Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #46

[Colorado303]

He appears to have at least an online connection/friendship to a guy who likes to insert himself into high-profile cases and stories and create frivolous lawsuits (over 2500 hundred of them) as a result.

oh my

 

[mtnlites]

We’ll have a better idea when info’s released 11/19 or 11/20, but I suspect they had enough evidence to charge him even w/o the TV interviews and confession. Likely they found even more damaging evidence when they went through phone and internet search records.

I think, too, that it's telling that the timing of the defense approaching prosecution correlates with the autopsy findings. My guess is that there was something pretty damning in them, possibly enough to to incriminate him on their own. The interviews certainly didn't help, of course.

 

[katydid23]

Because he knows that person does not incriminate him, though

True. But he took a selfie with the guy and posted it online. And there guy is a major con artist, hoaxer. So ?

 

[Tigerlily75]

He appears to have at least an online connection/friendship to a guy who likes to insert himself into high-profile cases and stories and create frivolous lawsuits (over 2500 hundred of them) as a result.

That’s what made me especially dubious. Later though I wondered if they already had that connection, or if that person sought out TB after the fact. TB could be a little naive. I don’t know.

 

[LittleFleurDeLys]

Your information for their debt and income is outdated. And who cares how much SHE spent on her business? How about the amount HE spent on his affair partners? He accompanied her on most of her business trips so I don't understand why people comment on how she spent so much time away from her kids. He was with her most of the time, why ignore that? For that matter, he was away from them for 5 weeks;SW was never away for more than just a few days. He cheated on her with multiple people; she provided him with a clean home, beautiful children, fun work trips, and enough pre-prepared meals to feed him for 5 weeks while she was away.

I am not real sure what the price of their home vs the price of homes in your area has to do with motive, either.

Many families go through financial struggles and stressors. That's life. They don't all wind up dead. However he reacted to such things is on him, not her. She may have been dominant, which is not a bad thing, but she did NOT control his thoughts and actions.

SW is not responsible for her husband's actions.

Personal responsibility for her and her children's deaths does not lie on her shoulders. He was an adult man with freewill. Whatever problems he may have had with her (IF there were any at all) is one thing, but he didn't stop with killing her-he literally murdered his own children. Toddlers. And not in a quick, humane way, either.

Perhaps he had a personality disorder. Maybe he had a mental illness. Or maybe he was just a jerk with rage. None of that was SW's fault.

He had other options. He chose not to accept them.

I wish I could like your post 100000 times and plaster the entire net with it!! You found just the right words!!! SO TRUE!! HE IS THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS ACTIONS AND NOBODY ELSE ON THIS PLANET! And same goes for every other human. Thank you for this posting!

 

[mrjitty]

What stands out to me with this "perfect dad" is that strangling is an especially personal form of murder but commonly seen in domestic scenarios as it is a method of incapacitating the victim - i.e usually the female and often connected with sexual violence.

Will be interesting to know if the mode of attack was asphyxiation? e.g with ligature?

Again this is also a common mode of child fatality (another being direct blows) but thus involves premeditation as compared to an angry blow struck in a rage

Something I wondered about from the strange text of his porch interview was whether this started as a rape.

5:51 – 5:55 – It wasn’t like an argument, we had an emotional conversation but I’ll leave it at that.

IMO the first half of the statement is significant - what was it like?

…she… barely let me , she barely got… barely gotten into bed pretty much.

Overall I am not a fan of statement analysis. But as someone who writes a lot of dialogue for people, I do think it is interesting to take note of what word selections people make.

What was he going to say there?

I think his idea was to say he left early at 5.15 so he barely saw her - but he seems to speak from actual memory there...

Sometimes these cases are just mundane and I do wonder if her arriving late (why is 1.48 so critical to him?) led to an assault.

Became a flashpoint.

Lets see later in the month I guess

 

[Tigerlily75]

What stands out to me with this "perfect dad" is that strangling is an especially personal form of murder but commonly seen in domestic scenarios as it is a method of incapacitating the victim - i.e usually the female and often connected with sexual violence.

Will be interesting to know if the mode of attack was asphyxiation? e.g with ligature?

Again this is also a common mode of child fatality (another being direct blows) but thus involves premeditation as compared to an angry blow struck in a rage

Something I wondered about from the strange text of his porch interview was whether this started as a rape.



IMO the first half of the statement is significant - what was it like?



Overall I am not a fan of statement analysis. But as someone who writes a lot of dialogue for people, I do think it is interesting to take note of what word selections people make.

What was he going to say there?

I think his idea was to say he left early at 5.15 so he barely saw her - but he seems to speak from actual memory there...

Sometimes these cases are just mundane and I do wonder if her arriving late (why is 1.48 so critical to him?) led to an assault.

Became a flashpoint.

Lets see later in the month I guess

I think 1.48 was a sticking point for him, because he had been so horrified to learn of the neighbors surveillance camera. He was freaking out. LE had already checked the camera, and knew SW arrived home at exactly 1.48am.

They also knew she never left.

Everything was going so wrong for him at that point. So, so wrong.

Hence his mention of there being no cameras out the back. And his suggestion maybe a “friend with car seats” picked her up out the back.

The panic he must have been feeling at this point!

 

[mtnlites]

I think 1.48 was a sticking point for him, because he had been so horrified to learn of the neighbors surveillance camera. He was freaking out. LE had already checked the camera, and knew SW arrived home at exactly 1.48am.

They also knew she never left.

Everything was going so wrong for him at that point. So, so wrong.

Hence his mention of there being no cameras out the back. And his suggestion maybe a “friend with car seats” picked her up out the back.

The panic he must have been feeling at this point!

Honestly, the visible sign of his panic when the dogs start barking is one of the highlights of this case for me. I don't normally get emotionally invested in cases, but I have a special kind of anger towards him. I hope his blood was running cold with icy fear during that interview. The idea of him never having another moment's peace after their murders might be small solace in the scheme of things, but it's something.

 

[Nudgee]

They were doing their job and well. They worked all angles. They held the state accountable for not violating the defendant's constitutional rights and they forced the state to begin to prove its case.

They didn't donone thing that's as frivolous. It was all strategic and I really applaud the defense team.

I think it came down to they showed him the evidence, told him what it meant and that the chances of him not being found guilty of first degree murder of all three was practically nonexistent. They told him what trial would be like. They told him the last thing he could control was this outcome.

And I guess he believed them.

I think they did right by their client on all accounts. And it would take something insanely major for him to be allowed to withdraw his plea at this stage.

I am so happy for the defense team ..... had this gone to trial and dragged on for years, I’m sure it would take a toll on their families as well. Good for them for getting CW to plea. I could not even imagine being “assigned” this case and having to defend him. I’m sure they are relieved as well.

 

[kaykay543]

It is not about CW. I don’t want to get into details; I truly enjoy the fact that this forum is free of politics or religion.

So - let us put it so. I understand why CW came to the hearing in a bullet-proof vest. (A coward! No, he’ll never kill himself in the prison).

But the fact that we are calmly discussing the fact that maybe CW will be killed in prison by an inmate since, sadly, he avoided death penalty, seems somewhat unethical to me. This being said, I am as angry with CW as anyone else.

I don’t want to attack anyone who thinks otherwise, btw. I recognize that the people have the right to feel this way after what he’s done. I wish all killers of young children or babies were brought to justice. It is very sad that it does not always happen. Some cases might never be solved.

It is more of a global issue, not specifically CW.

I agree he will never commit suicide. Too much of a narcassist and a coward. IMO he will adjust quickly to prison life. Its right up his alley as he will never have to try to make a decision on his own again.

I still stand by he planned this in advance while SW was gone for 6 weeks. CW taking down his FB page was part of that plan.

I am a bit surprised for all the sympathy given here to the AP. She did knowingly have an affair with a married man with small children. While I don't think she had anything to do with the murders; she gets zero sympathy from me.

My sympathy is for SW and her family that have to try to pick up the pieces and move on without their beautiful girls and grandson.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Here's a sweet little tribute to Shan'ann, Bella, CeCe and Nico.

 

[violet101]

Here's a sweet little tribute to Shan'ann, Bella, CeCe and Nico.

Man that was hard to watch

 

[ReckoningDay]

I agree he will never commit suicide. Too much of a narcassist and a coward. IMO he will adjust quickly to prison life. Its right up his alley as he will never have to try to make a decision on his own again.

I still stand by he planned this in advance while SW was gone for 6 weeks. CW taking down his FB page was part of that plan.

I am a bit surprised for all the sympathy given here to the AP. She did knowingly have an affair with a married man with small children. While I don't think she had anything to do with the murders; she gets zero sympathy from me.

My sympathy is for SW and her family that have to try to pick up the pieces and move on without their beautiful girls and grandson.

I don't have sympathy for the AP either. She had no business getting involved with a married man. And to anyone who says "well maybe she thought he was single"
I'm not buying that. It would have taken minimal effort to discover his marital status. No, I do NOT hold her responsible for the murders, but IMHO if she is embarrassed, that serves her right.

 

[sun16]

Against better judgement, I'm going to hope for a miracle.

Hope to see him stand up, tell the truth, even just abbreviated truth of what happened, apologize to each and every family member and loved ones, beg for forgiveness and tell them he doesn't deserve their forgiveness, and show deep remorse.

12 days to go.
I'll prepare myself for the worst too though.

I just don’t think he could emotionally handle that speech, even if short. And too, I don’t think he’s sorry. But let’s see.

 

[JudgeJudi]

My gut feeling from the start is that the girls were gone before SW got home, and that he was essentially laying in wait for her. I don’t know if we’ll ever know.

I’d like to know what the girls were wearing - pajamas or day clothes. Horrific to even think about.

I'd also like to know if their blankets were ever found.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I am so happy for the defense team ..... had this gone to trial and dragged on for years, I’m sure it would take a toll on their families as well. Good for them for getting CW to plea. I could not even imagine being “assigned” this case and having to defend him. I’m sure they are relieved as well.

And probably good for the family that they didn't mortgage their house and cash in their IRA and 401K to get him a lawyer who is high-profile. If they did, that lawyer would never have settled so soon, and would have drug it out for a long time for cash flow?

 

[JudgeJudi]

More will be explained, just how much psycopathy there was, after autopsy results are made public ( if ever.)

DA Rourke said after the presser:

"Those are still sealed at this point. I need to have a conversation with the Coroner’s office, with Shan’ann’s family and the County Attorney representing the Coroner’s office about what point in time those will become a public record. We are not assuming that the sentencing hearing goes the way that we believe that it will and goes forward. We will not be asking that those be kept sealed any longer after the sentencing hearing".

 

[kaykay543]

I don't have sympathy for the AP either. She had no business getting involved with a married man. And to anyone who says "well maybe she thought he was single"
I'm not buying that. It would have taken minimal effort to discover his marital status. No, I do NOT hold her responsible for the murders, but IMHO if she is embarrassed, that serves her right.

Since she is a coworker she had to know that he was married with kids. I would say more but don't want to get in trouble (I don't think her name and work position has been "officially" released) I do think he told her that he and SW split when SW went home for 6 weeks. He had to know she was going to see him on TV when his family went "missing". I suspect there are very incriminating texts on his phone.

Had to add this it fits CW to a T!

You will never get the truth out of a Narcissist. The closest you will ever come is is a story that either makes them the victim or the hero, but never the villain - Shannon Alder

 

[JudgeJudi]

How much do you think where the girls were found, (I can't type it) might affect cause of death / time of death? And can the autopsies give an idea of the TOD for SW vs the girls?

While gastric emptying is an imprecise science, if there was nothing at all in their stomachs at autopsy, it would be fairly safe to assume they were murdered before Shan’ann arrived home at 2:00 a.m. That's really all we want to know ... did he do it before she got home or after.

 

[SweetPeas56]

You will probably be disappointed. Like Scott Peterson, CW is the only one who knows everything that happened, and there are no laws requiring him to tell us anything. Rourke did seem willing to tell us what he knows, after the sentencing, and he must have had enough evidence to convince CW his best option was to admit guilt, but that’s as good as it’s going to get, unless, maybe there’s a chance they didn’t all die from strangulation, or something unexpected like that. I doubt Rourke will reveal much about the AP because she’s innocent and doesn’t deserve an onslaught of publicity that would probably ruin her life. Your best hope is if CW gives an interview and spills all, but don’t count on it, and even if he did, according to Rourke, it probably would be packed with self aggrandizing lies.

Eeggggggggsactly. I don't expect CW to speak any truths. MOO he pled guilty at least in part to avoid the worst truths from coming out in a public trial. He's resigned to being seen as guilty, but he's not going to dirty his already tarnished image any further. He'll still lie. I don't care about hearing from him. Also, when I see him in videos, he makes my stomach turn. I DO want to hear from the DA. That guy I like. Glad he was on this case. He made sure to stick CW with a charge for Nico, mentions Nico's name, and is obviously very respectful and aware of the family's feelings.