Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #21

[Thepoet]

Really good question. I especially want to know what he said, if anything, while he was lying about what happened.

Oh you're so bad, but in a good way. Thanks!

 

[Allabouttrial]

Is that a bad thing?

I must apologise as that post was some time ago. Can you please remind me what comment I was responding to?

 

[JerseyWasHome2]

I’ll do my best to answer this. I can see where the masses view is what you said. It’s only because I know him I didn’t see that. I saw fear and nervousness. I saw someone who was trying to keep it together. He meant what he said. He wanted his family back. It was a nightmare staying in that house that night. It’s easy for me to have this view because I know his mannerisms. No need for anyone to jump on me for this. This is only how I saw it.

Thanks for that honest opinion, Trinket78. I saw one "expert" weigh in on his speeches, mannerisms, etc., and she said one has to be extremely careful analyzing one or two of those without having countless videos or in-person experiences with same person to compare to. The folded arms? I don't know what to do with my hands or arms even when talking to a neighbor. You don't just hang them at your sides. So there are pockets or I will cross mine, or else I'm grateful if I'm holding something like the mail. If he had his hands on his hips we'd say he was defiant. I am very introverted and the public would slaughter me in a case like this, even if I was giving a public speech on how much I love my pets - I just don't do public speaking. People also laugh when nervous, even crack jokes. I also noticed it seemed like the camera crew and interviewers were pretty far away from him. Maybe that was intentional on their part. Let's isolate him, make him feel like he's off there on the porch by himself, not part of a conversation. That said, no, I am not in any way supporting CW 100% - just trying to be open minded, and of course, the whole aspect of him lying repeatedly and hiding the bodies, etc., is horrific. Just - dial - 911. Oh what a tangled web they wove, comes to mind.

 

[cshea99]

I’ll do my best to answer this. I can see where the masses view is what you said. It’s only because I know him I didn’t see that. I saw fear and nervousness. I saw someone who was trying to keep it together. He meant what he said. He wanted his family back. It was a nightmare staying in that house that night. It’s easy for me to have this view because I know his mannerisms. No need for anyone to jump on me for this. This is only how I saw it.

Do you know why he left his job at the dealership for the oil company?

Can you describe CW personality? Introvert, people pleaser, quiet, shy, etc

 

[BelleIsle]

I completely agree with all of that and said similar thoughts in thread 20 about him not being engaged and repeating the “nice nice nice”. He definitely seemed to be going through the motions.

My DH found CW's behavior to be very odd. More so than I did. It was eye-opening. If anyone here has an introverted, type B husband or close male friend/relative, have them watch the videos, ask them what they see.

 

[katydid23]

I must apologise as that post was some time ago. Can you please remind me what comment I was responding to?

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"I saw a comment made on one of the girls pic. on her FB and paraphrasing it went something to the effect of - she was so glad that the girls new doctor listens."


I am wondering if it is a bad thing that she switched to a doctor that was listening to her concerns. I'd think that was a pretty good thing for a mother to do.

We have followed cases on here of children whose mothers abused them with munchasuun syndrome actions. The kids were usually 'invalids' and unable to attend school or to play with friends because of their disabling illnesses. I see none of that here.

 

[BelleIsle]

And then we come back to his expressions, behavior, and (almost) glee during the interviews.

For sure he didn't view himself as others do. Why do the interviews if you know you're such a goof that you can't even keep a straight face? Whoops.

 

[NuttMegg]

Thanks for that honest opinion, Trinket78. I saw one "expert" weigh in on his speeches, mannerisms, etc., and she said one has to be extremely careful analyzing one or two of those without having countless videos or in-person experiences with same person to compare to. The folded arms? I don't know what to do with my hands or arms even when talking to a neighbor. You don't just hang them at your sides. So there are pockets or I will cross mine, or else I'm grateful if I'm holding something like the mail. If he had his hands on his hips we'd say he was defiant. I am very introverted and the public would slaughter me in a case like this, even if I was giving a public speech on how much I love my pets - I just don't do public speaking. People also laugh when nervous, even crack jokes. I also noticed it seemed like the camera crew and interviewers were pretty far away from him. Maybe that was intentional on their part. Let's isolate him, make him feel like he's off there on the porch by himself, not part of a conversation. That said, no, I am not in any way supporting CW 100% - just trying to be open minded, and of course, the whole aspect of him lying repeatedly and hiding the bodies, etc., is horrific. Just - dial - 911. Oh what a tangled web they wove, comes to mind.

We're all pretty much going to judge another person's truthfulness on a video compared to what mannerisms we've seen and judged.....In saying that I myself would have been a basketcase, I would have been pleading with the media to give out descriptions,photos, to help get a message out, I would have been in tears. I would not have been smiling and joking, but hey, the old saying goes but that's just me.

 

[Thepoet]

I’ll do my best to answer this. I can see where the masses view is what you said. It’s only because I know him I didn’t see that. I saw fear and nervousness. I saw someone who was trying to keep it together. He meant what he said. He wanted his family back. It was a nightmare staying in that house that night. It’s easy for me to have this view because I know his mannerisms. No need for anyone to jump on me for this. This is only how I saw it.

First, I'm not jumping you, just seeking clarification. Please. You said; "He meant what he said. He wanted his family back." But, his family was dead and he knew it, knew they weren't coming back. Why not tell the truth, especially then? It was a nightmare staying in that house that night? Then why didn't he contact the police and tell them what happened? How do you explain the smiling, the preening for the reporter, the smug look of knowing something we don't know? I'm truly interested in your response.

 

[katydid23]

I’ll do my best to answer this. I can see where the masses view is what you said. It’s only because I know him I didn’t see that. I saw fear and nervousness. I saw someone who was trying to keep it together. He meant what he said. He wanted his family back. It was a nightmare staying in that house that night. It’s easy for me to have this view because I know his mannerisms. No need for anyone to jump on me for this. This is only how I saw it.

My problem with it is that he seemed to be doing way too good of a job 'keeping it together.'

Why did he smile so big and act so upbeat about his tarheels shirt? If he truly watched his babyies die at the hands of his wife, and he was then emotional enough to kill her and his unborn son, how was he able to keep it together as well as he did?

I am not trying to jump on you, I am just trying to understand his psyche. How could he go through such a devastating loss, then go to work the next morning and do what he did, then act like it was all OK?

 

[MsBetsy]

I cannot figure out how to reply to specific posts/quote them in a box the way you all do, but I want to ask Trinket about the TV interviews CW gave. How is it that knowing his wife and children were dead he did not seem to have any emotion or sadness at all? He was able to smile and laugh and not shed a single tear or say anything specific about his children, children he knew were dead. Does this not give you pause? Thanks for being here.

I think that gives us all pause. It takes a certain type of individual to lie so easily and deceitfully. Although honestly I think there were many things that pointed to the fact that he was lying. I'm sure most people saw through that. Jmo

 

[Allabouttrial]

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"I saw a comment made on one of the girls pic. on her FB and paraphrasing it went something to the effect of - she was so glad that the girls new doctor listens."


I am wondering if it is a bad thing that she switched to a doctor that was listening to her concerns. I'd think that was a pretty good thing for a mother to do.

We have followed cases on here of children whose mothers abused them with munchasuun syndrome actions. The kids were usually 'invalids' and unable to attend school or to play with friends because of their disabling illnesses. I see none of that here.

Yes that was my response, but I still don't know the original comment I was responding too. Just quoting my response and not the original post could lead to it being taken out of context.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

At the barest minimum.. giving CW the benefit of doubt.. if we only go with what he admitted to... killing his wife and dumping everyone's bodies.....

we have to ask.... why would he go in front of local media and tell everyone he doesn't know where they are?

The answer- because even if that is the only thing he did in this situation.... he knows its vile and disgusting. He knows he's a murderer (again, in his story, of only SW). So he should be very anxious/nervous in those videos with the media. I see the anxiety and I also see smiling/relief. Smiling can also be a sign of anxiety, too.

 

[Thepoet]

We're all pretty much going to judge another person's truthfulness on a video compared to what mannerisms we've seen and judged.....In saying that I myself would have been a basketcase, I would have been pleading with the media to give out descriptions,photos, to help get a message out, I would have been in tears. I would not have been smiling and joking, but hey, the old saying goes but that's just me.

Would you have known they were all dead and hidden away? Would you have known you were responsible for some or all of the murders?

 

[Thepoet]

For sure he didn't view himself as others do. Why do the interviews if you know you're such a goof that you can't even keep a straight face? Whoops.

He thought he had fooled everyone and was still fooling everyone!

 

[NuttMegg]

At the barest minimum.. giving CW the benefit of doubt.. if we only go with what he admitted to... killing his wife and dumping everyone's bodies.....

we have to ask.... why would he go in front of local media and tell everyone he doesn't know where they are?

The answer- because even if that is the only thing he did in this situation.... he knows its vile and disgusting. He knows he's a murderer (again, in his story, of only SW). So he should be very anxious/nervous in those videos with the media. I see the anxiety and I also see smiling/relief. Smiling can also be a sign of anxiety, too.

And the fetus

 

[Thepoet]

At the barest minimum.. giving CW the benefit of doubt.. if we only go with what he admitted to... killing his wife and dumping everyone's bodies.....

we have to ask.... why would he go in front of local media and tell everyone he doesn't know where they are?

The answer- because even if that is the only thing he did in this situation.... he knows its vile and disgusting. He knows he's a murderer (again, in his story, of only SW). So he should be very anxious/nervous in those videos with the media. I see the anxiety and I also see smiling/relief. Smiling can also be a sign of anxiety, too.

Smiling can also be a sign of smugness, contempt, and the belief that everyone is fooled!

 

[NuttMegg]

Would you have known they were all dead and hidden away? Would you have known you were responsible for some or all of the murders?

So odd that he would do the interviews in the first place.

 

[kkdj]

I’ll do my best to answer this. I can see where the masses view is what you said. It’s only because I know him I didn’t see that. I saw fear and nervousness. I saw someone who was trying to keep it together. He meant what he said. He wanted his family back. It was a nightmare staying in that house that night. It’s easy for me to have this view because I know his mannerisms. No need for anyone to jump on me for this. This is only how I saw it.

I'm glad you said this. I have thought to myself, during this, what if this were my brother? (not suggesting CW is your brother, but as a point of reference of someone I truly care about.) My brother is shy, small in stature, loving by all accounts. What if his family was suddenly gone and he knew where and the media was all over him? He would remain calm and polite. I would be able to see thru it immediately because I love him so much and understand how he works. Behind the scenes, with me, he would show his true self.
Is this how you see him? Again, I'm not suggesting he's your brother but someone you know very deeply.

 

[JerseyWasHome2]

We're all pretty much going to judge another person's truthfulness on a video compared to what mannerisms we've seen and judged.....In saying that I myself would have been a basketcase, I would have been pleading with the media to give out descriptions,photos, to help get a message out, I would have been in tears. I would not have been smiling and joking, but hey, the old saying goes but that's just me.

Very true. I guess it shows he wasn't a good liar at all! Then again, he finally said there was an emotional discussion and he knew the separation bit would come out, so pleading for their return may have seemed fake to him, if they had supposedly talked about divorce. Still, fake it and plead for the children's return, right?

 

[NuttMegg]

Very true. I guess it shows he wasn't a good liar at all! Then again, he finally said there was an emotional discussion and he knew the separation bit would come out, so pleading for their return may have seemed fake to him, if they had supposedly talked about divorce. Still, fake it and plead for the children's return, right?

True. My scenario was given that I was innocent.