Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #21

[Trinket78]

I would like to know who is responsible for the girl’s deaths and IMO I see CW as a main care giver . Especially with her trips out of town for lengthy periods with and without him and high demanding job which required her to do probably 50 plus hours devoted to it. That’s IMO why it was necessary for children to be in daycare , so she could work (as a lot of moms do) but with most pics and videos he is displayed as the dishwasher , lawnmower , cooking, feeding girls much more than her. She has stated “the girls are driving me nuts “ too many times to count on SM. She is very insultful to him in a lot of videos . Her family has stated she was “fiery” . IMO she would not have taken news of separation very well. Just as we have looked at CW she needs investigated for the girls murders as well since we have no confession .

You took the words out of my mouth!

 

[Inthedetails]

You can say your opinion. Mine are he was either digging her grave or with his AP

Oh, egad! I hadn't thought of that first option.

 

[Allabouttrial]

FWIW, my acquaintance who I suspect might have had this syndrome (yes, I am not qualified to diagnosis it, I know that) doctor shopped. All the time. My suspicions was when one doctor was questioning her, she got nervous and found a new one. The new one was always "fabulous," but there was a constant turn-over of new doctors.

Yes, I'm fully aware this doesn't mean SW had the syndrome and I'm fully aware we cannot possibly diagnose it by the videos. We all know kids and adults get sick and that doesn't mean anything except kids and adults get sick!! But we haven't really talked about health all that much and it is an avenue, imo, to explore. Chronic health issues are a stress on the family, real, imagined, or both.

But....people have called it ridiculous and flimsy so what's the point of pursuing something new, even if the something new doesn't pan out. We can talk about oil containers more.

jmo

I saw a comment made on one of the girls pic. on her FB and paraphrasing it went something to the effect of - she was so glad that the girls new doctor listens.

 

[Thepoet]

To follow up on my earlier post about perspective - things we know about SW and the girls;

SW was a fighter. She fought to have a family risking her health and maybe her life to have children. Think about that; she took risks to have children!

SW fought to be healthy and strong. She did not let her health problems impede her.

SW fought to be successful with a business and not only that, she endeared herself to the people she did business with.

There is no evidence that SW ever cheated.
(by his own admissions, CW is a cheater)

There is no evidence that she ever lied (big lies, not white lies).
(by his own admissions, CW is a liar)

SW, until proven otherwise with evidence, is a victim. (by his own admissions, CW is a killer)

CiCi and Bella are innocents, undeserving of all that's happened.

 

[Trinket78]

Not sure if you've seen this, but this is "MeMe" CW's mum arriving for a visit.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10154237297441935

Remember there IS always another side.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

BBM.

I'm not so sure. Think about if the roles were reversed. Would a woman who was being criticized or poked fun of all the time by a man be assumed that if she didn't like it she would merely get it to stop? That she was only having it done b/c she was allowing it? I think there can be a lot of psychological stuff going on with people and I think most women are given the benefit of the doubt if they are the target- that they can feel trapped in those situations and don't know how to get out. Anyway, just another way to look at it...

I think it's harder to see men as victims of domestic violence but it does happen and maybe more often than we think.

 

[margarita25]

You are right BUT he didn’t say he killed his kids.

Respectfully, killing the mother of his baby IS killing one of his kids.

That kid’s name was Nico as you know.

As for Bella and CeCe, yes he has not admitted to killing them.

Just Shanann and Nico. (That’s all.)

(I’m honestly not trying to sound snarky here, believe it or not.)

So he has already proven imo that he is capable of putting to end the life of a young one.

 

[MerryB]

The lemon merigune ones do. Clearly stated on the packaging. The other three flavours appear not to contain nuts.

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but if the allergy was to tree nuts (as stated on her SM), aren’t peanuts legumes?

 

[cshea99]

He was the cheater, not her. He was the liar about where his kids were, not her. He was the one who dumped his babies in oil, not her.
And we are discussing how she spoke to him?

Yes, we are. It also seems like you have a problem with it.

 

[MerryB]

I think it's harder to see men as victims of domestic violence but it does happen and maybe more often than we think.

This is a good question for @Trinket78
Trinket, in your opinion, was CW abused by SW? If so, how? Thank you.

 

[MsBetsy]

FWIW, my acquaintance who I suspect might have had this syndrome (yes, I am not qualified to diagnosis it, I know that) doctor shopped. All the time. My suspicions was when one doctor was questioning her, she got nervous and found a new one. The new one was always "fabulous," but there was a constant turn-over of new doctors.

Yes, I'm fully aware this doesn't mean SW had the syndrome and I'm fully aware we cannot possibly diagnose it by the videos. We all know kids and adults get sick and that doesn't mean anything except kids and adults get sick!! But we haven't really talked about health all that much and it is an avenue, imo, to explore. Chronic health issues are a stress on the family, real, imagined, or both.

But....people have called it ridiculous and flimsy so what's the point of pursuing something new, even if the something new doesn't pan out. We can talk about oil containers more.

jmo

Sometimes people who show symptoms of hypochochondrias take their children to the Dr. more times than necessary. That combined with the tendency towards perfectionism, as she describes herself on her video, could be a factor. Two cases I have seen with people with Munchausen by proxy involved smearing a child's mouth and nose with menstrual blood, and feeding the child salt. That's why I said I think a Dr. would be the first to notice something like that. If there were legitimate reasons to bring the child to the Dr. they wouldn't have suspected anything unusual is all I'm trying to say. Jmo

 

[Gardenista]

You took the words out of my mouth!

Makes no sense since Shanann was the one taking the videos.

 

[Trinket78]

@Trinket78 - thank you again for your insight.

Can you expand a little more on why you thought “what has she done” when you first heard SW and the girls were missing?

Also - you mentioned something about CW not being the narcissist. I read that to mean that you possibly thought You had seen those traits in SW. Could you explain?

Thank you

Yes when I first heard of them
Missing that was my thought. I thought she took the kids to punish him. That was my thought. I could write a book about the second question.

 

[MJPeony]

I think it's harder to see men as victims of domestic violence but it does happen and maybe more often than we think.

And I'm not even implying criticism and poking fun at one's spouse is domestic violence- (could be in some cases sure), but at the very least it can be tearing a person down emotionally and IMO it's not always fair to say the person could just prevent if they wanted.

 

[Shekkiec]

Exactly. In addition to any other evidence that may have been collected by LE that shows CW was the perpetrator of all three murders, the fact that he transported all three victims and hid them is proof that this crime was an act of "instrumental" deadly violence committed by CW against all three victims. JMO.

"Instrumental" deadly violence means the victims were killed to achieve some kind of gain. CW had a lot to gain financially by killing all three. If he had gotten away with, he would get whatever equity is in the house, all of the marital personal property, and any money in checking and savings, PLUS, no alimony or child support.

In addition to removing and hiding the bodies, he gave media interviews in which he lied repeatedly and had moments where he chuckled and smiled. He lied to LE, until confronted with proof of the bed sheet and clandestine grave, and then he "owned" up to strangling SW but said it was in a fit of rage because SW strangled the little girls after he told her he wanted a separation.

JMO, projection much by CW toward SW about the issue of "separation"? Studies show the intimate partner in a a domestically violent relationship is at high risk of being murdered by her partner. Her children are also sometimes murdered, in revenge against her, even if her children are also the perpetrator's biological children. The children are killed as an act of revenge.

Domestic violence often goes unreported to LE. It can include being abused emotionally. Emotional abuse can also be covert.

I've searched and I have not found any studies based on data from cases where the wife murdered her children right after being told by her husband he wanted to separate. If there's a study based on data out there, I'd love to see it. JMO.

JMO. SW had nothing to gain by killing her daughters. In order to believe CW's story, JMO, one must allow themselves to buy into a mindset that existed years ago. That mindset is that women are desperate and emotional creatures and as thus, are weaker than men. To me, CW's "story" is akin to a saying that originated in a 1697 English play:

"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned"

Which has been interpreted to essentially mean that a woman who is rejected by a man is inclined to become vicious when seeking revenge.

All JMO

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But would it not be sexist to assume CW was the one abused. I believe that . She shows no sign of any one abused . She calls herself the dominate one , she insults him , no one being abused would do that. (I have been physically abused and there would be hell to pay if I said snide comments about him. And if he was the victim then she would murder kids

Exactly. In addition to any other evidence that may have been collected by LE that shows CW was the perpetrator of all three murders, the fact that he transported all three victims and hid them is proof that this crime was an act of "instrumental" deadly violence committed by CW against all three victims. JMO.

"Instrumental" deadly violence means the victims were killed to achieve some kind of gain. CW had a lot to gain financially by killing all three. If he had gotten away with, he would get whatever equity is in the house, all of the marital personal property, and any money in checking and savings, PLUS, no alimony or child support.

In addition to removing and hiding the bodies, he gave media interviews in which he lied repeatedly and had moments where he chuckled and smiled. He lied to LE, until confronted with proof of the bed sheet and clandestine grave, and then he "owned" up to strangling SW but said it was in a fit of rage because SW strangled the little girls after he told her he wanted a separation.

JMO, projection much by CW toward SW about the issue of "separation"? Studies show the intimate partner in a a domestically violent relationship is at high risk of being murdered by her partner when she attempts to separate from him. Her children are also sometimes murdered, in revenge against her, even if her children are also the perpetrator's biological children.

Domestic violence often goes unreported to LE. It can include being abused emotionally. Emotional abuse can also be covert.

I've searched and I have not found any studies based on data from cases where the wife murdered her children right after being told by her husband he wanted to separate. If there's a study based on data out there, I'd love to see it. JMO.

JMO. SW had nothing to gain by killing her daughters. In order to believe CW's story, JMO, one must allow themselves to buy into a mindset that existed years ago. That mindset is that women are desperate and emotional creatures who cannot survive without a man. To me, CW's "story" is akin to a saying that originated in a 1697 English play and was in rather frequent use until a few years ago:

"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned"

The general interpretation of this saying is that a woman who is rejected by a man is inclined to become vicious when seeking revenge.

All JMO

i

Mom who killed kids hours after husband filed for divorce is sentenced to 120 years

 

[Amandaaa]

Yes when I first heard of them
Missing that was my thought. I thought she took the kids to punish him. That was my thought. I could write a book about the second question.

Thank you for responding.

Why would you think she was punishing him? Had she acted this way before?

 

[katydid23]

Having watched a few of her videos I've noticed when the girls are upset in the background she seems to not react very much or if at all. Don't get me wrong we can all tune out every now and again to kids whining, dogs barking etc. but it happened quite frequently. I was just wondering if you would feel that was a cause for concern or not? If you don't mind me asking that is.

She kind of reminds me of 'me.' I don't get visibly upset when my precious 3 yr old grand baby whines and cries. I love her with all my heart. But when she is crying and upset, it is usually because the cat won't eat dry dog food from her hand, or because I won't let her climb up on the bookshelf to get something her parents stashed to keep her from breaking it. So I just tend to give her a blank stare and try to change the subject.

If she falls and is hurt or she misses her mom and dad, then I respond compassionately. But if she is mad because the cat keeps running and hiding from her, not so much.

I really don't understand all the negativity and sharp criticism of her mothering skills. I see nothing that tells me she brutally strangled her babies that night.

 

[Madison418]

BBM.

I'm not so sure. Think about if the roles were reversed. Would a woman who was being criticized or poked fun of all the time by a man be assumed that if she didn't like it she would merely get it to stop? That she was only having it done b/c she was allowing it? I think there can be a lot of psychological stuff going on with people and I think most women are given the benefit of the doubt if they are the target- that they can feel trapped in those situations and don't know how to get out. Anyway, just another way to look at it...

Understood but certainly he had other options if he felt bullied or mistreated than murder

 

[molly1255]

My opinion is that if he was concerned about animals, it was because he thought they’d give away the location of the bodies. I don’t think it was symbolic, but practical.

The fact they had even been transported by him to that site shows he was trying to hide a crime that he committed. JMO.

 

[Shekkiec]

But would it not be sexist to assume CW was the one abused. I believe that . She shows no sign of any one abused . She calls herself the dominate one , she insults him , no one being abused would do that. (I have been physically abused and there would be hell to pay if I said snide comments abou

Mom who killed kids hours after husband filed for divorce is sentenced to 120 years

https://nypost.com/2017/08/11/mom-l...e-killing-kids-estranged-husbands-girlfriend/