Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #25

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Excellent post maeleemae.

(And I'm sorry you had to deal with such a bad previous experience.)

Personally, I agree with your observations 100%. Please know, I am not victim bashing as SW most certainly did not deserve to meet this end. I don’t care how much pressure he was under, all he had to do was walk away, but he didn’t. The saddest damned story.
 
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CNMs absolutely can determine what is safe and isn't safe. LOL

Seriously, people. If you don't know what you're talking about just try to stick to topics you understand. CNMs are medical professionals with masters degrees. MASTERS. Same as a nurse practitioner who writes your script for you or treats you in an office or emergency room.

Lawdy.


Thank you
 
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Thank you, @LadyO. I had researched the same data and completely concur with your findings that U of M does not have a Chemical Engineering degree in their broad curriculum. To work as an Operator in the field, a Chem. Eng. degree would not be required or needed. However, his NASCAR mechanical training would have added to his skill level. All MOO.

One of the VIs said he did not have a degree in Chem Eng.
 
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Hi I'm brand new but I want everybody to look up Manling Williams case from California very similar but it's the mother who's having the affair and horribly kills her little boys and her husband possible insight...having affair and wants a new start, so SAD!!!
:) Welcome to Websleuths, @Noreen McGurl ! :)
Thanks for joining us!​
 
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As for this not being a high risk pregnancy- her dx of Lupus automatically makes it so. However, that does not MEAN her pregnancies will or have had any complications due to Lupus. It simply means she'd have extra monitoring just in case those complications would arise.

I have diabetes. I am high risk. I have had ZERO complications from my diabetes. I have been fully diet-controlled throughout my pregnancy. I get a lot of ultrasounds to check my son's size, and I get NSTs now to make sure I don't develop placental failure. The vast majority of diabetic mothers have uncomplicated and healthy deliveries. This does not mean they didn't have a high risk pregnancy, just that they had an uncomplicated one.
 
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Thank you. I keep trying but, Honestly, I took a really long break from websleuths, I came back for this case. I'm not sure why I took a break the first time, I'm thinking now it may have been the victim bashing. I, honestly can't take it. This woman was a human being with faults like everyone else and she didn't deserve to die. If there was any evidence that she killed her children, , I could understand but the word of a killer?
CW saying that just shows the depths of his moral bankruptcy. Or maybe just the top layer...
 
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I don't know the set up of her mid-wife/obgyn practice, but mine were a shared office. In that office I saw the mid-wife's for most of my appointments, and the obgyn less often so they were all up to date on my pregnancies. Only my 2nd was high risk. Then at birth the mid-wife was my main attendant, but the obgyn was stuck in the hospital during my birth just in case. It gave us all peace of mind and the care I was looking for.
Just my experience.
My daughter delivered in a surgical operating room in case a c-section was needed. A neonatologist was also present along with two resident doctors. The OB dept does have a nurse-midwife program but it wasn't an option for high-risk patients because it is also high risk for the baby.
 
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We don't and won't know exactly how "high risk" this last pregnancy was considered. There is an increased risk with Lupus but not necessarily to the level of high-risk. Colorado has clear standards for midwives (who are highly trained professionals that, again, often work in conjunction with you own OB.) Here's a snippet of what consitutes "high risk" in CO:
G. The registered direct-entry midwife shall refer mothers for evaluation by a qualified licensed health
care provider and shall not continue as the primary care provider without the mother's
consultation with a health care provider when the following conditions are noted until the mother
has been assessed by the licensed health care provider and that provider has determined, based
upon generally accepted medical standards, the pregnant woman is not exhibiting signs or
symptoms of increased risk of medical or obstetrical or neonatal complications or problems during
the completion of her pregnancy, labor, delivery or the post partum period, and is not exhibiting
signs and symptoms of increased risk that her child may develop complications or problems
during the first 6 weeks of life:
1. urine glucose of 2+ or greater on two sequential visits or if other signs or symptoms of
gestational diabetes occur with the urine glucose;
2. hyperemesis beyond the 24th week of gestation;
3. hypertension - blood pressure greater than 140/90 or an increase from the baseline of greater
than 30 mm Hg in the systolic or 15 mm Hg in the diastolic pressure;
4. signs and symptoms of preeclampsia including but not limited to persistent edema, increased
blood pressure or proteinuria, increased reflexes, persistent headaches, epigastric pain
or, visual disturbances;
5. seizures;
6. vaginal bleeding after 20 weeks;
7. signs and symptoms of urinary infections or sexually transmitted disease;
8. oral temperature in excess of 101° F for more than 24 hours accompanied by other signs or
symptoms of clinically significant infection, or, which does not resolve within 72 hours;
9. laboratory results indicating need for medical treatment, for example, a positive culture;
10. anemia not responding to over the counter iron therapy as measured by Hemoglobin below
11 grams or Hematocrit below 34% at term;
11. signs and symptoms of polyhydramnios or oligohydramnios;
12. suspected fetal demise - lack of fetal movement, inability to auscultate fetal heart tones;
13. decreased fetal movements;
14. gestation longer than 42 weeks;
15. rupture of membranes for longer than 12 hours without labor;
16. premature labor - less than 37 weeks gestation;
17. active herpes;
18. intrauterine growth retardation; or
19. suspected abnormality of pelvis
https://www.sos.state.co.us/CCR/GenerateRulePdf.do?ruleVersionId=1650
 
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Thank you, @LadyO. I had researched the same data and completely concur with your findings that U of M does not have a Chemical Engineering degree in their broad curriculum. To work as an Operator in the field, a Chem. Eng. degree would not be required or needed. However, his NASCAR mechanical training would have added to his skill level. All MOO.
It has been confirmed by VI that CW did not have a Chemical Engineering degree.
 
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Christopher Watts, the man accused of killing his pregnant wife and two young daughters in August is apparently severely depressed after being kept in isolation after more than a month in jail.


A source at the Weld County Jail in Colorado confirmed that the 33-year-old murder defendant is now on suicide watch.

'He's not doing well at all,' a source told People. 'The gravity of the situation has hit him like a ton of bricks. Depression is setting in, and he's despondent.'

'Depression is setting in' for Chris Watts jailed for the death of his pregnant wife | Daily Mail Online
i have no sympathy for him. He put himself there.
 
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My daughter delivered in a surgical operating room in case a c-section was needed. A neonatologist was also present along with two resident doctors. The OB dept does have a nurse-midwife program but it wasn't an option for high-risk patients because it is also high risk for the baby.
Seems to be your experience, but may not have been Shanann's
 
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Because one of their parents killed them and the one taking them to multiple doctors and flying off the handle because MIL gave a child an ice cream treat is the one CW has accused of killing them. Pretty simple logic, really. JMO

Why do you think she 'flew off the handle?' Did she have a valid concern? I'd think she did if she saw that the drumstick had some nuts on top.

If my MIL went against my wishes, whatever they were, about my children' allergy triggers, and foods that she gave them, I'd be very upset.

My kids have my3 yr grand baby on a nearly Vegan diet. And she is not allowed to watch 'screens' ---cell phones, tablets or TV screens. She has been to the movies once or twice.

That is not at all how we raised our kids---but I would NEVER go against their wishes for how they want to raise their child. When I babysit I follow their strict instructions. And I know for a fact my DIL would 'fly off the handle' if I broke her rules. As she should.
 
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Hi I'm brand new but I want everybody to look up Manling Williams case from California very similar but it's the mother who's having the affair and horribly kills her little boys and her husband possible insight...having affair and wants a new start, so SAD!!!
Welcome Noreen! and thank you I definitely will have a look.
 
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I was taught that no matter what the situation is, to never let your emotions overpower your intelligence. Some need to take this advice. It’s not as clear cut as most crimes are. I think that’s why it’s so largely publicized, because it “seemed” like they had the fairytale life. Which we’re taught from childhood that to believe in the fairytale, it exists. Everyone wants that. And when it so tragically came crashing down, it terrifies everyone because they want/need to know why.

I question some of the things out there on SM, because I want to know the bigger full picture. Being a photographer, I’m a storyteller, you pay attention to the details. You tend to notice things most don’t. I’ve had a lot of trauma & loss in my life to last a lifetime, that I value life to it’s full extent. And I think no matter how hard life is, it’s worth fighting for. Which means, if I were on the jury, I’d want to make sure I had zero doubts before I possibly condemned a man to death. It’s a long shot that he could be telling the truth, because his actions & lies state otherwise. But in our country, in a court of law he is innocent until proven guilty. That means something to me. I’m thankful we have that right. And yes, I realize SW, BW, CCW, NW all had the right to live & it got taken away from them. It’s unspeakable. I’m not doubting SW loved her kids. I’m not calling her a liar, I have MS, so I know what having an autoimmune disease is like all too well.

But there’s quite a few on here that I would NOT want on my jury, because they’re not open to hearing any other scenario than one that fits anything other than what their opinion is. I thought WS was somewhere that all angles could be discussed without ridicule of opinions. It’s a sleuthing board for heck’s sake, don’t be upset when something is pointed out that doesn’t fit your narrative. In a LE environment, they all pool opinions, lay it all out, along with evidence. It happens in the medical field too. Justice is what we should be looking for, not fighting over whose opinions are right/wrong.

ETA - MOO & sorry it’s so long.
 
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There is an allergy warning label for true nut allergies it is in the lemon Meringue bar. You can google the image and see it and ingredients . The video is of her daughter tasting it for the first time .

But if you read the label, there is coconut, not the same nuts her girl is allergic too. So she may have felt it was OK for her to try.
 
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The daily visits have been explained several times as allergy test visits by people who have had them themselves.

Exactly.

And: there was only coconut in those bars, which many people who have tree nut allergies are NOT allergic to

And: SW referenced a doctor more than once regarding her pregnancy

But don’t let facts get in the way of a good story.
 
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Christopher Watts, the man accused of killing his pregnant wife and two young daughters in August is apparently severely depressed after being kept in isolation after more than a month in jail.


A source at the Weld County Jail in Colorado confirmed that the 33-year-old murder defendant is now on suicide watch.

'He's not doing well at all,' a source told People. 'The gravity of the situation has hit him like a ton of bricks. Depression is setting in, and he's despondent.'

'Depression is setting in' for Chris Watts jailed for the death of his pregnant wife | Daily Mail Online
Good! Now they ought to hang the photos of his dead daughters covered in crude oil all over his cell walls.
 
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Very interesting thankyou Kathryn. Have often puzzled why no neighbour seemed to witness noises ( eg a fight) despite that 4am(?) neighbour mentioning doh howl ( maybe in the garage so less sound protected? I have no idea on latter, just throwing that in. )
No expertice here but I can say the house we built in 1997 had R30 in the ceiling and also a very high value in the walls too. No not soundproof, but wondering if muffles sound. SW had a long video on facebook where it was very quiet inside and continued to tape after stepping outside where construction noise, traffic, and airplanes were heard. The wind was still very loud through the windows, so maybe sounds in the house go out as well, not sure. Also cannot get the thought out of my head that the distressed dog call may have been human sounds.
 
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