Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #47

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  • #501
I'll keep this general since I don't know any of CW's background/childhood history, but many, if not most, FAs never had to own their faults and mistakes in their lives. Many men who went on to kill their pregnant wives and/or their entire families had parents (mothers, in particular) who sheltered them to an absurd degree and protected their sons at all costs growing up. I hate to blame moms, truly I do, but FAs seem to be "products" of narcissistic mothering. David Temple is a great example (although he is not a true FA since he didn't harm his son physically, "just" his pregnant wife/unborn daughter). His mother and father, but especially his mother, to this day, think David hung the moon and the stars above. They overlooked all of his troubles growing up and swept them under the rug. He literally could do no wrong in their eyes. He was a football star (sort of) and they just would not or could not believe he was capable of horrific violence.

We have seen many other cases of grown men who murdered their pregnant wives and/or their entire families whose mothers go to their own graves believing their son didn't commit the murder(s). They have "fixed" everything for their son for so long, it can't be possible that their precious boy could do something so bad. It goes against the family's reputation and the image of their perfect son.

Denial is really powerful and narcissistic parenting is incredibly damaging. If junior can do no wrong in the eyes of his family, then how can he ever learn that actions have consequences? Mom will fix it. She always has.

Thank you so much for this insight!

Definitely saw it in SP's case.

I know there is a saying out there: "Only a mother could love him", and I guess it applies in this case.

I understand that it is a mother's instinct to love and protect her children, but that comes along with bestowing a sense of right and wrong, actions and consequences (responsibility) into the son/child.

Otherwise it may lead to terrible consequences.
MOO
 
  • #502
The alleged male AP said that CW told him he was " abused and trapped in a loveless marriage, trapped by the kids" so that was probably his standard spiel.
We have seen that CW's family did not like SW, so it follows it was all her fault...
Yes, the standard spiel when cheating. According to the Thayers, they were a very loving couple, holding hands, hugging, kissing on each other, that is not the body language of an unhappy martisge. It was in the last few months that changes were noticed.
 
  • #503
We will never understand why he didn't just leave them. His family would have supported that decision it seems.

Of course. Better than your only son dumping your grandchildren in oil containers. IMO
 
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I avoided watching Shanann's videos in the lead up to everything that has happened in the last few days. I saw a couple and saw nothing wrong with any dynamics, and then I got upset as she was ripped apart later.

Yesterday I had a look through some. I found myself smiling as I watched their family, even knowing that CW was a monster and what he did. Some of the moments they shared were infectious. I genuinely can not see how anything could have been construed differently.

We are all looking for answers on how this happened, but I don't think there is a single explanation that our brains could process.

This video though, this video just wrecked my heart. The spunk in this gorgeous, tiny human:
Shanann Watts
 
  • #506
Also I was thinking about what CW said on the porch: "She barely let me...."

Kiss her? Touch her? Talk to her? Explain?

I wonder if he had tried to initiate sex with her when she got home? And naturally, being pregnant and late and tired and over it, she brushed him off. Maybe the inkling of his affair also played a part. "Chris, can you NOT? I just want to go to sleep". Or, "No Chris, we need to talk about what you've been doing in the morning".

And she rolled over and he lay there seething, and playing through scenarios (that he had thought of before): "F**ken b**ch. Better off without her. She's nothing to me. Kill her. Do it. Kill her now". And he did it. And then, in his amped up, psycopathic state, he killed his daughters too.

Somehow, if he had killed his girls beforehand, I don't think she knew. A mother's screams at that would be absolutely piercing. I struggle to believe that nothing would have been heard. I think she was asleep and he overpowered her, she never had a chance.
 
  • #507
The alleged male AP said that CW told him he was " abused and trapped in a loveless marriage, trapped by the kids" so that was probably his standard spiel.
We have seen that CW's family did not like SW, so it follows it was all her fault...
That's news to me, haven't heard one single bit about his family!
 
  • #508
Don't worry. The threshold for appeals is super high. And they just keep filing the same things with the same allegations. And it has not worked. It will not work.
Kind of like flinging poo at the wall to see what sticks?
SP is going to (hopefully) spend the rest of his miserable, pathetic life in the slammer.
Couldn't happen to a "nicer" monster.:eek:
MOO
 
  • #509
I am just glad that a trial won't happen. I wonder if the defense just plain told CW, "It isn't happening". It was obvious that CW was telling lies, and the defense team just told him, "Take the deal, or you will be getting the death penalty". Not that prison is gonna be a great place for a baby killer.

He had a beautiful wife, beautiful children, and he just blew it all, for a roommate named, "Bubba". CW is definitely not the sharpest tool in the shed.
 
  • #510
Too bad McGinnis is dead, hopefully there are others to write as well as he did in Fatal Vision.

Several posters here have mentioned that they have read or even written a lot of true crime books. I wish someone would start a thread with recommendations. I found fatal vision only because of the parallels to the CW mass murders.
Great thought.
Also eager to read any recommendations.
 
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Is it one hour till the podcast? Do I just press the play button? Sorry, not done this before.
 
  • #513
I feel so bad for SW and CW parents, siblings and friends. Losing a family member or close friend is one of the hardest things a person will go through in life. Losing multiple family members or friends at the hands of another family member has to be a living hell. I would imagine each and every one of them is thinking this didn't need to happen. They are likely questioning if they did everything they could and there's a good chance they are feeling some level of guilt for not seeing any red flags. There's so much pain and suffering for years to come. I hope they all know or get to a point where they only blame CW for his actions and they are able to find peace within themselves. Nobody will ever be able to repay the loss they are suffering, but I know all of us following this thread would take it all away for them if we could.
 
  • #514
No one ever knows what occurs behind closed doors in a relationship.

And it’s been mentioned before that Shannan was ambitious, even pushy. And no one is completely to blame for a relationship failure.

I believe where things went terribly wrong is when the deceptive affairs began. Lying is a death knell in a relationship. Not the white lies we all tell but the big destructive ones.

Not that it matters now. What’s done is done. CW __________ his life away and the canvas of his life will contain no paint of happiness, peace or accomplishment. He will enter prison with nothing, and on his dying day he will leave the same way, with nothing.
 
  • #515
Is it one hour till the podcast? Do I just press the play button? Sorry, not done this before.

Wondering the same thing here. I kept trying to start it about an hour ago because I apparently can't figure how Mountain time translates to my time zone. :rolleyes:
 
  • #516
Wondering the same thing here. I kept trying to start it about an hour ago because I apparently can't figure how Mountain time translates to my time zone. :rolleyes:

10PM EST
8PM MST
9PM CST
7PM PST
 
  • #517
Here's an old article about the SP jurors and the boat. The judge would not declare a mistrial at the time, but Scott's legal team and family are still appealing.

Peterson trial jury rocks the boat – East Bay Times

The third full day of deliberations began with a couple of jurors hopping inside Peterson’s fishing boat and rocking back and forth to test its stability, an action that incited defense attorney Mark Geragos to demand a mistrial.

“At least two of the jurors were rocking around, and when I say rocking, I mean rocking,” Geragos said in a brief hearing after the viewing of the boat. Geragos asked the judge to declare a mistrial or at least allow him to play for the jury a defense-produced video demonstration of the boat’s stability, previously barred as evidence. The defense contention is that the boat would have capsized if Scott Peterson, as prosecutors believe, had tried to dump his pregnant wife Laci’s 153-pound body into San Francisco Bay.

Judge Delucchi denied both requests.

During Monday’s viewing, Delucchi reminded the jury that the boat was not in the water, it was on a trailer, and that they should consider that fact in their deliberations.

Geragos said the jurors’ actions in the boat amounted to an “experiment,” which the law prohibits. They are to only use the evidence presented in court in their deliberations.

Thank you for this update on SP liltexans.
 
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  • #519
One thing I have been thinking is that no matter how someone is raised, there is something very defective in someone who is so detached from their own children that they can murder them-- actually plan it out, even. It's bizarre and what we all cannot get our brains around. In looking at the categories of Family Annihilators, Chris Watts, like Chris Vaughn and Scott Peterson and many others named, seemed to act not out of rage, not out of revenge, not out of shame, but in what gets boxed as a desire for freedom. Yet Scott Peterson was enamored of a woman who HAD A KID already and he seemed ready to take on the role of daddy for HER child! I have read that early in an affair some men act as if almost drugged, and the height of that effect/,out dangerous period is at 6 weeks or so... it seems insane that these men would wipe out their families for women they knew for a matter of weeks, but that was the case for SP, and I think for CW as well. I think he was obsessed with his latest AP and saw a life with the boss's daughter that thrilled him. Sorry this got so long, musing aloud because I think the AP may be a bigger factor here than it would seem from the amount of time the affair went on. Thanks for hearing this out, just MOO, speculation only.
 
  • #520
Colorado303 and Nick Thayer won't be speaking in the podcast but both will speak after sentencing.
 
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