child murders happen because of wetting or soiling the bed.
Bedwetting accidents: When parents kill...

wasn't this a theory in the jon benet ramsey case too?

 

[nwmouse]

I get that his actions seemed flippant, but, really, what is the correct meal for that situation?

When horrible family tragedies have occurred with me, those close to me insisted I continued to eat and sleep and breathe.

I'm reminded of when my child was killed. If I was crying, the whispers were that I was "hysterical" or "guilt-ridden," all of which meant I was horrible and had done something to cause this tragedy. If I wasn't crying, then it was "she's so cold," "too stoic," all of which meant I was horrible and had done something to cause this tragedy. I wasn't horrible. I didn't cause any of it. I was an emotional, grieving, terrified, very young mother with a multitude of emotions. There are some situations that are "no win," and this was one for CW--he's an abhorrent #$&@, so really there's nothing he could have done or eaten then which would make anything better NOW.

Shrug. Perhaps pizza was all he could stomach. I can sleep anywhere anytime and especially under stress--it's an escape.

I'm rambling...

I'm so sorry for your loss. In situations where I have been sick with worry - life or death -- I could not eat, sleep, shower, wash my hair or take care of myself. I wanted to die at the thought that the one I loved most in the world was missing. I literally lost my mind.

 

[Allabouttrial]

I get that his actions seemed flippant, but, really, what is the correct meal for that situation?

When horrible family tragedies have occurred with me, those close to me insisted I continued to eat and sleep and breathe.

I'm reminded of when my child was killed. If I was crying, the whispers were that I was "hysterical" or "guilt-ridden," all of which meant I was horrible and had done something to cause this tragedy. If I wasn't crying, then it was "she's so cold," "too stoic," all of which meant I was horrible and had done something to cause this tragedy. I wasn't horrible. I didn't cause any of it. I was an emotional, grieving, terrified, very young mother with a multitude of emotions. There are some situations that are "no win," and this was one for CW--he's an abhorrent #$&@, so really there's nothing he could have done or eaten then which would make anything better NOW.

Shrug. Perhaps pizza was all he could stomach. I can sleep anywhere anytime and especially under stress--it's an escape.

I'm rambling...

The thing is everyone is different and unless you've been there it's hard to say, but I've surprised myself many times reacting differently to what I expected.

O/T I really envy your sleeping habits. My OH is exactly the same

 

[Allabouttrial]

Hi thank you for the add. I was a member for several years, but since then moved and have new isp, email addy etc. I had some items to add early on but they have since been answered already. Just so very tragic and sad.

Welcome back!

 

[Mrspratcher]

I get that his actions seemed flippant, but, really, what is the correct meal for that situation?

When horrible family tragedies have occurred with me, those close to me insisted I continued to eat and sleep and breathe.

I'm reminded of when my child was killed. If I was crying, the whispers were that I was "hysterical" or "guilt-ridden," all of which meant I was horrible and had done something to cause this tragedy. If I wasn't crying, then it was "she's so cold," "too stoic," all of which meant I was horrible and had done something to cause this tragedy. I wasn't horrible. I didn't cause any of it. I was an emotional, grieving, terrified, very young mother with a multitude of emotions. There are some situations that are "no win," and this was one for CW--he's an abhorrent #$&@, so really there's nothing he could have done or eaten then which would make anything better NOW.

Shrug. Perhaps pizza was all he could stomach. I can sleep anywhere anytime and especially under stress--it's an escape.

I'm rambling...

I’m so sorry for your loss.

You’re right, nothing he did could erase the fact he killed them.

However, if my daughter and husband were missing, I would not have the stomach to eat or sleep until I found them.

 

[cottonweaver]

I must have missed that link . Sounds very interesting. I watched the entire video interview twice.
All I can remember ( without the benefit of the link) is that they said he was concerned about how he was coming across in the media. Would like to read that link too.

I watched it just yesterday and totally missed it. What stood out to me was when they said they were trying to think of where SW may have gone and coming up with places to look etc and he told them no, or wasn't interested in following any leads or ideas they had.

Multi quoting..
I just watched it all through, all over again, for the third time to find it.
It is not what they said.

Do you recall which poster initially said this? I wasn't Mo, she just reiterated it

 

[Hazelnutty]

Welcome to new members . We're glad to have you.

 

[book-thinker]

Watched the video of CW playing santa, at their Fredrick colorado home. SW seemed to behind the whole (CW) playing santa and visiting Bella and Celeste that night. This event caused a extreme fear in both girls.Watching SW coercing
then basically putting Celest on (CW) santa lap, her small arms reaching out to SW to stop, this was just for a photo.
with santa. Belle seemed so sad, reminding me of a old soul in one so little. Celeste wanted nothing to do with what was
happened with santa. Also noticed no presents under the tree. Was this days before Xmas So sad to watch

 

[cottonweaver]

I tagged you above in the long video (p34) and added another one in of the Thayers talking about that stuff. They specifically mention him watching himself back on his phone, not just it coming on the TV.

It's not there, just ploughed thru the entire 30 mins again.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Watched the video of CW playing santa, at their Fredrick colorado home. SW seemed to behind the whole (CW) playing santa and visiting Bella and Celeste that night. This event caused a extreme fear in both girls.Watching SW coercing
then basically putting Celest on (CW) santa lap, her small arms reaching out to SW to stop, this was just for a photo.
with santa. Belle seemed so sad, reminding me of a old soul in one so little. Celeste wanted nothing to do with what was
happened with santa. Also noticed no presents under the tree. Was this days before Xmas So sad to watch

Yes that was live on christmas day.

 

[flourish]

I'm so sorry for your loss. In situations where I have been sick with worry - life or death -- I could not eat, sleep, shower, wash my hair or take care of myself. I wanted to die at the thought that the one I loved most in the world was missing. I literally lost my mind.

Yep we're all different. I had to be dragged from my bed on multiple occasions but I also ate pizza sometimes. I just can't see much into what CW did or didn't eat. He was staying with people--so he may not have even chosen the meal... In any case, if he'd refused food it would have been that he was putting on a show... At that point, everything he was doing was manipulative in some way, so I guess imI just missing the significance of some things.

 

[Bill Carson]

I think CW knew he was done when he was in the midst of the interview and heard the dogs barking (alerting) inside his home. The look on his face says it all. Starts 3:50

Also, in this video with news reporter CW says the canine dogs are getting scents to see where they went. I actually think CW thought the dogs were just there to get scents of the missing family but I believe the dogs were there for the scent of death and CW didn't realize that because he thought they were just there getting their scents to see where they went in what direction.

Do we know to what extent CW cooperated with LE on Tuesday? I know that in missing persons cases, LE always needs the cooperation of the significant others so that they can quickly rule them out as POI's. They often ask spouses and family members to take polygraph tests.

 

[Bill Carson]

And only one swimming pool--- the community pool! It doesn't look big enough for all of those people in the housing tract.

Very few backyard swimming pools in Colorado.

 

[flourish]

The thing is everyone is different and unless you've been there it's hard to say, but I've surprised myself many times reacting differently to what I expected.

O/T I really envy your sleeping habits. My OH is exactly the same

Exactly, everyone is different and it's hard to say, so why is CW eating pizza and sleeping sinister ON ITS OWN. It's not, imo. It's sinister because he's in jail charged with murder. Shrug. I'm belaboring for no reason lol.

Mr flourish does not appreciate my sleeping habits. Argh.

 

[SausagePizza]

Anybody want to take a guess on how long this CW trial will take?

 

[Shekkiec]

BBM
MJ laws in NC - Illegal
NC house - I have done some research regarding this house, it's financing and subsequent sale. All of this information is online at the public Gaston County property site.
Sales History

and the paperwork for financing and deeds, etc. https://deeds.co.gaston.nc.us/external/LandRecords/protected/v4/SrchName.aspx

Based on these documents, here is a summation of the transactions regarding her NC house.

11/30/2009 – Shanann Cathryn King, unmarried, Grantee, on Deed for purchase of house.
12/1/2009 – Purchase price stated as $334,500.00.
12/1/2009 – FHA Mortgage stated as $309,065.00 for 30 years.

IMO, this confirms that SW bought the house as a single woman and made a down payment of approximately $25K. She was the only person on this mortgage.

8/17/2012 – House was sold for $350,000.00. Conveyance of property was signed in Colorado.

Average FHA interest rate for November 2009 was 5.23%. Assuming that first payment was made on 1/1/2010, the balance would have been approximately $296,874 when she sold the house. Standard realtor fees are 6% in most states.

House sales price = $350,000.00
Mortgage balance = - 296,874.00
Realtor fees = - 21,000.00
Net profit = $ 32,126.00
Orig. down pay = - 25,435.00
Overall net profit = $ 6,691.00

IMO, it is unfortunate that SW did not realize the great profit that she anticipated. However, she did get her original investment back plus a small profit. At 27/28, this was an accomplishment.

Only flaw would be if her downpayment was less, if insurance and it HOA were added to mortgage and you are assuming all payments were made on time with no penalty . Depending on credit score interest will be higher on the loan as well. Sorry I have loan experience and IMO it’s not usually that clean . In NC every house must be inspected for termites. Some require flood inspection, if any damage is found that needs to be repaired a buyer can request seller repair before closing . you must prorate property tax during sale period and pay those. The closing cost could be buyer/seller or split . attorney fees power of attorney on documents SW probably paid not being in town . So IMO SW she probably took a small loss.

 

[book-thinker]

Yes that was live on christmas day.

So sad

 

[DexterMorgan]

Very few backyard swimming pools in Colorado.

And Alaska as well.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Exactly, everyone is different and it's hard to say, so why is CW eating pizza and sleeping sinister ON ITS OWN. It's not, imo. It's sinister because he's in jail charged with murder. Shrug. I'm belaboring for no reason lol.

Mr flourish does not appreciate my sleeping habits. Argh.

 

[Bill Carson]

BBM
MJ laws in NC - Illegal
NC house - I have done some research regarding this house, it's financing and subsequent sale. All of this information is online at the public Gaston County property site.
Sales History

and the paperwork for financing and deeds, etc. https://deeds.co.gaston.nc.us/external/LandRecords/protected/v4/SrchName.aspx

Based on these documents, here is a summation of the transactions regarding her NC house.

11/30/2009 – Shanann Cathryn King, unmarried, Grantee, on Deed for purchase of house.
12/1/2009 – Purchase price stated as $334,500.00.
12/1/2009 – FHA Mortgage stated as $309,065.00 for 30 years.

IMO, this confirms that SW bought the house as a single woman and made a down payment of approximately $25K. She was the only person on this mortgage.

8/17/2012 – House was sold for $350,000.00. Conveyance of property was signed in Colorado.

Average FHA interest rate for November 2009 was 5.23%. Assuming that first payment was made on 1/1/2010, the balance would have been approximately $296,874 when she sold the house. Standard realtor fees are 6% in most states.

House sales price = $350,000.00
Mortgage balance = - 296,874.00
Realtor fees = - 21,000.00
Net profit = $ 32,126.00
Orig. down pay = - 25,435.00
Overall net profit = $ 6,691.00

IMO, it is unfortunate that SW did not realize the great profit that she anticipated. However, she did get her original investment back plus a small profit. At 27/28, this was an accomplishment.

What would those monthly payments be? (Then you'd have to add PMI, insurance, and taxes.)

And I wonder what kind of income you would need to qualify for that mortgage in 2009.