Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #48

[NuttMegg]

Agree even though I don't like what they are putting SW's family through. CW's parents have been left completely in the dark and have been blindsided by everything. They are hoping against hope that by defending their son, they can somehow help him before sentencing.

At least his dad said he just wants the truth and he will accept his son killed his grandchildren if that's what the evidence shows. And once the autopsies and other evidence is released, his whole family needs to understand that CW was solely to blame for all of it.

I think they were left in the dark by CW. Why don't they blame him for that? Why do they choose only certain of his stories to believe?

 

[MCDRAW]

Fully agree! Denial is a normal experience linked with the grief process.. I do get that. However what I just watched is deeper than that. In fact appalling and I can see that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Absolutely no humility on their part whatsoever for their son being responsible for not only the death of Shannan but also Nico.

I find it disturbing that she goes on to essentially shame Shannan.

Sadly what I have just watched fits with the profile of FA parents. Cindy W clearly has boundary issues big time. Wonder how often in life she has run to save her son.

I can tell you now if I murdered my kids, my mother would question whether I did it. However if the evidence points to me even possibly killing her grandkids there is no way she would be publicly defending me.

Unfortunately that interview reminded me of SP's mum

My kids had this conversation one day, they said, you would turn us in if you thought we had done something. I said, Yes I would. If you did it, you should pay the consequences. One smarty pants replied, that's why we wouldn't tell you. I honestly, get that they are having a hard time accepting what he did to the children. I can't accept how easy that they have accepted the fact he killed Shan'ann and Nico. Can no one in their family think logically? It makes no sense that he wouldn't have called for help and tried to save both girls. Denial is a powerful thing. I hope and pray those little girls were dead before he put them in oil.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

• My understanding from the WS podcast was that they each had 30 minutes with CW (via remote link); and
• From the interview with CW's mother, that they were not allowed to discuss the plea during this 30 minutes.

I think they are totally in the dark, hence the interviews.

Yes, they were, for some reason their son has decided he did not want to communicate with them.
Attorneys are not allowed to dictate who their clients communicate with. I understand the shock of getting that phone call that there is going to be a hearing. Their son is pleading guilty when they have been posturing from the beginning that their daughter in law is the guilty party and the cause for all of this.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Legal Privilege would apply, so no, they would not be recorded. My point is, CW's parents say that they have had no involvement in the discussions around the plea and I think this was a real shock to them.

Okay, thanks. Could the reason for that be due to CW not allowing them to be present?

 

[MCDRAW]

BBM
Can you explain the bit bolded by me? How would killing Shan'ann help CW get away from his parents?

NO. I didn't mean he killed her to get away from them. What I meant was, They said she isolated him from them. I am thinking he was trying to get away from them by staying away from them. Shan'ann wasn't isolating him. It was his choice. In my opinion the proof is, he has shut them out while in jail. He could have called them every day. He could have had them on the visitor's log. He could have talked to them about the plea deal. Shan'ann wasn't there to stop him from seeing them. All JMO.

 

[Mellowmelly]

Mrs W said in the interview:

“He’s not a sociopath. He’s not a psychopath. I asked Chris, ‘If you did not do this, do not confess to something you didn’t do'. (CW’s attorney) shut me down. She completely shut me down."

The parents were asked if they feel he was coerced into taking the plea deal. Mrs.W said, “I don’t know. I have no idea. To me, all they wanted to do was save his life, just save his life. Save his life and life in prison — to me there’s no difference. He’s going to die in prison. I just want him to fight. I don’t want him to take this plea deal. I want him to plead not guilty to the children.”

They said they had many questions after he confessed to killing Shanann, claiming he saw her strangle their kids to death beforehand.

Mrs. W said, “He said, ‘I’m sorry. I lost — I went into a rage, and I killed her. I am so sorry. I ruined your life. I ruined my life".

Mr W said, “After the fact with the bodies, he said, ‘Dad, I could not put the girls with her after what she did — I could not put her with her’”.
[Steam was coming from my head when I read this]

Denver7 asked why then he decided to put the girls in oil tanks. Mr W replied, “I don’t understand. I don’t understand”. “If he didn’t kill the children, I want him to face that and let them prove it. There’s a whole lot of unanswered questions about the case. Everything happened too quick there, from a case status to a plea”.

Mrs W said, “It has been so overwhelming. And I feel like I have to do something to help my son. I just need to do something. If he’s not going to fight, I’m going to fight for him.”

Chris Watts' parents break their silence after son's guilty plea in murder of wife, daughters

Disgraceful and unbelievable but to admit to their sons complete guilt is to admit that they are responsible for bringing a monster into the world..

 

[Madison418]

It’s not my parenting style either, but CW is a grown *ss man - he did it, not his parents.
jmo

Agreed, they are not to blame in the least and I feel for them. My point is, this mentality shaped him. Many children have parents who think their child never does anything wrong and blame everyone else when things happen and very very few of them murder their entire family. So clearly there is another piece there with him other than how he was raised. Nature AND nurture. IMO

 

[1&2&3]

Is Chris an only child or the boy after a few sisters were born?

As I listen to his parents talk, especially his mother, there is a strong bond between Mom and Chris.

This is a given in the South just as a mother and daughter are very close, in most situations. It can be a problem in a marriage when son and mom are close, while daughter and her mother are close as in this case.

Chris’s Mom is probably feeling rejected, frustrated, and doesn’t know how to deal with not being allowed to be with Chris due to his own request. IMO he is her ‘golden boy’.

Yes, CW probably did change after SW came into his life. He could devote all his attention, charm, and manipulation on SW that he had given to his mother. His mother just didn’t realize what he was hiding!

 

[Nikynoo]

Okay, thanks. Could the reason for that be due to CW not allowing them to be present?

It would not be normal or right for them to be involved in the negotiations of the plea, but must admit I was shocked that the plea or his reasons for taking the plea could not be discussed at the meeting with his mother. IMO this is why she has gone public and was not a good move on the part of the PDO. That being said, his mother may have gone public regardless.

 

[esayer]

Disgraceful and unbelievable but to admit to their sons complete guilt is to admit that they are responsible for bringing a monster into the world..

I can't imagine anything so devastating as your kid doing something like this, seemingly out of the blue. The worst possible timeline IMO.

 

[RachB65]

BBM
Can you explain the bit bolded by me? How would killing Shan'ann help CW get away from his parents?

I believe the poster meant things like them moving to CO, instead of him telling his parents he wanted to get away he let them believe it was Shanann's idea. He prob did the same with any decision they didn't approve of or excluded them

 

[Natusry]

The babies COD must have been drowning.
Something has to be so significant in the autopsy that it had to be sealed and it resulted in a speedy plea deal.
I’ve never thought he could get them in the containers if they were awake and presumably fighting it. And I never thought he would be so cruel as to allow them to suffer such a horrific death.
Perhaps the toxicology showed they were given large amounts of Benadryl. That would prove premeditation and totally blow his story, too.
Something extreme was revealed in the autopsy.

 

[Nikynoo]

Is Chris an only child or the boy after a few sisters were born?

As I listen to his parents talk, especially his mother, there is a strong bond between Mom and Chris.

This is a given in the South just as a mother and daughter are very close, in most situations. It can be a problem in a marriage when son and mom are close, while daughter and her mother are close as in this case.

Chris’s Mom is probably feeling rejected, frustrated, and doesn’t know how to deal with not being allowed to be with Chris due to his own request. IMO he is her ‘golden boy’.

Yes, CW probably did change after SW came into his life. He could devote all his attention, charm, and manipulation on SW that he had given to his mother. His mother just didn’t realize what he was hiding!

I believe that Chris is the youngest of 2.
Boys do change tho, when they meet their life partner, don't they? I think this saying sums it up:
'A son is a son till he takes him a wife, a daughter is a daughter all of her life.'

 

[Nikynoo]

NO. I didn't mean he killed her to get away from them. What I meant was, They said she isolated him from them. I am thinking he was trying to get away from them by staying away from them. Shan'ann wasn't isolating him. It was his choice. In my opinion the proof is, he has shut them out while in jail. He could have called them every day. He could have had them on the visitor's log. He could have talked to them about the plea deal. Shan'ann wasn't there to stop him from seeing them. All JMO.

aahhh, I see, yes.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

All MOO:
Oddly enough SW’s family was backed into the opposite corner and then shoved off the cliff. Her family managed to issue a well measured response in short order to this viscous and vindictive interview. That’s who they are.

I just can’t help but point out the obvious: CW’s family has had plenty of time to mull over their opinions and craft decent responses before granting an interview. I firmly believe this is who they are. You know, I had initially thought perhaps SW overreacted to the MIL “nuts” incident. But now?, I fully believe that MIL was deliberate in her poor treatment of SW and the children. And I think that interview? That is them - at their best.

But back to that “backed in a corner” business: it’s unfortunate that they lacked the foresight to ask someone to convey a general “we love our son and will continue to be by his side. We wish Shanann’s family healing and peace as we all move forward during this difficult time” statement. - Especially if were too stressed to even manage to say one kind thing about their grandchildren.

Just wow.

And her parents had the intelligence to use a lawyer to put a written statement out that can be reviewed by the lawyers, and possible PR folks that lawyers use to make sure the statement is worded correctly.

Doing 3 interviews back to back to get their talking points across I don't think was a good idea. But it does show themselves to the world.

 

[Nikynoo]

Agreed, they are not to blame in the least and I feel for them. My point is, this mentality shaped him. Many children have parents who think their child never does anything wrong and blame everyone else when things happen and very very few of them murder their entire family. So clearly there is another piece there with him other than how he was raised. Nature AND nurture. IMO

But its not always both parents and one 'good' parent doesn't necessarily cancel out the 'bad' parent. Sometimes, it just a simple matter of copying what one parent does as they don't see any other way.

 

[Medstudies]

Wow, they sure do exhibit major cognitive dissonance and blame shifting. “The poor little muppet is just misunderstood.” Meanwhile, the murders of wifey and children? They have zero ffffs to give.

I’m supposed to care that they are being judged for their spite and outright hatefulness?

I feel very sorry for them. I equally feel completely justified with my righteous anger towards their interviews.

 

[RachB65]

Perhaps the toxicology showed they were given large amounts of Benadryl. That would prove premeditation and totally blow his story, too.
Something extreme was revealed in the autopsy.

Snipped BBM

The presence of Benadryl in their system would be the biggest indicator of deliberation IMHO

 

[NuttMegg]

I understand the shock of getting that phone call that there is going to be a hearing.

BBM Right there, that seems to be CW getting back at his parents. A little cruel to have them hear it like that. Yet, they blame everyone and the kitchen sink for his plea.

 

[Tortoise]

The babies COD must have been drowning.
Something has to be so significant in the autopsy that it had to be sealed and it resulted in a speedy plea deal.
I’ve never thought he could get them in the containers if they were awake and presumably fighting it. And I never thought he would be so cruel as to allow them to suffer such a horrific death.
Perhaps the toxicology showed they were given large amounts of Benadryl. That would prove premeditation and totally blow his story, too.
Something extreme was revealed in the autopsy.

Yes I've postulated that they were probably sedated or poisoned and that's how they knew it wasn't Shan'ann. I don't know about drowning though, do you mean in the bath?

 

[bonjoviblonde]

Can someone link the interview or article where Cindy says she wasn’t allowed to discuss the plea during her 30 minute time with Chris and the source of her pleading with Chris not to take a plea while in the courtroom? Are we sure these two things aren’t being confused? I know I am.