Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #46

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  • #561
Maybe something like, "That ******* NUA. This is all her fault. If only ..."

It was a perfect storm of karma against him that everything fell perfectly against him into place. From NUA, to the Thayers, to the 3 camera interviewers, to the police entering after the call, to the quick LE work.

Karma hit him hard.
 
  • #562
The source said, “There was some yelling, and some crying but eventually he acknowledged that his life was over after he killed Shan’ann”.
Some of us posted about that particular article, apparently sourced to someone close to CW, and IMO, an apologist. The source seemed to be presenting CW's dilemma, say you killed them all or die.
And that he was in anguish because he didn't want to die.
The part I clipped in your article above, shows partly why I think that.

"he acknowledged that his life was over after he killed Shan’ann" said the source.

Anyone else see something wrong with that statement? Something missing?

To me the source is saying exactly what the apologists were saying right here on the board, that he had no options... no one would believe him.

Maybe I'm just too suspicious, but there is something hinky about what message this "source" is trying to get across.
 
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  • #563
These kind of domestic murders are frequently described as a man "snapping" without warning but that tends to be a myth.

What got me thinking is that the male AP said that CW made statements about SW being abusive, painting himself as a victim. That he couldn't escape her. One VI said he liked SW at times but seemed to indicate she had another side.

Was this projection?

What had CW been saying about SW to other people? e.g. his other AP?

And what had SW been saying to NUA over drinks and a late night flight?

People interpret SW's OTT lovey dovey-ness (FB posts etc) as evidence of her being a fake - but what if she was the one coerced? If she was the one made to feel insecure?

I would not be surprised to learn of an emotionally abusive relationship here.

Especially NUA's conduct on Monday morning. Maybe she was worried SW was passed out in bed in the house having a health crisis.

But who rings the police if the Husband says she is out?

Intuition?

or something more?

You may be right about the SW/CW dynamics, but if so they hid it well. Nobody knew. Including NAU. She didn't call the police just because SW's husband said she was out She started out concerned about SW's health when she missed a meeting and didn't answer her phone. She went by the house to check on her but though she had a key NAU couldn't get in because both doors were locked from the inside. The only other way out of the house was through the garage, but SW's car was still there with the kids car seats in place. So she called CW who told her he thought SW was at a play date somewhere, but didn't remember w/who.

SW continued to miss other morning appointents, so NAU went back to the house where all physical indications still suggesting SW never left the house. NAU called Chris again and asked him to come home to check on SW and the girls. This time he told he was too busy to come home but not to worry because he and SW had separated and she probably just left or something. When the next door neighbor told NAU her security camera showed CW backing his truck into the garage around 5:00 a.m, driving away about 15 minutes later and no sign of Shanann NAU called CW a third time, When he still didn't want to come home, THEN she called the police.

One of the most disturbing things about the murders is nobody saw it coming. Shanann shared a lot with her friends but not once did she express concern for her own safety or that of the girls. Some people who knew the couple thought CW was quiet and maybe shy, but nobody thought he was dangerous or even had a temper. Maybe they had garden-variety marriage issues but nothing unusual or alarming. If there were red flags, everyone missed them.
 
  • #564
No rumors, everyone. And you all must stop talking about other posters. These are TOS violations.

There are no winners in this incredibly sad case. A family was destroyed with violence and the living victims will likely never recover emotionally or psychologically.
 
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  • #565
You may be right about the SW/CW dynamics, but if so they hid it well. Nobody knew. Including NAU. She didn't call the police just because SW's husband said she was out She started out concerned about SW's health when she missed a meeting and didn't answer her phone. She went by the house to check on her but though she had a key NAU couldn't get in because both doors were locked from the inside. The only other way out of the house was through the garage, but SW's car was still there with the kids car seats in place. So she called CW who told her he thought SW was at a play date somewhere, but didn't remember w/who.

SW continued to miss other morning appointents, so NAU went back to the house where all physical indications still suggesting SW never left the house. NAU called Chris again and asked him to come home to check on SW and the girls. This time he told he was too busy to come home but not to worry because he and SW had separated and she probably just left or something. When the next door neighbor told NAU her security camera showed CW backing his truck into the garage around 5:00 a.m, driving away about 15 minutes later and no sign of Shanann NAU called CW a third time, When he still didn't want to come home, THEN she called the police.

One of the most disturbing things about the murders is nobody saw it coming. Shanann shared a lot with her friends but not once did she express concern for her own safety or that of the girls. Some people who knew the couple thought CW was quiet and maybe shy, but nobody thought he was dangerous or even had a temper. Maybe they had garden-variety marriage issues but nothing unusual or alarming. If there were red flags, everyone missed them.
Thank you for this information. I wish everyone knew this so they would finally stop questioning why NUA was checking in on her so soon that day. Her concern for her friend shows what an exceptional person she is truely.
 
  • #566
I hope he relives every bit of that night, every night when he closes his eyes. And remembers the video where his sweet baby sang he was her hero. I hope it eats at him.

Who could ever forget Bella singing that song. It haunts me every day, as do seeing pics of that cheeky little Cece with the biggest smile on her face. How he could have committed these crimes is simply beyond evil.

I believe in karma and hope he never has peace of mind for the rest of his miserable life.
 
  • #567
I am envisioning the conversation between him and the attorney...

Atty: You should really take this plea they're offering.
Snipped by me for brevity.

I realize you acknowledge this at the end of your post, BUT: the prosecution did NOT offer a plea, the defence made the first & subsequent approach/offer(s), as was made clear by the DA in yesterday’s presser.

IMO, the evidence (including but not limited to autopsy reports) is overwhelming & we will see/hear about (some of) it either at the sentencing hearing and/or in subsequent releases by the DA.

This is JMO.
 
  • #568
He will be sentenced Nov. 19. There will be a little drama that day. People will ‘talk’ here and there for a few months afterwards. Saying this or that. We’ll get more info. Some truth, some who knows what. But most will move on from the drama and this nightmare. He will sit in prison and do and think whatever until he dies ir takes his own life. All who can, I wish peace and moving on with life and being happy. Enough.
 
  • #569
Whoa, I did NOT see this coming, I have a lot of catching up to do!
 
  • #570
Sentencing is in 12 days (Nov 19th). I would like to see the thread stay open so let’s all try to stay within TOS :)
 
  • #571
I am envisioning the conversation between him and the attorney...

Atty: You should really take this plea they're offering.
CW: But I didn't kill the girls.
Atty: You initially lied about where they were.
CW: I was in denial, still in shock over what had happened.
Atty: You hid their bodies in an oil tank.
CW: I panicked! I wasn't thinking straight!
Atty: You placed their mother in a shallow grave.
CW: I knew people wouldn't understand!
Atty: You changed the original story you gave to LE.
CW: I didn't know what I was saying the first time!
Atty: You smiled and laughed in televised interviews, all the while knowing your family was dead.
CW: It was nervous laughter!
Atty: You stated that you saw your daughter blue on the baby monitor. You monitor is black and white.
CW: I meant that she was pale!
Atty: The day after she supposedly killed your children, you wore a shirt that your murderous wife bought for you. You wore it on television.
CW: It was just the first thing I grabbed from the closet!
Atty: The Thayers say you were more concerned about how you looked on television than in hearing ideas about how you could search for your family.
CW: I was emotionally drained!
Atty: Your own friends turned you into the police the day after you spent the night with them.
CW: They were confused!
Atty: your internet searches from the day before included phrases like "how long does it take to strangle someone"
CW: It was for a friend!
Atty: We have proof that you were having an affair. That gives you motive.
CW: I was going to end that, I swear!
Atty: Your handprints are around their necks.
CW: Well...
Atty: The girls' time of death is 4 hours before your wife even got home.
CW: Okay, I see where you're going with this...

Now clearly some of those things are just hypothetical, but I can totally see how CW thought he could bs his way through a trial and that people would buy his story. The fact that the defense, his own attorneys, approached the prosecutor for a plea says loads. At some point even CW realized he was screwed. I am anxious to hear the rest of the evidence.
Yes.... OR, his lawyers finally sat him down and gave him a very serious talking to: "Look, Chris, we have done a lot of investigating and just about everyone on Websleuths thinks you are lying through your teeth. It's time to throw in the towel."
 
  • #572
He will be sentenced Nov. 19. There will be a little drama that day. People will ‘talk’ here and there for a few months afterwards. Saying this or that. We’ll get more info. Some truth, some who knows what. But most will move on from the drama and this nightmare. He will sit in prison and do and think whatever until he dies ir takes his own life. All who can, I wish peace and moving on with life and being happy. Enough.

I find myself wanting to ask murderers "was it worth it"? did you really think you would get away with murdering your entire family? now you will die in prison where you belong---when all you had to do was get a damn divorce---
 
  • #573
DA Rourke answered some questions after the presser. I’ve transcribed most of the questions together with his responses. Some of the questions were difficult to hear.

‘Sandi said very, very poignantly to me. She said that, “He made the choice to take those lives. I do not want to be in a position of making a choice to take his”.’

Q. Chris Watts first said Shan’ann actually killed the two little girls. What was his story when he changed his mind and were they killed before Shan’ann got home?
A. I don’t know the answer to that question. We talked a lot about whether we would require him to come forward and give us what we believed to be a complete, accurate and truthful statement. I think all of those who were involved never truly believed that he would give us an accurate statement. What I can tell you most affirmatively today by what happened in the courtroom is the spotlight that he tried to shine on Shan’ann falsely, incorrectly, and frankly a flat out lie, has been corrected. The spotlight shines directly where it belongs, on him.

Q. What’s the status of the autopsy reports?
A. Those are still sealed at this point. I need to have a conversation with the Coroner’s office, with Shan’ann’s family and the County Attorney representing the Coroner’s office about what point in time those will become a public record. We are not assuming that the sentencing hearing goes the way that we believe that it will and goes forward. We will not be asking that those be kept sealed any longer after the sentencing hearing.

Q. Was it just a matter of the death penalty to get the guilty pleas?
A. You’d have to ask them. All I can tell you is the discussions we had with them, and frankly the discussions that Mr Wren (? sp.) we had with the Rzucek family, made it very clear that there was not gonna be no further concession. I didn’t feel like this was a case where it was appropriate to agree to dismiss some counts in exchange for a plea of guilty to others because we charged him with what we truly believed he’d done at the time we filed that complaint, and I was not willing to entertain any further concessions above and beyond removing the death penalty from consideration.

Q. During your investigation, did you ever get a motive from Chris Watts?
A. Ask me again in two and a half weeks or – the day after the day of sentencing I’ll be happy to answer that question. At this point that’s getting a little bit too far into the investigation at least as we sit right now. We believe that we have a partial motive. I’m not sure if it’s the entirety of the motive but I’ll be happy to comment on that after the sentencing hearing.

Q. Will Chris Watts be in solitary confinement?
A. I don’t know. I don’t know the answer to that. Whether or not he’s in solitary confinement, where he serves his time, whether it be – in what DOC facility in the State of Colorado or if he’s one who’s transferred to another state is left to the discretion of the Executive Director of the Department of Corrections.

… He deserves a life sentence for each and every act on top of one another. In practicality, it doesn’t make a difference in terms of how long he’s ultimately gonna serve, but what he needs to understand is he will be serving 3 consecutive life sentences plus a sentence for Nico because of the acts that he committed against all four of them. It is important that each of those beautiful human beings be reflected in the ultimate sentence that will be imposed.

Q. Have you ever had a case like this resolved so soon into the investigation?
A. No.

DA speaks following Chris Watts guilty plea
Thank you for transcribing the Q and A, JJ. Although the DA said he will answer the question about motive, I’m not overly optimistic about getting a lot of answers to our questions after sentencing. I’ve been down this road before and I sure hope I’m wrong and this DA comes through. MOO
 
  • #574
I find myself wanting to ask murderers "was it worth it"? did you really think you would get away with murdering your entire family? now you will die in prison where you belong---when all you had to do was get a damn divorce---

Yes! I wonder this too. I bet he has massive regret. But only for the position he finds himself in now.

Just, why would anyone think this is an option? How does it even enter ones head in the first place that this is an option? I don’t get it.
 
  • #575
Some of us posted about that particular article, apparently sourced to someone close to CW, and IMO, an apologist. The source seemed to be presenting CW's dilemma, say you killed them all or die.
And that he was in anguish because he didn't want to die.
The part I clipped in your article above, shows partly why I think that.

"he acknowledged that his life was over after he killed Shan’ann" said the source.

Anyone else see something wrong with that statement? Something missing?

To me the source is saying exactly what the apologists were saying right here on the board, that he had no options... no one would believe him.

Maybe I'm just too suspicious, but there is something hinky about what message this "source" is trying to get across.
I don't put that much importance in who or what the source says. We know the facts, and that's all that matters. Imo
 
  • #576
Thanks to @PrimeSuspect for info on Deiter. Sounds like he is adjusting. O/T but I have a chihuahua mix pup and they can be super annoying lol.

Where is @Jennifer17 ?

As I suspected, I dreamed last night of Shanann and the girls.

So glad this is the outcome.
 
  • #577
I don't put that much importance in who or what the source says. We know the facts, and that's all that matters. Imo
Yes! I wonder this too. I bet he has massive regret. But only for the position he finds himself in now.

Just, why would anyone think this is an option? How does it even enter ones head in the first place that this is an option? I don’t get it.

Thing is, normal people don't think like a sociopath-- so we as normal people could never understand how murder v. divorce enters into one's head in the first place-- i mean think of killers like Susan Smith- she killed her kids because her boyfriend didn't want kids, so her solution, was okay, I'll get rid of the kids: who thinks like that? sociopaths do--- we of course cannot understand that thought process-- I think someone like Chris Watts sees people as obstacles getting in the way of what they want so what do they do? get rid of the obstacle in their way without blinking an eyelash. they just do it. It's like spouses who kill their spouse to get insurance money: so they think: i need money, i have an insurance policy on my husband but he is still here and alive (an obstacle)- so what does the spouse do? they kill the spouse- because that spouse is in the way of their getting money, which is what they want. It is mind boggling
 
  • #578
You may be right about the SW/CW dynamics, but if so they hid it well. Nobody knew. Including NAU. She didn't call the police just because SW's husband said she was out She started out concerned about SW's health when she missed a meeting and didn't answer her phone. She went by the house to check on her but though she had a key NAU couldn't get in because both doors were locked from the inside. The only other way out of the house was through the garage, but SW's car was still there with the kids car seats in place. So she called CW who told her he thought SW was at a play date somewhere, but didn't remember w/who.

SW continued to miss other morning appointents, so NAU went back to the house where all physical indications still suggesting SW never left the house. NAU called Chris again and asked him to come home to check on SW and the girls. This time he told he was too busy to come home but not to worry because he and SW had separated and she probably just left or something. When the next door neighbor told NAU her security camera showed CW backing his truck into the garage around 5:00 a.m, driving away about 15 minutes later and no sign of Shanann NAU called CW a third time, When he still didn't want to come home, THEN she called the police.

One of the most disturbing things about the murders is nobody saw it coming. Shanann shared a lot with her friends but not once did she express concern for her own safety or that of the girls. Some people who knew the couple thought CW was quiet and maybe shy, but nobody thought he was dangerous or even had a temper. Maybe they had garden-variety marriage issues but nothing unusual or alarming. If there were red flags, everyone missed them.
I guess there was a whole lot more than anger that he held inside. Sounds to me like a typical psychopath or at least family annihilator, from everything we have read about it. Jmo
 
  • #579
That was the best quote from the news conference.

I am so relieved that Shanann's family does not have to sit through a trial listening to the defense assassinate her character.
I was stunned yesterday to read this news but am so grateful and relieved. I will never forget Travis Alexander’s poor family and the looks on their faces and their body language as they had to sit through the atrocity that was Jodi’s testimony. I believe I read that his brother in particular never really recovered from the horror of that experience.
 
  • #580
I was pleasantly surprised to see news of the plea yesterday. Am very interested in the partial motive.
 
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