Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #21

[Thepoet]

To be honest, I'm much more concerned with the faces he put on (smug, uncaring, happy, etc.) during the interviews, and the behavior he put on(posturing, preening (for reporter), false concern, etc.) during the interviews, than I am with his clothes. With the clothes; it was a first date and nervous first date behavior and impressions. With the interviews; four human beings were dead and he knew it, but lied! And he knew he was a killer (we don't know how many he killed, but I think we will find out!) That was then, this is now!

 

[molly1255]

AndI didn't say I thought he was observing a religion, either, I said some religions don't believe in some forms of after death internment and the point was we don't know what CW was thinking when he put them in there---it COULD HAVE been a symbolic burial or protection or whatever he was thinking. His choice of disposal doesn't prove he's a family annihilator. So twisty!

I would love to hear a plausible explanation of why CW removed the bodies from the home.

 

[Asevario]

So apparently Nick Van Der Leek has tweeted out book 1 of a new book series. "Two Faced, the man underneath CW", is available on Amazon. Cost is $3.99 or free to Kindle Unlimited users. I read the sample which was very enlightening. Things like, the dogs heard barking during CW interview were actually cadaver dogs (unbeknownst to CW), not just search dogs. The dogs are trained to detect human death. This explains how things played out so quickly, prompting the arrest of CW.

Delete if not allowed...

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07H8NJFC4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_IoxMBbGMXS2Q4

I read the sample and it seems there are unconfirmed things in it. I have only seen in one other place (a FB "friend" from one of her fibro support groups) say that she was a nurse. In all of the videos i've seen SW says she never finished college, how can you be a nurse without a college degree? It seems he is merely speculating as well, and not stating fact.

 

[flourish]

Has anyone said that though MG?
I'm reading Nutmegg's post and I can't find it "scenario of C.W. giving the kids what he thought was a “proper burial.”

I suggested that his putting them there could have been a symbolic burial. II mentioned my family culture and religion considered cremation to be wrong, as a way of pointing out people see different meanings in things.

 

[Bill Carson]

@Trinket78 have you spoken with CW, before or after he was arrested?

But remember, Trinket, you don't have to answer questions that would betray your identity.

 

[WildWest]

Sometimes people who show symptoms of hypochochondrias take their children to the Dr. more times than necessary. That combined with the tendency towards perfectionism, as she describes herself on her video, could be a factor. Two cases I have seen with people with Munchausen by proxy involved smearing a child's mouth and nose with menstrual blood, and feeding the child salt. That's why I said I think a Dr. would be the first to notice something like that. If there were legitimate reasons to bring the child to the Dr. they wouldn't have suspected anything unusual is all I'm trying to say. Jmo

I appreciate your insight, thanks for sharing

 

[Trinket78]

I cannot figure out how to reply to specific posts/quote them in a box the way you all do, but I want to ask Trinket about the TV interviews CW gave. How is it that knowing his wife and children were dead he did not seem to have any emotion or sadness at all? He was able to smile and laugh and not shed a single tear or say anything specific about his children, children he knew were dead. Does this not give you pause? Thanks for being here.

I’ll do my best to answer this. I can see where the masses view is what you said. It’s only because I know him I didn’t see that. I saw fear and nervousness. I saw someone who was trying to keep it together. He meant what he said. He wanted his family back. It was a nightmare staying in that house that night. It’s easy for me to have this view because I know his mannerisms. No need for anyone to jump on me for this. This is only how I saw it.

 

[nwmouse]

I would love to hear a plausible explanation of why CW removed the bodies from the home.

We'll probably have to wait for the trial to ascertain this.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Also, and this is just my opinion: the videos make me uncomfortable. It does seem that there was a teasing of the kids that SW saw as loving and affectionate, the same way she (according to Trinket78) teased CW. To force a child to get whipped cream in her face when she continually expresses that she does not want this, even hiding under a chair, is not something that is okay in my world. But it is a different parenting style, not a crime. What struck me as even more odd was CW's utter inability to truly engage with his kids. He does what she says and says "nice. nice. nice." He is not spontaneous or playful or connected. He may freeze up on camera, he may be an extremely inarticulate man, or he may be someone who was going through the motions and already checked out in certain ways. OR he was going along with something he hated. All MOO.

It's so hard to say from the videos. Who knows maybe he was engaged with his kids when his wife wasn't around to belittle him or without the camera rolling. I don't know, like I said it's hard to say, but something to think about.

 

[MassGuy]

I suggested that his putting them there could have been a symbolic burial. II mentioned my family culture and religion considered cremation to be wrong, as a way of pointing out people see different meanings in things. Apparently that means I'm open for disparagement.

I was attacking the theory, not the poster. I want my theories to be picked apart in order to see if they hold up or not. It’s the reason that I love WS, as I can look at other people’s theories and thoughts, and develop my own.

 

[Thepoet]

I was gone for around 8 hours and returned to what feels like a totally different board.

SW having MBP or Munchausen Syndrome is based on what, precisely? I realize we are not meant to bring social media rumors to the group but that is exactly where that "idea" came from-it originated from a troll trying to stir up trouble in a FB group this morning, spawned more than 1k responses, and has now made its way here.

Is it based on the idea that she had multiple illnesses? Lupus is a cluster disease, meaning that it is often a co-morbidity to other medical conditions. People almost never "just" have Lupus. It often goes hand-in-hand with other illnesses.

I just spent 8 hours in the ER where I was given treatment for pneumonia and a slipped disc causing sciatica. I am frequently ill, which is something that happens when you have a poor immune system, something that is common with autoimmune disorders like Lupus. The fact that she had other conditions, like Fibro, doesn't surprise me. In fact, in my experience, people rarely have just one disorder with Lupus.

Excellent post. Bravo! You are correct, it does feel like a different board and I've been fighting the rumors, innuendo, etc, since this morning. What you said about Lupus is all true and well said. Yes, my family member does have several ailments, besides Lupus and does get sick more often than normal.

I hope you're feeling better. Please take good care of yourself. And I'm sorry you had to arrive into the middle of today's madness here. LOL!

 

[Charlot123]

One of mine had constant ear infections, and they’re frightening. He ran high fevers, felt like a hot potato, and screamed nonstop from the earache pain. You’ve got to get them to the doctor and on antibiotics as quickly as you can before their eardrum bursts because that can cause permanent hearing loss. It is serious, and they can tell by looking into the ear that it’s infected. I don’t think SW could fake that or cause that. I was told his ear canal was small and he’d grow out of it, and he did.

I don't believe that she faked them, or any of her kids' illnesses. I think she was easily overwhelmed because there was only 1 year between her kids, and she was type A. Overspending might be symptomatic, like overusing social media, but I don't think she was intentionally cruel to her kids or causing any illnesses.

I think if you put yourself in the shoes of a mom who had two kids in two years, and maybe had to give her shots of anticoagulant daily during pregnancies (I am not sure but not uncommon for women with lupus-anticoagulant), the stress, and the behavior is all too understandable.

 

[nwmouse]

I’ll do my best to answer this. I can see where the masses view is what you said. It’s only because I know him I didn’t see that. I saw fear and nervousness. I saw someone who was trying to keep it together. He meant what he said. He wanted his family back. It was a nightmare staying in that house that night. It’s easy for me to have this view because I know his mannerisms. No need for anyone to jump on me for this. This is only how I saw it.

Thank you for posting this Trinket. I can feel your pain and shock and I *HOPE* nobody jumps on you for sharing your insight. I must admit that after watching the videos again I pick up on his "fear/anxiety" vibe as well.

 

[katydid23]

I saw a comment made on one of the girls pic. on her FB and paraphrasing it went something to the effect of - she was so glad that the girls new doctor listens.

Is that a bad thing?

 

[whisperOFwings]

You are right BUT he didn’t say he killed his kids.

True, he didn't... but murderers rarely do

 

[Thepoet]

I asked the question long ago on the board, re whether or not he had to go through that arch, and ranch buildings to get to the cervil site. That couple posted a video of looking for (and finding) the tanks far away, but they didn't seem to go through the cervil arch. So I don't know IF he had to go through that arch and by the buildings in that one video, but IF HE DID there may have been certain hours that would be offbounds. I still think it's weird that he went to that particular tank farm when it was daylight (per AB). Of course that doesn't refer to what you are saying about activity in his neighborhood at weird hours.

It's an excellent response. Thanks. Interesting thought about "certain hours". I wonder if the ranch has a special entrance for Anadarko workers? Separate gate/key/code? It's possible.

 

[medea13]

TY for the link but that was VERY disturbing

completely respectfully disagree on this one. IMO it looks like a 'game' between bella and her mommy...like a game they have played before and both enjoy playing their parts...in fact I believe SW when she says 'i love her laugh' . Almost like when a parent that tickles their child and even though the child says stop stop they are laughing and enjoying the back and forth. To me it shows that they spent lots of time together and loved each other (SW and the girls). Would love to hear what is 'disturbing'? maybe i am missing something?

Conversely - IMO the xmas video is different. Darker. The kids (especially poor bella) seem shamed and forced to try to participate in something they clearly have NO desire to experience. There is no laughter...only crying...and i agree with previous posts (too many to name) that wonder WHY this was posted? i mean it's one thing to stream it....or take the video...another thing to post it. and keep it. ALL JUST MOO.

 

[flourish]

Ummmmkay

I was attacking the theory, not the poster. I want my theories to be picked apart in order to see if they hold up or not. It’s the reason that I love WS, as I can look at other people’s theories and thoughts, and develop my own.

Haaaa, I agree. Spinning the dumping of the bodies in oil, into some scenario of C.W. giving the kids what he thought was a “proper burial,” is a stretch. It would be hilarious, if not for the grim reality here.

 

[MerryB]

I read the sample and it seems there are unconfirmed things in it. I have only seen in one other place (a FB "friend" from one of her fibro support groups) say that she was a nurse. In all of the videos i've seen SW says she never finished college, how can you be a nurse without a college degree? It seems he is merely speculating as well, and not stating fact.

You are correct. SW was not a nurse. She briefly attended Queens College during her first marriage, but did not finish. She seemed to have had an interest in medicine and later worked at a hospital’s call center.

 

[Thepoet]

I'm not uncomfortable at all! CW repeatedly lied to LE and he lied repeatedly in every one of his media interviews. What was that all about? It was about trying to avoid facing consequences.

After being confronted with evidence by LE of SW's shallow grave and the bed sheet from their home that was discovered at the very place he went to after he left the house that morning, CW states he'll tell the truth after he talks to his Dad.

He then comes back and says the truth is SW strangled the girls and he went into a rage and strangled SW. Which is an attempt to avoid facing consequences for three first degree murder charges, with deliberation, which could land him on death row or with multiple life sentences.

JMO.

Excellent! Bravo! Very well said!