Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #22

[Bill Carson]

Chris Watts case: DNA evidence could prove to be 'smoking gun' if judge grants prosecution's motion

has this been posted? Interesting

Clickbait headline compared to the content of the article. There's no bombshell there or even a potential bombshell.

 

[Asevario]

The playdate occurred on the day of the murders, not the birthday party. This is what I posted on a previous thread.

“This video includes a very brief clip (2:23 – 2:50) of an interview with Jeremy and Jennifer Lindstrom who were with CW, Bella and CeCe just hours before the murders. Jeremy is now listed as a potential witness in the case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP46E37QzGQ

This was the couple who held the birthday party for their little boy just days before their murders”.

I’ve already posted several links relating to the birthday party, but just to keep both events together, here’s the link again.

https://lawandcrime.com/crime/he-never-once-cried-distraught-friends-react-to-familys-murder-days-after-they-went-to-birthday-party/

I am so confused? How did they have a play date on the day of the murders?

 

[molly1255]

I don’t know where the idea that C.W. tried to protect SW by hiding the bodies came from, but there has been nothing as far as I have heard, to that effect. I would remember that, because I would have found the notion hilarious in its stupidity. I can’t imagine anyone has said that, because it doesn’t make any sense to me either.

I don't know where the idea CW tried to protect SW came from either. JMO, it's ridiculous.

 

[NuttMegg]

The part that was interesting , that the delay is not usual, and the "whys"

 

[Gardenista]

I don't see how either parent's DNA on the necks would help prove anything. I think other marks like bruising, scratching etc... are needed.

 

[Bill Carson]

The part that was interesting , that the delay is not usuausuall, and the "whys"

I agree that the content was noteworthy, and thank you for posting it.

I just dislike the headline because it teases that there's more there when there's not.

 

[Jennifer17]

The defense motion asked that any evidence under her nails be preserved. I have seen in photos that SW's nails are quite long. The children's DNA would have no reasonable explanation from being there other than she touched them that night. JMO

The Coroner would have done that without the defence's motion. It is part of any murder autopsy.
They are just putting that out there to strengthen their case in the court of public opinion which they are accusing the prosecution of IMO.

 

[NuttMegg]

I don't know where the idea CW tried to protect SW came from either. JMO, it's ridiculous.

we've sure seen it posted a lot, yes is ridiculous.

 

[NuttMegg]

I agree that the content was noteworthy, and thank you for posting it.

I just dislike the headline because it teases that there's more there when there's not.

It took me 10 minutes to figure out how to copy the url on this primitive tablet, you'd better like it.

 

[Jennifer17]

we've sure seen it posted a lot, yes is ridiculous.

We have also seen it posted that he dumped the bodies because even though SW killed them, he was scared that he would be blamed which is equally ridiculous IMO.

 

[Tricia]

Hey Everyone,

The Watts thread will be closing in about 20 minutes. Right around 12 AM Eastern. We'll have a new thread for you in the morning.

Heads up. The thread is being locked at 12 AM Eastern.

 

[Lucyray]

You said not to respond, but I can’t help myself.

You are looking at this through the eyes of a normal person. You understand pain, loss, love, and have empathy for others.

There is a segment of the population that doesn’t feel these things, atleast in the same way that you or I do.

They care only for themselves, and their own gratification. Life is about them, and less about those around them.

I’m speaking in a general sense, but some people don’t value human life like the rest of us.

I understand your words. But I am having a difficult time with this explanation..this man, and this woman, BOTH appear to love their children. They remind me of every young couple I know. Personally, I might better understand a snap! From either one, or from both. Preplanning, and the implied darkness of the soul, are just hard to fathom. If only there was a believable reason! No way does a guy or a gal just kill their family so they can be free. Okay, I'll quit posting my indignation. Lip zipped.

 

[Jennifer17]

I don't see how either parent's DNA on the necks would help prove anything. I think other marks like bruising, scratching etc... are needed.

Their bedding and clothing would be full of both parent's DNA.

 

[Jennifer17]

I understand your words. But I am having a difficult time with this explanation..this man, and this woman, BOTH appear to love their children. They remind me of every young couple I know. Personally, I might better understand a snap! From either one, or from both. Preplanning, and the implied darkness of the soul, are just hard to fathom. If only there was a believable reason! No way does a guy or a gal just kill their family so they can be free. Okay, I'll quit posting my indignation. Lip zipped.

But plenty have done just that.

 

[Bill Carson]

This is my current theory**, and I'm doing research to see how common this is. MOO.

* I will caution our VI's that they might want to scroll through this post.

[**Every time that I start typing my theory, I talk myself out of it because every theory seems to conflict with this or that evidence that we know, but here goes...]

One of them killed the children--I find it unimaginable that either would do it. However, based upon the way things turned out, I am going to assume that CW did it. And here's why....

I'm going to assume that if someone asked for a separation, it was SW rather than CW. (I won't go into all of the details at this point, but I suspect that SW wanted out. That's why she spent 5 or 6 weeks in NC with family---to confirm that this is what she wanted. Maybe it had to do with discovering he had an affair, or whatever.)

I going to assume that CW loved SW, and he loved the children even more. The six week separation from SW and the children was extremely painful for him. (Remember what he said in the interview about the quiet house? That's what he lived for five weeks.)

I think that SW told him when he went to NC that she wanted a separation (that's why he seemed distant and uninvolved.) She told him she was moving to NC and taking the girls.

I think the pain of of the thought of losing SW and the girls seemed to CW to be unendurable. He had one last weekend alone with the children while she was in AZ, and he stewed over it.

I think when she got back, he begged her not to go, and she told him she was sure she wanted a divorce and she was going to start packing for the move. I think they got into an argument or fight, and I don't have to explain what happened next. Alternatively, if he knew she was coming back only to leave again, the pain may have caused him to harm the daughters before she arrived.

It wasn't really premeditated, other than it was something that had occurred to him and he couldn't get out of his mind. The fear and pain of separation haunted him and drove him to do the unspeakable.

Afterward, he "stored" and "preserved" the children at a place that was near to his heart--at an oilfield site in a beautiful field of wildflowers.

So that's it---pain of separation of something he deeply loved.

ETA: He blamed the daughter's deaths on SW because he could not admit, even to himself, the unspeakable act that he had committed.

(No, this wasn't an appropriate response by him. He should have sought professional help.)

 

[MKZoo]

I don’t know where the idea that C.W. tried to protect SW by hiding the bodies came from, but there has been nothing as far as I have heard, to that effect. I would remember that, because I would have found the notion hilarious in its stupidity. I can’t imagine anyone has said that, and it doesn’t make any sense to me either.

It was suggested several threads back along with some other strange notions like we could tell SW was unstable because she had evil eyes. Total nonsense, imo.

 

[brookryn]

You said not to respond, but I can’t help myself.

You are looking at this through the eyes of a normal person. You understand pain, loss, love, and have empathy for others.

There is a segment of the population that doesn’t feel these things, atleast in the same way that you or I do.

They care only for themselves, and their own gratification. Life is about them, and less about those around them.

I’m speaking in a general sense, but some people don’t value human life like the rest of us.

I concur with all of this! Some people just are not good people, no matter how hard some pretend to be.

 

[MassGuy]

I understand your words. But I am having a difficult time with this explanation..this man, and this woman, BOTH appear to love their children. They remind me of every young couple I know. Personally, I might better understand a snap! From either one, or from both. Preplanning, and the implied darkness of the soul, are just hard to fathom. If only there was a believable reason! No way does a guy or a gal just kill their family so they can be free. Okay, I'll quit posting my indignation. Lip zipped.

Sadly, this type of thing has been documented throughout history.

If someone truly “snaps,” it generally ends in a suicide, or a quick surrender. Ronald Gene Simmons for example, killed 16 members of his own family, before he ultimately surrendered without a fight. You don’t usually see someone “snap” and then carry out a coverup, like this case, so it is a bit unusual.

There are no easy answers as to how anyone could do this, but the reality is that it happens, and far more often than it should (one is too many of course).

 

[Layla123]

How in fact does a person actually premeditate killing his/her children? Do they actually think of this? How could they? I am not being facetious. Gee, I think tonight will be the night? Hmm, how will I do this? What will I Say? Please, don't anyone answer this. I don't believe I can handle the answer.

How can a father climb up 20’ of stairs, one hand on the rail, carrying the stiff, dead body of his child, two times? This is not a normal person!

 

[JudgeJudi]

I am so confused? How did they have a play date on the day of the murders?

The playdate took place in the afternoon on 12 August. It obviously couldn't have been the 13th as the family had been reported missing on that date.