Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #20

[MyBelle]

Watched the video of CW playing santa, at their Fredrick colorado home. SW seemed to behind the whole (CW) playing santa and visiting Bella and Celeste that night. This event caused a extreme fear in both girls.Watching SW coercing
then basically putting Celest on (CW) santa lap, her small arms reaching out to SW to stop, this was just for a photo.
with santa. Belle seemed so sad, reminding me of a old soul in one so little. Celeste wanted nothing to do with what was
happened with santa. Also noticed no presents under the tree. Was this days before Xmas So sad to watch

Bella looked as though didn't feel well in that video and it was obvious she wanted nothing to do with Santa. I truly don't understand the point of all the videos with crying children. I have a son with severe allergies and his first four years were filled with constant ear and sinus infections. Surgeries helped but it was exhausting and stressful on us as parents.

 

[cottonweaver]

In my opinion, it’s not rude or defamation if it is definition. Poster, in my opinion, posted what they called facts but made excuses not to answer questions to support the facts, or to be verified. This poster willing came here, stated they were willing to answer any questions, but only put a few seeds out and went away. My opinion.

were you on the thread live during the period can I ask?

 

[Deleted member 117120]

Do we know for sure it was LE dogs doing the barking or Dieter? He had been pretty upset earlier.

I linked the video previously that relates to the dogs alerting whilst CW was doing his interview. Here it is again. The dogs barking in the background is not Dieter the family's Dachshund dog.

 

[Bill Carson]

Bella looked as though didn't feel well in that video and it was obvious she wanted nothing to do with Santa. I truly don't understand the point of all the videos with crying children. I have a son with severe allergies and his first four years were filled with constant ear and sinus infections. Surgeries helped but it was exhausting and stressful on us as parents.

BBM.

That reminded me that Bella and Cece had had surgeries, IIRC. Was that for tubes in the ears?

 

[Ronso]

Do we know for sure it was LE dogs doing the barking or Dieter? He had been pretty upset earlier.

Never heard a Mini Dachshund with barks like those.

Definitely from larger dogs.

 

[Sleuthine]

Yes that was live on christmas day.

IIRC from SW FB pictures the kids did get many more presents for that Christmas, for example the little sofas. CW is also referring to them in one of the porch interviews I thought.

In this Christmas video it is dark outside, it is either early morning (but who would watch then?) Or perhaps was it Christmas Eve?

 

[compass]

were you on the thread live during the period can I ask?

Yes, And in my opinion, no one was rude. I thought a few posters were, umm, how shall I state it, too nice, but that’s just my feeling.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Not sure why SW would video Celeste struggling to get a cup of water and film her being stuck on the bathroom
countertop. What was SW reasoning of posting this video.

Reasoning in the title was she had left CeCe playing in the living room while she was making tea and 5 mins later she found her in the bathroom. "People wonder why I thrive"

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10154546062056935

 

[Seattle1]

Anybody want to take a guess on how long this CW trial will take?

If DP, about 8 weeks. Moo

 

[Hazelnutty]

I have a daughter that reminds me of Celeste . Wide open all the time at that age. Daredevil . Climber. So fast! Refused to slow down. Rarely walked, mostly ran. Just the opposite of her older, much more cautious & mild sister. She's in her 20's now, but when We're all together the conversation always goes to the things she did at that age.
If I'd had a cell phone with a camera I would have followed her and recorded every thing she got into to show her dad, grandparents , friends..... Just because.

Of course i'd eventually help her down off the vanity, but only after we discussed the other 58 times she'd done the same thing even tho I told her not to. Even tho she may have gotten hurt doing this before , she will do this again. And again.

It may not have been that the child was thirsty. It may have been that the child wanted to do something she wasn't supposed to. Walk by the bathroom and Voila! She sees: sink -Water--faucet- cup- climb = fun.

That doll !

 

[Allabouttrial]

I have a daughter that reminds me of Celeste . Wide open all the time at that age. Daredevil . Climber. So fast! Refused to slow down. Rarely walked, mostly ran. Just the opposite of her older, much more cautious & mild sister. She's in her 20's now, but when We're all together the conversation always goes to the things she did at that age.
If I'd had a cell phone with a camera I would have followed her and recorded every thing she got into to show her dad, grandparents , friends..... Just because.

Of course i'd eventually help her down off the vanity, but only after we discussed the other 58 times she'd done the same thing even tho I told her not to. Even tho she may have gotten hurt doing this before , she will do this again. And again.

It may not have been that the child was thirsty. It may have been that the child wanted to do something she wasn't supposed to. Walk by the bathroom and Voila! She sees: sink -Water--faucet- cup- climb = fun.

That doll !

I really regret not taking more videos and pictures of my kids when they were younger.

 

[Sleuthine]

I would appreciate your thoughts on this one, if you don't mind.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10154546062056935

That video is more normal to me than the other ones recently posted, probably also because it is much shorter. I am someome that is very reluctant of posting any pictures of my kids to SM, so am coming from a completely different angle than SW. But I might have filmed the same if one of my daughters did this and so had the phone handy, just for myself or perhaps grandparents in addition. It is kind of funny to me. However, I would have put the camera down much earlier and helped the child.

 

[Sleuthine]

IMO the birthday party was more likely on Sunday. <modsnipped unapproved facebook>

 

[compass]

deleted by me, duplicate

 

[Ginger_Hazel]

That video is more normal to me than the other ones recently posted, probably also because it is much shorter. I am someome that is very reluctant of posting any pictures of my kids to SM, so am coming from a completely different angle than SW. But I might have filmed the same if one of my daughters did this and so had the phone handy, just for myself or perhaps grandparents in addition. It is kind of funny to me. However, I would have put the camera down much earlier and helped the child.

Agreed. It doesn’t seem too out of line to me. Cece probably was always climbing and SW caught the moment. I was thankful that she didn’t make that video 10 min long like most of the other ones. It does appear that she helps her down. My middle child is a climber and an escape artist. Wish I had taken videos of her at her wildest!

 

[Sleuthine]

Duplicate reply

 

[Ginger_Hazel]

Whoops duplicate

 

[flourish]

It is the shaming tone that bothers me.

Lots of shaming going on in the family.

Here is an example of what would be more appropriate.
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Wow. Cece! You figured out how to get some water all by yourself! You are really thinking.

But now you are stuck. Can Mama help you get down?

Yep it was a teachable moment and there was a step stool right there. Look, honey, you pull this over and stand up..

 

[Shekkiec]

Its called memories. Its not like the baby was drowning in the toilet while she was recording it and putting it on YouTube like these other parents have been doing.

It seems like a thirsty child struggling for a drink and climbing on a dangerous surface and becoming stuck and scared IMO

 

[Inthedetails]

IMO the birthday party was more likely on Sunday. A couple of weeks back I looked on the host's FB and his kid actual birthday was on that Sunday.

Thanks for that info. So the kids had a babysitter on Saturday and then the birthday party on Sunday. Do I have that right?

jmo

 

[The Saint]

I would appreciate your thoughts on this one, if you don't mind.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10154546062056935

So now we know it was "Life Size Barbie" covered in the plastic Twister shroud.

If I came upon CeCe in this situation, I would be so afraid she was going to fall and hit her head on 3 places - the marble vanity top, toilet and tile floor.
That danger would outweigh my trying to teach her a lesson.

 

[Sleuthine]

This case is really haunting me. My kids even look a fair bit similar, younger one is also the wilder one. Pewww. I never thought I would post in a sleuthing forum but this case just doesn't let me go..

 

[MerryB]

Thanks for that info. So the kids had a babysitter on Saturday and then the birthday party on Sunday. Do I have that right?

jmo

That’s correct IMO.

 

[Allabouttrial]

So now we know it was "Life Size Barbie" covered in the plastic Twister shroud.
If I came upon CeCe in this situation, I would be so afraid she was going to fall and hit her head on 3 places - the marble vanity top, toilet and tile floor.
That danger would outweigh my trying to teach her a lesson.

I agree there were too many dangers in that situation to discount.

 

[esayer]

Why couldn't NAP have killed SW, too? And then CW says, "Now what are we going to do?" And NAP says, "We need to dispose of the bodies; I know just the place!..."

Yeah maybe NAP is still around...alive.

 

[gitana1]

I think for most of us it has nothing to do with gender roles. I would be equally disturbed if a man was squirting a young child in the face.

My mommy mantra was 'not in the face' when my kids played with squirt guns, nerf guns, etc. I wonder what a pediatrician would think.

My comments about the posts had zero to do with a poster stating that using a water gun to squirt a kid in the face is probably a bad idea. I'd agree with that sentiment.

 

[Ginger_Hazel]

WTH?
Deleted again and again. Sorry.

I think it’s the website acting up!

 

[Sillybilly]

26 posts removed due to discussing another member. After review, timeouts will be forthcoming.

This thread is closed.

Check back later tonite or tomorrow morning.

 

[Tricia]

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