Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #21

[Trinket78]

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I know someone who seems to make things up about her children's illnesses. She is always in the hospital with them. However, the doctors always find something to be wrong so maybe they are just sickly. However, she has told me that her bf/children's father has indicated to her that he thinks she makes it u


This could also be referenced in the "he has no game" comment. Perhaps his infidelity bruised her ego and angered her.

very likely

 

[MJPeony]

In regards to SW possibly having killed the girls, what's everyone's thoughts on why she would have done that? Is it because he may have told her he wanted a divorce/loved someone else so she went to the girls and killed them to punish him because she knew how much he loved them? Like maybe he told her, then he went downstairs and she was thinking "Well I'll show him" ? And what was her plan afterwards? Blame the murders on CW? Kill herself and/or CW?

I'm sure you're all aware I believe CW killed them all but I'm honestly not being snarky asking this, I really do want to hear people's thoughts about it. I'm having a very hard time making that leap but I'm willing to hear the reasons others believe it could have happened that way. I haven't seen a lot of theories on this other than some believe its possible he's telling the truth.

I don't think people feel comfortable speculating on any of that based on the feedback of the past few days!

 

[cottonweaver]

LOL! Great response. Bravo.

Don't most of us engage in banter & teasing with our OHs though?
Time and a place, still applies though.

imagine most of us wld think amongst close friends and family, that would be ok. It's all about trust and subtle rules.

 

[NuttMegg]

We have seen no reason to believe anything he says. In fact we have watched him lie on video about what happened to his entire family.

And we don't know what he told the cops before he spoke with his father. IIRC the charging document said that CW was GOING TO TELL THE TRUTH after he spoke with his father. So, what did he say to the cops in the first place?

 

[Thepoet]

I don't have an issue with most of that but just on BIB I thought it was fine for lupus sufferers to have kids. They just ensure that they are screened or non active during conception to avoid the complications.

I have read, more than once, that SW's pregnancies were high risk. I have a family member with Lupus and her Doctor told her that she was lucky it occurred after she had children as it could have caused problems for her.

 

[Shekkiec]

LOL! Great response. Bravo.

I never heard CW tease back .

 

[Trinket78]

Good natured would be a mutual laughing not making someone feel the need to buy new clothes. It seems very much she felt superior IMO and goes on line with “ he has no game “ comment SW made.

It hurt my feeling for him to hear this over and over again. Think if a man said that to a women.

 

[MerryB]

He was verbally abused from the beginning. I remember meeting them and she told anyone who would listen she couldn’t believe she went on a date with him because of the way he was dressed. He looked like a “skater boy”... she almost didn’t continue the date because of that. All this was said in front of him. He had new clothes shortly after.

Thank you for taking the time to answer. I’m wondering if there was any physical abuse you were aware of.

 

[Natusry]

Even if she was all of these things: controlling, attention hungry, condescending, verbally abusive and it resulted in volatile and dysfunctional relationships and was she was responsible for their deaths as he claims, it still doesn’t explain why he didn’t call 911 and/or try to save his daughter’s lives. I don’t care how insecure he might be after years in that marriage, he would still have the natural paternal response to save them.
I will never get past that.

 

[nwmouse]

Good natured would be a mutual laughing not making someone feel the need to buy new clothes. It seems very much she felt superior IMO and goes on line with “ he has no game “ comment SW made.

Agree. Her comments were hurtful.

 

[Colorado303]

It's a good thing we have these videos to analyze after the fact, because her doctors and the girls' doctors may have never noticed or diagnosed the Munchhausen by proxy.

And just like that, BOOM, she has MBP. If someone murders me and they aren’t ever going to hurt anyone else I’m beginning to think I’d rather just let them get away with it.

 

[NuttMegg]

Good natured would be a mutual laughing not making someone feel the need to buy new clothes. It seems very much she felt superior IMO and goes on line with “ he has no game “ comment SW made.

We only heard part of the interaction from Trinket78, we didn't hear how he reacted.

 

[tmar]

What info can you say on what they were like in real life?

Going through many past family videos of playful games, is insufficient to form opinions about
'real life' between the couple.
It appears SW is directing play, she is holding the camera, wanting to produce something she can use.
She is the 'director' in these videos, as probably her idea to record.
CW perhaps is not interested, in directing and so joins in, as instructed.

 

[Kensie]

Darn, I have to leave and will not be back until around 8:00 pm. No telling what thread will be current at that time.
I personally do not put any stock in the videos. Most of them were way too long for me to watch - since I do not know these people. They kind of annoy me anyway. Why posts them to the world and I know people do that.

Looking forward to reading Trinket's responses.

Until we meet again!!

 

[Shekkiec]

We only heard part of the interaction from Trinket78, we didn't hear how he reacted.

Sorry I assumed the reaction was he bought new clothes after that

 

[ZsaZsa]

Remember there IS always another side.

Not necessarily. In murder there is murderer and victim (s).
Nothing about their interpersonal relationship provides justification or "another side".

 

[book-thinker]

Understanding the dynamics of passive aggressive, I wonder if possibly this would have a factor in the deaths.
Going over the edge for someone, who seemed to go with the flow of things.

 

[Thepoet]

Don't most of us engage in banter & teasing with our OHs though?
Time and a place, still applies though.

imagine most of us wld think amongst close friends and family, that would be ok. It's all about trust and subtle rules.

Human behavior is a funny thing and boundaries are a shifting thing. Things can be acceptable, or not depending on time, place, those present, etc. I had a date comment that I was too loud (I tend to be, but not on purpose) and called me; foghorn. This was a second date and with friends. Her friend thought it was funny, my friend thought it was rude. We dated for about two years and then drifted apart.

 

[NuttMegg]

Watching the trend in these posts alone I’m a lot less convinced he’ll be convicted of the girl’s murders than I was in the beginning. Unless there’s compelling forensic evidence (time of death differences, proof of premeditation like google searches, etc). there’s enough reasonable doubt drummed up just by our conversations and sleuthing to sway some jurors. Imagine what a defense attorney with access to evidence and full time staff could do. What’s max sentence for murder in the second and tampering with bodies?

I wonder if they would throw in not giving the children CPR, killing the fetus, not alerting 911 or EMS, and saying that he saw a blue child on a BW baby monitor. A jury won't go give him the benefit of the doubt in this case (IMO), whereas they might have if he had bothered to have professionals check to see if the 3 people were still alive and could have received help.

 

[nwmouse]

Sorry I assumed the reaction was he bought new clothes after that

That's what I thought as well.