Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #22

[Nikynoo]

I also recall she felt the need to explain/defend herself after she was being unfairly targeted for calling the police for welfare check on the missing family. MOO

correct.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I believe it is code to have an external entry/exit door other than to the living area.

Well that may be correct, the garage door is an external entry exit door other than to the living area. The big garage door that the cars go out of.

 

[Nikynoo]

Agree.
It’s interesting to me to brainstorm what the defense will in fact use to put forth as a defense of CW’s claims. They’re going to use something beyond bossy and hypochondriac for sure.

I'm not sure, we will have to wait and see

 

[MassGuy]

True, but what I am wondering is if this can still be detected if the bodies had been effected by the oil or due to decomposition, etc. Does anyone know what ( scientifically) effects the oil may have on the bodies? I can't remember how long it was but I know it wasn't very long.

If he did strangle the kids, it’s likely that their hyoid bones would be broken, which would be evident at autopsy.

I do think the he’s being truthful about the causes of death, because there really isn’t a reason to lie about this part.

Strangulation makes the most sense to me here, as it takes a particularly cold (and evil) person to be able to watch your kids die in front of your eyes.

It’s something that a man who dumps his kids bodies like trash, and cooly lies on national television, would certainly be capable of.

 

[MsBetsy]

Because I would like to know if you think the charge is justified or not.

Which charge are you referring to? In my opinion LE would have to be pretty confident in the charges. Which one are you questioning? Just curious.

 

[Seattle1]

I believe that I’ve been open to all viewpoints, not just my own. In fact, I’m still interested in learning more so that I can evolve and change my theory based on new information. I have encouraged everyone to do the same. So, if you are implying I have confirmation bias, I respectfully disagree.

Very good point. Everybody entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.

 

[MassGuy]

Very good point. Everybody entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.

Exactly. Facts are facts. There is no such thing as “my truth,” there is only “the truth.”

 

[cottonweaver]

Yes, this. Some people were highly offended that she called the police by saying it was none of her business to do so.

One person, who posted for a few threads way way back, who no longer posts IIRC and left saying he/she'd changed his/her mind completely.
I'm not using the name due to ToS options............

ETA: Point being one person out of how many posters on 22 threads?

 

[Jennifer17]

Which charge are you referring to? In my opinion LE would have to be pretty confident in the charges. Which one are you questioning? Just curious.

I wasn't questioning it, the poster that that reply was to claimed that LE was being creative with that charge. I wasn't sure what she meant.

 

[cottonweaver]

Agree.
It’s interesting to me to brainstorm what the defense will in fact use to put forth as a defense of CW’s claims. They’re going to use something beyond bossy and hypochondriac for sure.

Thank you for making me laugh.
And I agree btw .

 

[Jennifer17]

One person, who posted for a few threads way way back, who no longer posts IIRC and left saying he/she'd changed his/her mind completely.
I'm not using the name due to ToS options............

NUA was not talking about that poster. As far as I know she does not read here. She was getting the criticism on her facebook page.

 

[MsBetsy]

If he did strangle the kids, it’s likely that their hyoid bones would be broken, which would be evident at autopsy.

I do think the he’s being truthful about the causes of death, because there really isn’t a reason to lie about this part.

Strangulation makes the most sense to me here, as it takes a particularly cold (and evil) person to be able to watch your kids die in front of your eyes.

It’s something that a man who dumps his kids bodies like trash, and cooly lies on national television, would certainly be capable of.

Yes, that's what appears to be the case. That's why I questioned it, I could not comprehend looking in their eyes and facing them as their life is being taken away. It would seem to be a more controlled method rather than an act of uncontrollable rage. Which makes it all the more horrible. Jmo

 

[Nikynoo]

I'm not being disrespectful. If you are close to CW, how could you not know what vehicles he has/had? That seems like something most friends know.

not if they're not local e.g. CW based in CO and someone based in another area

 

[Hazelnutty]

@Trinket78
Did you see both CW & SW during their recent 6 week vacation ? If so, I'm curious about how the relationship between CW & SW appeared then? Did they seem distant or just the same as always?
Do you feel that CW would lie to others about SW to gain sympathy or to make her look bad to others?

 

[searchinGirl]

My interest in this is past the emotional reaction stage, it is a horrific tragedy no matter what version of events you believe. I want to understand the dynamic behind this relationship that quite possibly laid the groundwork for this.

I agree, SW has loads of people who spoke highly of her which portrayed her as the as the everyday mom and wife living next door. Her extensive SM presence gives people an uncharacteristically in depth glimpse into her daily life.

However, if you take away the noise spread on here, everything uncovered about CW paints him in the same light. Just an average guy working a middle class job with a wife and two beautiful daughters. Nothing in his history points to this; no long list of people saying 'he is a psycho', no reports of a violent past, no lengthy criminal history...nothing. Those same SM videos show him interacting with his daughters and wife in a manner that further portrays a normal everyday dad and spouse.

That is what intrigues me. Something happened that is abnormal and I would like to understand it. I understand there was an affair, but around 1/3rd of married partners cheat at some point and killings over it certainly aren't commonplace, much less wiping out a family. I think there is a bigger picture here and while it certainly won't excuse or condone what happened it might make it so its no longer a mystery.

I’ve mentioned this a couple times, but I think C.W. and SW developed a Co-dependent relationship that turned deadly. They were really wrapped up in each other’s identities to the point of not wanting to be, but being so enveloped in each other that they were no longer individuals capable of functioning independently.

It’s complicated and I’m not a psychologist but I am a Domestic Violence survivor (for 28 years) and I believe I’m recognizing it in their relationship. It’s along the lines of ... I portray myself as the weak one in the relationship so that he may portray himself as being the strong one, when in reality it’s just the opposite. And it’s a secret to everyone. And it’s living a lie to the extreme that often ends in violence.

 

[cocomod]

Just because someone thinks about and plans a murder, then carries it out, doesn't mean that they won't make blunders. I personally believe that he killed all three and that this was at lease a little planned out prior to. He reminds me of my ex - who was and still is a narcissist (actually diagnosed by a professional).

My ex came to me one night and said that he couldn't take it any more, and he wanted a divorce. I told him, "You are right! We can't do this any more, we tried and we can't fix it. I'll go and file tomorrow." He didn't expect me to agree. He also didn't want to be the one to file so that he could blame me for "breaking up our family" later on. He went a bit bonkers after that, and even tried to commit suicide. When we were finally separated, he would antagonize me until I lost my temper at him so that I would look like the crazy one.

My point is, CW was having multiple affairs. They were having financial difficulties. She traveled a lot for her "job". There was a lot of stress on this marriage. The affairs is a very typical trigger. His complete lack of emotion after admitting to the murders leads me to believe that he separated himself from the fact that these three were human beings, they were his family, and they didn't deserve to die.

While it is possible that she killed the little ones and he killed her in retaliation or self-defense. However, from my experience watching multiple, multiple cases here on WS, I believe he did this. I think he thought with calm self-assurance, he could get away with murder. I think he wanted to basically start over in life without the responsibilities of the children and without a wife that he resented.

This case breaks my heart like so many before it!

 

[Thepoet]

My interest in this is past the emotional reaction stage, it is a horrific tragedy no matter what version of events you believe. I want to understand the dynamic behind this relationship that quite possibly laid the groundwork for this.

I agree, SW has loads of people who spoke highly of her which portrayed her as the as the everyday mom and wife living next door. Her extensive SM presence gives people an uncharacteristically in depth glimpse into her daily life.

However, if you take away the noise spread on here, everything uncovered about CW paints him in the same light. Just an average guy working a middle class job with a wife and two beautiful daughters. Nothing in his history points to this; no long list of people saying 'he is a psycho', no reports of a violent past, no lengthy criminal history...nothing. Those same SM videos show him interacting with his daughters and wife in a manner that further portrays a normal everyday dad and spouse.

That is what intrigues me. Something happened that is abnormal and I would like to understand it. I understand there was an affair, but around 1/3rd of married partners cheat at some point and killings over it certainly aren't commonplace, much less wiping out a family. I think there is a bigger picture here and while it certainly won't excuse or condone what happened it might make it so its no longer a mystery.

Good post. I'll just repeat what I said earlier in the post. Some people are experts on keeping things hidden; within themselves and within the family. I have personal experience and can tell you, things can go on that only the very immediate family see and even they can be fooled if they want to be. There may be a bigger picture here that no one, except CW, SW, and the girls, were privy too.

 

[MassGuy]

Agree.
It’s interesting to me to brainstorm what the defense will in fact use to put forth as a defense of CW’s claims. They’re going to use something beyond bossy and hypochondriac for sure.

I fear the “hypochondriac” thing came from me. I was shooting down the Munchausen thing, by saying that taking her kids to the doctor so often, might show that Shanann was a hypochondriac if anything.

I wasn’t saying she was a hypochondriac, just that it would be far more likely than the alternative. Although I see absolutely no credible evidence as to that being the case.

 

[NuttMegg]

If he did strangle the kids, it’s likely that their hyoid bones would be broken, which would be evident at autopsy.

I do think the he’s being truthful about the causes of death, because there really isn’t a reason to lie about this part.

Strangulation makes the most sense to me here, as it takes a particularly cold (and evil) person to be able to watch your kids die in front of your eyes.

It’s something that a man who dumps his kids bodies like trash, and cooly lies on national television, would certainly be capable of.

Did CW ever claim to have seen the first child being strangled? IIRC only that he saw her body spread out and blue. I have never seen this loose end tied up. But I think that he claimed that SW strangled them, how did he know, if the child on the monitor was already blue and not moving? How did he know unless he did it himself, of course.

 

[Layla123]

It’s possible

I can see that. A lot of marriages go that way. Once you figure out you can’t change one another, and accept who one another is, that’s when you start getting happy. I can see that you really liked CW, and it’s going to be very painful for you if it turns out he is responsible for all this. I’m so sorry for you that you have to go through this.