Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #22

[OTPTarheel2018]

I wish more people would come forward whom knew CW pre SW.
Ex girlfriends, maybe some ex co workers. Lots of silence

Would you come forward knowing that the media would be in front of your house or waiting to catch you leaving work?? What if the media would be waiting to catch you as you picked up your kids at school or daycare? Or if the media might want to catch your kids playing in the yard and ask them what they thought of CW or his family?
People would be googling you and your address and your employer and your kids and parents.
Not me. I don’t want 15 minutes of fame. It would change your life forever.
JMO

Edit- I do not know anyone associated with this case.

 

[Inthedetails]

I don't mind you thinking aloud. I just can't wrap my head around a child suffering an accidental injury and a parent not calling 911 and trying to save their life. Whether the child is breathing or not breathing, I'm going to call because my concern for their life would outweigh all else.

Of course. I forgot to add that I would also call 911 and expect everyone would in such a case.

He could've called at any point and didn't.

jmo

 

[The Saint]

But what else could he say?

There is a side door to the garage indicted in the floor plan of their model. It sits too far back for it to show up in the photos of the neighbor's house that is for sale. Please see below.

 

[SuziQ]

OT new developments in the Danniella Vian case

AL - AL - Danniella Vian, 24, Mobile, 17 Jul 2018

 

[NuttMegg]

Yup. Probably for that reason too.

BTW, the first amendment is often misunderstood. It doesn't have anything to do with freedom of expression. It has to do with not allowing the government, Congress, to deny anyone their freedom of speech (our right to protest, for example.) Apart from the government, our opinions can be rightfully challenged and annihilated by anyone, and vice-versa.

That's what I meant. In short hand.

 

[Waterdog]

There is a side door to the garage indicted in the floor plan of their model. It sits too far back for it to show up in the photos of the neighbor's house that is for sale. Please see below.

I don't believe there is a side door that can be seen. Someone posted an actual pic of their house and there isn't a door shown at the back of the garage, unless the door is on the inside of the fence (of which there is a gate on that same side.) So she could have left the house through the garage, through that door and out of the gate. But, we know that isn't what happened.
Quick thinking, CW, but you been got!

 

[Trinket78]

This is exactly what I’ve been thinking... we have SO little actual information about this case - most of which comes from the affidavit - and then an awful lot of rumor and conjecture and dubious conclusions.

Believe me, I am not at ALL trying to ignore or minimize or excuse what C.W. has confessed to doing... but as for the rest there are still so many unknowns. I’m quite honestly shocked by some of what I’ve been seeing... people don’t just have an “opinion” about this case - they seem utterly *convinced* of CW’s guilt (beyond his confession) and are unwilling to entertain any information that isn’t in line with the conclusion they’ve already reached.

Regarding the charges - as with everything, take them with a grain of salt. Prosecutors charge the most serious offenses - which will often include multiple lesser included offenses - they are being conservative to cover their bases. Later on it has to be shown that there’s enough evidence to have those charges actually go to trial. The fact that charges are brought initially does not mean those charges will actually get to trial.

And even if those charges get to trial - remember that CW is presumed innocent until proven guilty, and he is entitled to be heard by a jury of his peers. His version of events is at odds with the charges and he has denied killing the girls. It is absolutely imperative that those jurors be willing to look at ALL the evidence and consider this case as specifically instructed. The jury can’t just reach the conclusion that he’s guilty of killing the girls, simply because he put them in the oil tanks - he’s admitted to that, and it’s a separate charge. The State has to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that he killed them - and has to prove each and every element of the crime. It is easy to see why it’s important for C.W., as his life is at stake - but it’s also a critical part of our justice system as a whole.

At this stage, I haven’t seen anything that would make me believe he killed them - nor have I seen anything that would make me believe she did, either. The Facebook videos may provide a little insight into their respective personalities and the nature of the relationship, but I don’t see anything that would indicate either of them would be capable of killing the girls...yet one of them did. I also don’t draw much (if anything) from his interviews - I viewed him as being nervous and untruthful, not delighted or gloating. We know he was lying, regardless of which version of events is to be believed - so IMO, his demeanor fits.

I am very interested to hear from people who knew CW and SW. It’s not victim blaming - it’s first hand observations and opinions and I think it’s relevant to helping to understand their personalities and relationship and how it got to this point. That being said, I’m not sure it really helps me figure out who killed the girls.

Just my 2 cents...

That was an amazing post!

 

[Layla123]

The part I think is bizarre is that he arranged the doors of the house to imply that she left via the big garage door, yet left her purse behind, yet took the opener for when she came back. Probably entry to the house was just blocked so no one could get in before he cleaned up the scene, and I'm giving him credit for even planning a story for her own exit from the house. He probably hadn't thought that far ahead.

I know my series of posts was confusing, as I was thinking that he was standing there in front of the garage with the friend and LE when he said the pad was broken, and I assumed he meant the whole door was broken, which is why I asked how he got in then. Someone corrected me, apparently he said that the code pad didn't work, when he was in the car coming home, and several have pointed out that he opened the door with the opener when he arrived in the truck.

I’m at the point where I think C.W. was either stupid or acting out of sleep deprivation while in the act of committing these crimes. I doubt he slept at all during the night of the murders, and he got no sleep the next day. We all could have committed better murders. He obviously didn’t tie up all the loose ends or consider all the what if’s before taking action.

 

[Layla123]

There is a side door to the garage indicted in the floor plan of their model. It sits too far back for it to show up in the photos of the neighbor's house that is for sale. Please see below.

He knew he was caught! The doors were all locked. He’d forgotten to unlock them. He explained it away the best way he could hoping no one would notice.

 

[Kensie]

IF CW is a narcissist, they are smarter than everyone else (in their minds) and of course they are seldom at fault (again in their minds).

 

[NuttMegg]

I’m at the point where I think C.W. was either stupid or acting out of sleep deprivation while in the act of committing these crimes. I doubt he slept at all during the night of the murders, and he got no sleep the next day. We all could have committed better murders. He obviously didn’t tie up all the loose ends or consider all the what if’s before taking action.

Imagine. He had to have (IMO) blocked the front door and the sliding door at roughly 5:30 am when he left with the 3 apparently-dead IMO bodies. At that time knowing that he didn't want anyone to get in the house, maybe a tired guy but not too tired to realize he didn't want anyone getting in the house. (And I say "apparently-dead (IMO)" since I haven't seen any reference to his giving CPR, or alerting 911 to possible deaths, or to definitive time-frame, or to the COD of the 3 people. So far I don't think it's been released ie when they died. What if it turns out that 1 or more died from ingesting toxic crude? )

 

[JudgeJudi]

* They spent the afternoon at a birthday party. Again, that can mean wound-up kids and impatient parent.

Jeremy Lindstrom hosted the birthday party for his little boy several days before the family "vanished".

Family friend talks about seeing Chris Watts and his girls just days before the murders

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

So, what's the point of the thread being open. Sounds like a closed case.

jmo

Some think so but it's far from a closed case.

 

[Asevario]

Not THE prosecuting attorney...an attorney on the case. But still a big deal, yes.

I haven't seen or read anything about one of the attys, but I did see screen shots (paraphrasing, here) of what seemed to be a husband giving a shout out to the tireless work of his wife on the case, where she commented that she was proud of the team that brought Chris to justice and promised SW that they "would not rest", it seemed that she was a forensic analyst on the case. That SS lead to speculation that the defense would try to have every piece of evidence she touched thrown out. Could that be the cause for the motion by defense?
I am not sure if that was allowed, I am a newbie and trying to learn the rules and acronyms, so please let me know if not.

 

[Asevario]

Jeremy Lindstrom hosted the birthday party for his little boy several days before the family "vanished".

Family friend talks about seeing Chris Watts and his girls just days before the murders

I believe that is incorrect. In his interview, he stated that CW and the girls were at the party on Sunday, they "vanished" on Monday. 6 weekends before that they were in NC, IIRC.

 

[MsBetsy]

JMO, of course....but I believe he killed them ALL because he wanted to search around in some other "greener pastures." I believe it was premeditated...but how long in advance may be proven later. Again, JMO I do not believe there was any accident, AT ALL. MOO

I agree. I don't find it believable that he may have killed one child by accident, then panicked and killed the other one to cover it up, then panicked even more and killed his wife. It makes no sense to me. If he wanted to cover up accidentally killing his child, he wouldn't need to eliminate the other in order to do so. Especially with children that age. Jmo

 

[MJPeony]

Does anyone have the video of CW in the kitchen making breakfast and singing “hot dog hot dog hot diggity dog”? Was looking for it again last night and I cannot figure out where I’d seen it.... I need better organization for these videos!
TIA

 

[Layla123]

Imagine. He had to have (IMO) blocked the front door and the sliding door at roughly 5:30 am when he left with the 3 apparently-dead IMO bodies. At that time knowing that he didn't want anyone to get in the house, maybe a tired guy but not too tired to realize he didn't want anyone getting in the house. (And I say "apparently-dead (IMO)" since I haven't seen any reference to his giving CPR, or alerting 911 to possible deaths, or to definitive time-frame, or to the COD of the 3 people.)

I think the doors were all locked from the night before. SW locked the front door when she came in that night. I don’t think CW gave a thought to locking the doors after the murders. He was concentrating on how to get the 3 bodies out of there without being seen.

 

[pocketaccent]

JMO, I don't he ever had a change of heart about SW
throughout this entire ordeal. My thoughts are his most recent statement about SW murdering the girls has a lot to do with the contempt he feels toward SW, and is akin to murdering her twice.

It's also a way for him to try to mitigate consequences in the whole matter, to get a lighter sentence, because he's already proven that he does lie to try to avoid consequences. JMO.

All JMO.

BBM
Same thought. He murdered her twice, maybe even three times. It must have 'killed' her to have her husband suggest a separation when she was 13 or 14 weeks pregnant.

 

[Thepoet]

I have no problem with differing opinions, in fact I am interested in them. I do have a problem with the use of videos to pick SW a part and a few other things, but first. My mother was married to a monster, my stepfather, for over twenty years. For about the first 15 years of their marriage you would not have found anyone to say a bad word about him. If there had been videos, he would have been the quiet one gently smiling in the background and, yes, you would have heard her make some digs at him. In private, he never abused her physically that I know of, but the emotional abuse was devastating! It changed/ruined her life and greatly effected mine. Insults, degradation, almost all holidays ruined. He had a neat trick with the holidays, he would nitpick, insult, pick fights, refuse to entertain and eat with guests when they arrived, etc. Until my Mother was almost a basketcase and then. . .when guests did arrive he was was Mr. Charming and she was pouting or sulky and everyone felt sorry for him! After about 15 years the mask began to slip and people finaaly began to see him for what he was and finally started to support her. She also entered therapy, which greatly helped and finally led her to divorce him. Even after the divorce he intimidated and harassed her. I won't go into details, for one thing it still hurts, but suffice to say; I know very well that there can be a facade and life behind the facade can be so much different! Also, his family (mother, 3 sisters, and brother) were all as bat crap crazy as he was and would defend him with their last breath, except for one sister, and they would excoriate my mother and anyone else. He also had friends that truly believed that he was the "good guy" and would say so. He could charm people when he wanted to, at least for a great while. If anything had happened in that first 15 years I have no doubt everyone would have been shocked because; he was so quiet and nice. And they would have pointed out my Mother's perceived short-comings.

So, sorry for the venting, but I know first hand about hidden secrets and ugly behavior. I know things aren't always as they seem. I also know that even monsters will have supporters who will tell a pretty story. I think I have a pretty good and valid idea of who and what CW is and what he did. I'll listen to other ideas and opinions, if they offer some substance, but I haven't encountered any yet that would change my mind!