Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #22

[Nikynoo]

Do you think that he should't be?

why do you say that?

 

[Mosaic]

Interesting, but if this is true, wouldn't it show quite a lot of meticulous thinking ahead and planning on CW's part? For someone who made so many blundering mistakes (leaving their bedsheet behind at the burial site, doors from home all left locked from inside, Shanann's purse, keys, phone and meds in the house, being clueless to questions about who she was on a playdate with, etc...) I can't see him thinking ahead enough to strategize, "just in case the police find the bodies, I'll transfer DNA from Shanann's hands to their throats to frame her". I don't think he thought the bodies of the girls would ever be found in such a remote location. All just MOO, but it feels contradictory to me.

I can see the logic on your post. I considered that scenario but I'm on the fence after reading your post. :/

 

[Thepoet]

not if they're not local e.g. CW based in CO and someone based in another area

Ah yes, but we're talking about a DI and someone very close to CW. I have close friends that always let me, and others, know when they get a new car or company car. Just seems to me they should know.

 

[katydid23]

Agree.
It’s interesting to me to brainstorm what the defense will in fact use to put forth as a defense of CW’s claims. They’re going to use something beyond bossy and hypochondriac for sure.

The night before the Opening Statements in the Casey Anthony trial, we were here doing just that---brainstorming what we thought the defense would be.

I remember posting that the defense would lie, and say that Casey was sexually abused by her father, and he was the real killer, as he was also abusing his grand daughter.

I was shocked to hear Baez say what he said in his OS. And I felt horrible that I kind of sarcastically came up with the gross defense they used.

 

[molly1255]

jmo[/QUOTE]

I haven't discussed that. But, again, as mentioned many many times it's not to victim shame we're just trying to see what/if anything could have effected SW and CW's relationship.

JMO, infidelity would certainly have an affect on a marriage.

 

[Thepoet]

I can see that. A lot of marriages go that way. Once you figure out you can’t change one another, and accept who one another is, that’s when you start getting happy. I can see that you really liked CW, and it’s going to be very painful for you if it turns out he is responsible for all this. I’m so sorry for you that you have to go through this.

Excellent Layla, and I would hope all of us would feel the same. I am very sorry as well that Trinket has to go through this, what a nightmare!

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I haven't yet seen on this board whether or not the girls were in plastic bags, or naked, or in clothes when put in the crude (which IMO could affect decomposition). Also have not seen the COD for them. Other than what CW is claiming which would put the TOD for all 3 somewhere after Shan'nan arrived from the plane ride and before he dumped them in the morning, and COD according to him to be strangling of SW and one of the kids, with the other one just showing up blue on the BW montor. Did CW claim that child on the monitor was strangled? We've heard, IIRC, that the cadaver dogs hit on some sign of death in the house (someone correct me on that if I am wrong), but IIRC not that anyone has released information on when anyone specifically died. For all we know, (aside from CW's account) only one person died in the house, enough for the dogs to notice. IMO

Because of the new law which I posted up thread, which may have already passed, juvenile autopsies will not be released. So we may not know until the trial.

 

[WildWest]

I'm so pleased the tone of this thread has turned around. I've followed a couple cases here closely and there was unity to discuss the case and find the truth, much respect and kindness shown to all members.

 

[Nikynoo]

Ah yes, but we're talking about a DI and someone very close to CW. I have close friends that always let me, and others, know when they get a new car or company car. Just seems to me they should know.

not necessarily. for example, my sister wouldnt necessarily tell me if my brother in law had a new car

 

[flourish]

It's never advised to speak ill of the dead.

That's not realistic or genuine, imo. Death does not make someone's human flaws disappear. And there's a difference between "speaking ill" and seeing someone for who they authentically were. Imo

 

[Jennifer17]

JMO, infidelity would certainly have an affect on a marriage.

Yes and in many instances of family annihilation it is present.

 

[Inthedetails]

Because of the new law which I posted up thread, which may have already passed, juvenile autopsies will not be released. So we may not know until the trial.

I totally missed that. Good info to know. Thanks.

 

[NuttMegg]

Because of the new law which I posted up thread, which may have already passed, juvenile autopsies will not be released. So we may not know until the trial.

I didn't understand if they would also be secret during the trial?

 

[mtnlites]

The night before the Opening Statements in the Casey Anthony trial, we were here doing just that---brainstorming what we thought the defense would be.

I remember posting that the defense would lie, and say that Casey was sexually abused by her father, and he was the real killer, as he was also abusing his grand daughter.

I was shocked to hear Baez say what he said in his OS. And I felt horrible that I kind of sarcastically came up with the gross defense they used.

To be fair, and hopefully maybe to alleviate guilt, the PI Baez used said they came up with that idea long before the trial, though he's refused to speculate on the truthfulness of it or to say where the idea came from.

 

[Sleuthine]

I'm not being disrespectful. If you are close to CW, how could you not know what vehicles he has/had? That seems like something most friends know.

We rightfully cannot make assumptions about the VI's identity. So need to see how I post this. But yes, I can absolutely imagine constellations where one wouldn't necessarily know the number of cars, especially if you are not into cars or don't see the person on a daily basis

 

[Nikynoo]

I didn't understand if they would also be secret during the trial?

I wouldnt have thought so, wouldnt they be part of the evidence?

 

[Amandaaa]

What I’m wondering is if the forensics indicates she may have had a hand in killing her children (which I doubt), then the defense will claim self defense on behalf of another, an affirmative defense; in which case the burden of proving it didn’t happen as the defendant said falls on the prosecution. Perhaps one of the legal minds here could weigh on on that.

Waiting on verification so this isn’t an “official” legal answer - but based on his admission alone, I don’t see that applying - he said he strangled her in a rage - believing she had killed the girls (not to defend them).

But even if he did try to use it - there are limitations on the right to defend - has to be threat of imminent harm, and you can’t use more force than required (if I can stop you by pushing you away, I can’t kill you)

 

[BeanieBod]

Edited by me for quote error.

Well that may be correct, the garage door is an external entry exit door other than to the living area. The big garage door that the cars go out of.

But it is not manually operated for a quick exit.

 

[Thepoet]

The question was about how many work vehicles he had correct? I don’t know if his work truck was ever changed out. Maybe I read it wrong

Okay, that makes it clear. I misunderstood. And again, my sincerest sympathy for what you are going through and must be feeling. We really can't know. Hang in there, please.

 

[Inthedetails]

To be fair, and hopefully maybe to alleviate guilt, the PI Baez used said they came up with that idea long before the trial, though he's refused to speculate on the truthfulness of it or to say where the idea came from.

I think it's interesting to discuss what the defense's case will be! But that type of discussion doesn't seem to go over very well. Other posters seem to assume it means you're siding with the defense, when that isn't true at all. If there were a way to flag that type of discussion without a bunch of verbage, maybe that would work.

jmo

 

[NuttMegg]

I wouldnt have thought so, wouldnt they be part of the evidence?

I don't know if they can be part of the evidence yet not "released". Not a legal savvy person here. You'd think that if they were made public at the trial, how can they subsequently not be "released"? Not arguing here, just trying to understand.