Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #47

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  • #921
I mentioned it before, It made me furious to see how they treated those videos. They are a golden tresure for Shannans family and friends, they are the only thing left and will preserve the memory of those 3 lives for generations to come who were denied to ever meet them.
 
  • #922
LOL! Actually, yesterday I was discussing with a friend about how interesting it would be to put CW, Jodi Arias, Scott Peterson, Jefferey MacDonald and some others together in a room and watch them for a while. See how they interact, what do they talk about, etc. We both thought it might be very revealing or a long, hostile silence!
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  • #923
The Nancy Grace podcast (linked earlier today) reports that he sobbed as soon as the judge addressed him on the first count and between every plea of guilty. Not just Cece. Where did the report come from that he only cried at the plea for Cece?
I think it came from the murder twitter feed from someone they got into the room. But I've seen it both ways.....yet only one murder insider was there. Could be some family member tried to smooth things out by saying, no, he cried for all of them. Hey we're not stupid, he's crying for his sorry azz which will never flirt again with a co-worker. Unless it's some co-worker in the prison laundry.
 
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  • #925
I found it hypocritical. to say the least, when there were self-righteous comments made about "presuming CW innocent until proven guilty", while those same statements along with ignoring facts and evidence of CW's guilt, PRESUMED SW guilty! Now we know the truth; CW is totally guilty on all counts! SW is totally innocent.
Absolutely, the irony and hypocrisy is over whelming, they refuse to keep an open mind about SW’s innocence.
 
  • #926
I don’t know if anyone has posted the latest from Scott Reisch as I haven’t been through the thread but here it is.

 
  • #927
I'm sure that LE has done a very thorough investigation, but I just can't help wondering if someone else in CW's life ever just "disappeared"? Back in NC for instance, and would an investigation extend to NC? We'll know more about the planning of the murders after the next hearing, but for now, it seems the planning wasn't bad and if it hadn't been for the late plane and NUA he probably would have gotten away with it for a much longer time. Did he have practice earlier in his life, like with a girlfriend? Perhaps someone who ridiculed him and was going to dump him? Did succeeding once make him feel he could succeed again? The whole thing is so horrible and hard to understand. What drove him to it and what made him think he could succeed?

Probably, not. He is not a serial killer.

I think he and SW had a relationship, neither good nor bad, just adequate. And then several things happened. SW started her selling business and got very busy, what with two young kids and working, she said, 65 hours a week. And CW, perhaps per her insistence, lost weight and turned from an average, slightly klutzy, guy, into a handsome man. That boosted his self-confidence. Also, he started noticing the way women and men looked at him and decided to explore it further.

Normally, SW might have noticed some time discrepancies of other unexplained things, caught CW lying, but she was on the meteoric ascent of her career. And then, he asked for another kid, how could she even imagine he was cheating?

So I think when she took this trip to NC, she was unaware of what was going on. It is only when CW visited them that she noticed something being wrong. But either did not want to pursue it, or hoped the new kid would mend things up.

I think that her trip to NC was the detrimental one. He is a loner and not the champion of pragmatic thinking. I suspect SW was his lifeline to the real, social world. With her gone, he was left with own thoughts and relationships and ended up with this weird plan, how fast, I don't know.

His thinking is flawed in some other ways, too. Why would one think that if love is gone, the family should be cemented by the third kid? It defies logic, but this is what CW is.
 
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  • #928
I found it hypocritical. to say the least, when there were self-righteous comments made about "presuming CW innocent until proven guilty", while those same statements along with ignoring facts and evidence of CW's guilt, PRESUMED SW guilty! Now we know the truth; CW is totally guilty on all counts! SW is totally innocent.
I expect those people who wanted to believe CW’s story are feeling quite bad about it now as I know I would. Hopefully it’s a lesson learned for them and they will be able to spot a family inialator (hope I spelt that right) when they see one, god forbid this kind of thing doesn’t ever happen to anyone again ! I think also because these types of murders are quite rare, some people just cannot or refuse to believe a man would murder his family , a seemingly on the surface normal looking man.
 
  • #929
That's going to be so hard to hear. He will be crying through it I think. Poor guy.
Are there rules as to what one can and can’t say or do during a victim impact statement? (e.g. cussing, standing in front of defendant, time limit, etc.)?
 
  • #930
I could not agree more. After the plea they seemed to take it personally, they have a need for her to be responsible. Excuse after excuse of why he might plead guilty and still be innocent.

Well, he is a star now. A celebrity. We are used to reading horrible things about celebrities, but we hold them up to a different standard. The press and tabloids treat them differently than mere mortals. So CW will have his own fan club no matter what.
 
  • #931
Are there rules as to what one can and can’t say or do during a victim impact statement? (e.g. cussing, standing in front of defendant, time limit, etc.)?
Not that I have ever heard, but I think it's common knowledge that you shouldn't swear in court. However, Chandra Levy's mother pointed a finger at the man convicted of murdering her daughter and yelled, " F@#! YOU! Turned out he wasn't the killer in the end.
 
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  • #932
There's a level of sexism and self-loathing coming from the people, all women that I witnessed, that were determined to slander and fabricate scenarios based on the words of an admitted killer. (He always admitted to having killed SW and Nico so why they thought him incapable of killing Bella and Cece is beyond me.) It's a reality in our world but this case really brought it to the forefront. Why do certain women feel compelled to believe a murderous male over an innocent female victim? I realized for some there's an element of fear in these cases because admitting that SW was just a regular, working mom trying to make a better life for her girls and family whose husband decided to slay them all opens up the reality that it could happen to them also. Yet this goes beyond that need to separate yourself. The number and level of openly venomous remarks was just appalling.
I was also shocked how the public turned on George after hearing Caseys lies about him.

She made people think George was actually responsible for Caylees death. :(
 
  • #933
Well, he is a star now. A celebrity. We are used to reading horrible things about celebrities, but we hold them up to a different standard. The press and tabloids treat them differently than mere mortals. So CW will have his own fan club no matter what.
There is no reasoning with the unreasonable. Imo
 
  • #934
Well, he is a star now. A celebrity. We are used to reading horrible things about celebrities, but we hold them up to a different standard. The press and tabloids treat them differently than mere mortals. So CW will have his own fan club no matter what.
He will be forgotten by the time I carve the Turkey for Thanksgiving and then head to Walmart to start my Black Friday Christmas shopping off. :)
 
  • #935
There is no reasoning with the unreasonable. Imo

On days like this, I think about flat-earthers.

A Very High Percentage of Young People Aren't Sure the World Is Round

"YouGov found that 84 percent of respondents "always believed the world is round," 5 percent used to be sure the world was round but have begun to doubt it, 2 percent used to be sure the world was flat but now have doubts, and 7 percent clicked the "other/not sure" box."

I think the breakdown about CW's guilt will be similar. And I think the farther from Colorado people live and the less they know about the case, the more normally would they regard the situation. At the same time, there is a certain group that has been primed by some, but not all, information, and started providing their own theories.
 
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  • #936
I must be crazy, I was always super nice to my son's g/fs and his two wives. I just figured, things would work out better that way, y'know????! :)

Right! I am very good to my SIL. I think she was extremely jealous. I was a SAHM, 4 kids in 4 years, it did not make financial sense to work and I wanted to be at home. My husband made enough for no financial stresses, we spent wisely, never borrowed a dime from anyone. Instead of being happy for us she asked me why I was so special I didn’t think I had to work. I just walked out of the room without saying a word. In her eyes she was looking out for her boy, if me bringing in a paycheck lightened his load then by golly I needed to put those babies in day care and get a job.
 
  • #937
I don’t know if anyone has posted the latest from Scott Reisch as I haven’t been through the thread but here it is.

Thank you. Interesting, as I myself had wondered the same thing. [did CW get punked?] They didn't have actual leverage once you know that the death penalty was unlikely to be carried out and the family didn't want it anyway.
 
  • #938
Sometimes, if I allow myself to go there, the enormity of it blows my mind. Most of the time I compartmentalize these cases so that I can deal with the why and how it happened aspects. I just had one of those mind-blown moments and I tried to imagine if I knew in advance that one of my children would die tomorrow, say they had to be taken off life-support or something. I can't even go further with that thought and try to imagine all of them dying tomorrow. That is what he did. He knew before. And afterwards, he didn't miss them. He tossed them away. No one can tell me that there were no signs of his selfishness or whatever, I can't even find the words to describe his mentality.

I believe there were signs of his extreme selfishness but I think Shanann was gaslighted badly by him, and was likely very confused for some time and kept trying to revert back to the CW who was so loving and so supportive. A link to a Nancy Grace podcast was posted and I listened to it last night. Some don't like NG's style, but I think she really lays it out there and she doesn't pull any punches.

NG had guests on the podcast and one stated Shanann was earning around $80,000 a year when he murdered her. She was making it happen and she was starting to surpass his earnings, which had declined in recent years. That was very hard on his ego, I believe. I think SW was pumping him up and praising him because she knew it was hard on him.

A couple of guests stated he was a Narcissist and one referred to his sociopathic behavior. It hasn't officially been stated what's wrong with him, but based on what he's done, I've always thought he falls in the Cluster B personality disorder spectrum and that it is extreme, and it might be psychopathy.

Nancy Grace referred to him as a philanderer and although it hasn't been confirmed, I do think he was a serial cheating philanderer and that it probably had been going on for some time. His income went down, at a time when most young men with young families are working their rear ends off, trying to advance to better support their families.

JMO, he was very likely doing his cheating during work hours and that would explain the income decline. How would Shanann know he was cheating if he was home in the evenings and on the weekends, "acting" like a devoted father and loving husband? How would she know?

I think he was very stealth in his cheating and he didn't want Shanann to know, because that would blow his image, and expose him as a fraud. He was a fraud, IMO, and probably from the very start of their relationship. As a guest attorney pointed out on the podcast, if CW ended up in family court, his secrets and misbehavior would come out.

His own behavior at home began to give him away. Shanann began to suspect he was having an affair, but she had a hard time believing he would even be able to do that. I also think she found out, likely when she was in NC about his cheating, and I think CW's house of cards was beginning to collapse in the weeks and days before he murdered them.

My thoughts are that Nancy Grace is onto the backstory of what happened, and I do hope we get more details because those details might help serve as warning signs to others and might help prevent horrific victimization.

JMO
 
  • #939
While it may offend some, keep in mind relationships are never simple. And I’m defending no one.

But unless there is at some point an unbiased professional analysis of the Watts marriage, I think theses a lot we will never know and understand.

And I believe that unless a person is defending themselves in a life threatening situation. No one has the right to kill. And there is no possible justification for killing children ever.

Did CW exhibit signs of mental illness as a child or adult?

Was he the personality type to be attracted to a dominant wife?

What attracted him to his affair partner(s)?

Was he demeaned by his wife’s profession?

Was her job really profitable, or as some have inferred the bottom line was very red? Did Shannan make money or was it a drain on CW salary? ( I’ve seen comments that while rewards were nice, that it required excessive investments for inventories and incentives for lower tier associates).

Did the Watts live above their means??
There are literally thousands of marriages that deal with those exact same stresses - they end in divorce not murder. All you mentioned is irrelevant.
 
  • #940
Thank you. Interesting, as I myself had wondered the same thing. [did CW get punked?] They didn't have actual leverage once you know that the death penalty was unlikely to be carried out and the family didn't want it anyway.

And it states that all evidence can be destroyed. Maybe come the 19th, CW will have changed his mind. Maybe not.
 
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