Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #22

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Except for the reply quote issue, yes. ( I used to roll& scroll but...)

Someone mentioned separate threads a few pages back....

anyway, you said earlier on that you also had some kind of legal training and that you were outside the US but as per the VI, you don't have to answer any of that. (I am in the UK btw)
Yes, UK commercial lawyer. I have sat in the Federal Court (9th Circuit) and also the Court of Appeals (9th Circuit) both commercial (civil) cases. There are differences between the UK and US legal systems, mainly that the Judges docket in the US includes both civil and criminal cases, which is different to the UK. I found the jury selection process in the US interesting (we dont have juries for civil cases in the UK). I also have some insight into US legal ethics, though won't post my thoughts here.
 
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Ok, I will admit I am pretty set on my current belief that CW was a family annihilator. Our reasons for feeling this way have been posted repeatedly.

So for those that believe he is telling the truth, and he caught an image of his wife killing his daughters on his baby monitor, have at it. Convince me.

Seriously, I am sincerely asking. What are the reasons you feel he is telling the truth. I do really want to understand.

Im anxious to here from them too! I know there are some here. I'd like to here the theories and reasoning behind them.
 
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Hi Dixiegirl, that content is geoblocked so I can't see it.
Can you tell me who was interviewed? Thanks!

Close family friends can’t believe what happened to the Watts family

“Shanann, she just had a smile that made everybody smile," close family friend L* N* said.

A picture perfect family is what Shanann Watts portrayed of her husband and two daughters on Facebook. It's a picture, close family friends say they saw in real life too.

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  • #666
I digress, but I will say that part of the reason that I became a lawyer in a rural area was the influence of To Kill a Mockingbird and the ideal of Atticus Finch.

BBM. I am quoting myself to make a point about so-called "victim shaming."

You will recall in the book referred to above, that Atticus was appointed by Judge Taylor to represent Tom Robinson, a black man who had been accused of raping Mayella Ewell, who was a white woman. If found guilty, Tom faced the gallows.

Everyone in Maycomb County thought they knew what had happened. Mayella said that she had asked Tom to come over to her house to bust up an old chifferobe for firewood, that Tom had made sexual advances, beat her up and tried to rape her. All of the townspeople were upset, and wanted Tom hanged. People harrassed Atticus for daring to defend the guilty black man, and his small children were taunted that their father was "n****r lover."

What was the truth, though? Atticus got Miss Mayella to admit that she was the one who had made sexual advances toward Tom, who fled, but when Mayella's father, Bob Ewell, the town drunk, discovered what she had done, he beat her, causing her injuries. Then to hide the beating and shame and to set themselves up as victims and heroes, they accused poor Tom of rape.

What if old Atticus wasn't allowed to question the veracity of the "victim" in that case? Would justice have prevailed? No, the truth would never have come out. Was it shaming the victim, or seeking the truth?

In the end, it didn't matter much. The jury convicted Tom despite Mayella's confession and overwhelming proof of his innocence. A mob rushed the jail on the night of the conviction and lynched Tom. Atticus might as well have put on a weak defense without challenging the honor of the victim. The result would have been the same. But that wasn't something Atticus would do---he was bound to his oath to defend the client and to face the wrath of the crowd in order to obtain justice. I hope we have a small fraction of that bravery.
 
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i think the meaning was that CW said that SW strangled the children?
Oh, right, that. I thought the reference was to something off the videos.
 
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Ok, I will admit I am pretty set on my current belief that CW was a family annihilator. Our reasons for feeling this way have been posted repeatedly.

So for those that believe he is telling the truth, and he caught an image of his wife killing his daughters on his baby monitor, have at it. Convince me.

Seriously, I am sincerely asking. What are the reasons you feel he is telling the truth. I do really want to understand.

Haha love the pic. Speaking for myself, I'm not convinced he did or didn't kill the girls. I'm just asking for the chance to explore his version of events. I don't think I've heard many say they believe his statement, more that they want the opportunity to look into it. I have nothing to go at the moment as to why either of them would kill the girls. So I too am baffled by this which is why I can't say for certain what I think happened. There maybe a reason Chris acted the way he did in the interviews. Some say he was preening, smug and smiling. Others interpret it as nervous or anxious. A VI says he finds it difficult to express his emotions. At the beginning I heard he was a narcissist, controlling, a bully, passive aggressive. Why are people not saying this anymore? Maybe because experts have weighed in, friends and literally no-one that knew them say they saw any signs of this. Who knows what else we may discover and change our minds about. I don't want to victim shame as I believe no-one else does either. Is there even the SLIGHTEST chance SW MAY have killed the girls? People say NO WAY, but everyone that seems to have known Chris, even SW's family say they never thought for 1 second he could have done it either. So where does that leave us? I like FACTS, I hate rumours, gossip etc. and I haven't heard enough yet to convince me. Thank you for asking :)
 
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I don't like the separate threads idea. Why just have an echo chamber?

Some of us expressed interest in talking about what the defense strategy could be, but are reluctant to post about it because the comments would likely get misinterpreted and shot down as if they are in support of the defense rather than talking about defense strategy in a "game plan" sort of way.

I myself enjoy talking strategy - even if it's not "my side." Brainstorming in a group would make it more interesting, imo.

The thought was that a separate thread would make it clear that the discussion was not in support of the perp. That might eliminate criticism that shuts brainstorming down. The purpose is rather the opposite of creating an echo chamber.

I like the idea of talking strategy, though I can understand mods might not want it.

jmo
 
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I'm not sure why the topic would be off limits. The DA has asked for CW's prints. The ME may have discovered old bruising on the children indicative of child abuse. MBP is a form of child abuse and CW has accused SW of harming the children. JMO
That's why I said " may" be. I know for sure the peanuts are and thought the topic of Munchausen by proxy was too. You can check back in the thread. At any rate, there is no evidence that SW intentionally harmed the children or faked any diseases. Apparently all are legitimate illnesses. Jmo
 
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Yes, UK commercial lawyer. I have sat in the Federal Court (9th Circuit) and also the Court of Appeals (9th Circuit) both commercial (civil) cases. There are differences between the UK and US legal systems, mainly that the Judges docket in the US includes both civil and criminal cases, which is different to the UK. I found the jury selection process in the US interesting (we dont have juries for civil cases in the UK). I also have some insight into US legal ethics, though won't post my thoughts here.

Interesting. I've been on some good cases on WS with a few posters with all types of legal specialisms, I don't follow many trials on here, even though I've been registered for probably five years now.
Not certain I would follow this case during the trial now.

I'm interested in comparative opinions so if the ethics part is too hot for here can you say anything on the jury selection process? What you found interesting.
 
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Yes, UK commercial lawyer. I have sat in the Federal Court (9th Circuit) and also the Court of Appeals (9th Circuit) both commercial (civil) cases. There are differences between the UK and US legal systems, mainly that the Judges docket in the US includes both civil and criminal cases, which is different to the UK. I found the jury selection process in the US interesting (we dont have juries for civil cases in the UK). I also have some insight into US legal ethics, though won't post my thoughts here.

Would you call yourself a barrister or solicitor? Welcome.
 
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Haha love the pic. Speaking for myself, I'm not convinced he did or didn't kill the girls. I'm just asking for the chance to explore his version of events. I don't think I've heard many say they believe his statement, more that they want the opportunity to look into it. I have nothing to go at the moment as to why either of them would kill the girls. So I too am baffled by this which is why I can't say for certain what I think happened. There maybe a reason Chris acted the way he did in the interviews. Some say he was preening, smug and smiling. Others interpret it as nervous or anxious. A VI says he finds it difficult to express his emotions. At the beginning I heard he was a narcissist, controlling, a bully, passive aggressive. Why are people not saying this anymore? Maybe because experts have weighed in, friends and literally no-one that knew them say they saw any signs of this. Who knows what else we may discover and change our minds about. I don't want to victim shame as I believe no-one else does either. Is there even the SLIGHTEST chance SW MAY have killed the girls? People say NO WAY, but everyone that seems to have known Chris, even SW's family say they never thought for 1 second he could have done it either. So where does that leave us? I like FACTS, I hate rumours, gossip etc. and I haven't heard enough yet to convince me. Thank you for asking :)

I too am in this boat. I need more information. I HATE labels because we are all different. The biggy for me is that if we are going to take someones liberty (or life) away from them, then we need to be absolutely certain. I just do not have enough information at the moment to condemn anyone. I am forever haunted by a UK case, Sally Clarke (RIP)- wrongful conviction - and it destroyed her and her families lives.
 
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I just purchased TWO FACE: THE MAN UNDERNEATH CHRISTOPHER WATTS by Nick van der Leek on Amazon Kindle. Has anyone else read it yet?

Whaaatttt? A book already?....Sheesh...
 
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I am a solicitor. Thank you.

Everything I know about the UK justice system, I learned from watching "Witness for the Prosecution." :)
 
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I know. I spend way too much time trying to remember what we know, what we don't know. For me, if he had just killed them, and blamed his wife, or if she really had killed them, I don't think I would be so obsessed because had he called 911 I think it could have been proven who done it. For me it's what came afterwards that throws the monkey wrench into it. And, the oil, well I already said how I feel on that.
I agree. Well said. Be well and take care.
 
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