Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #48

[Love Never Fails]

I have read through comments here on many murder cases. All of them sick and cruel. I just cannot imagine a human being thinking of killing someone and starting over. This guy is definitely the Scott Peterson type. Makes you sick to your stomach. Then there is Drew Peterson. I think killing for him is just for sport. Ugh....Then there was Jodi Arias. She was pure evil. Maybe once they have imagined it, nothing will stop them. They aren’t human!

 

[cailleach]

They didn't agree to destroy evidence. The plea agreement says they can discard, destroy, return...it doesn't say they are going to. MOO

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/Written Waiver and Guilty Plea.pdf

They are not going to dispose of key evidence. That just won't happen. We can't see the list that's referenced at this time but given the number of things that were carried out of the house it's likely some things were gathered as potential evidence that have proven not to be of significance. JMO.

 

[PommyMommy]

They are not going to dispose of key evidence. That just won't happen. We can't see the list that's referenced at this time but given the number of things that were carried out of the house it's likely some things were gathered as potential evidence that have proven not to be of significance. JMO.

Thank you, cailleach. That's what I was trying to say, but wasn't saying very well. Some things will be released, some things will be kept...

 

[MsBetsy]

I don’t remember this being discussed. Forgive me if it was and I missed it.

What were the sleeping arrangements in NC? Did C and B share a bed? On vacations a lot of families “bunk together” because there isn’t as much space as at home — not to mention finding comfort in unfamiliar surroundings.

Anyway, if the girls slept together for their NC trip, it seems likely they shared a bed when they returned to CO, especially while their mom was in AZ.

Which makes me wonder, why did CW say the girls were in separate rooms?

I think they were in separate beds. Shanann's friend NAU had said the girls beds were unmade and that was unusual. Imo

 

[gitana1]

If evidence is destroyed, it would not be available if further searches are required, of matters, unknown today.
In the East Area Rapist, DNA evidence of the rapes was destroyed, after the required time (not linked to any Plea deal).
This would now be invaluable, in trying to link these cases.
Apparently, some were kept, and now have been investigated.

None of the evidence is going to be destroyed. This is a smart DA. It's a form. It's standard in a plea to agree to allow the state to get rid of evidence.

It does not mean the state is going to destroy evidence or allow that to happen.

 

[gitana1]

Well said

Very.

 

[Seattle1]

Is there a link to these Watts family explanations?

I believe they're coming from a blogger podcast that is not allowed linked here.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

None of the evidence is going to be destroyed. This is a smart DA. It's a form. It's standard in a plea to agree to allow the state to get rid of evidence.

It does not mean the state is going to destroy evidence or allow that to happen.

Thank you for your input, I so appreciate your knowledge and expertise

 

[Best of What's Around]

Lots of chatter on SM that something big is currently going on behind the scenes. Any thoughts/ ideas?

IMO a lot of wishful thinking! But who knows...

 

[katydid23]

The "best-case scenario is he would have been acquitted" part is rather interesting. JMO.

I am trying to imagine how that could even happen. He already confessed to killing his wife and unborn son, not getting medical aid for his girls, and dumping them all rather crudely. So I am not seeing how a total acquittal could happen.

MAYBE, best case scenario is there is reasonable doubt about who killed the girls, and he gets sentenced for the other charges. But that would still be a hefty sentence, most likely. Unless the fan girls infiltrated the jury.

 

[Seattle1]

This one?

Thanks for posting longtime friend LA video -- new to me.

Also, based on teen photo of SW and friend LA wearing Steeler jersy's, it appears that SW was a fan since high school if not earlier. In other words, Steeler fan predates CW. (Questioned earlier).

 

[katydid23]

Lots of chatter on SM that something big is currently going on behind the scenes. Any thoughts/ ideas?

UGH, I hope it's not what my imagination fears . Could Mommy Dearest be engineering a back room deal to get new lawyers in there and try to withdraw the plea deal?

 

[Love Never Fails]

None of the evidence is going to be destroyed. This is a smart DA. It's a form. It's standard in a plea to agree to allow the state to get rid of evidence.

It does not mean the state is going to destroy evidence or allow that to happen.

Hi Gitana, thank you. What about the form stating that evidence will be turned over to Ronnie Watts? (See last page)

 

[Jennifer17]

Hi Gitana, thank you. What about the form stating that evidence will be turned over to Ronnie Watts? (See last page)

His phone and electronic devices, I would say.

 

[Seattle1]

After killing his mother, wife, son, and daughter, John List made himself a sandwich.

He later watched his son’s soccer game, drove him home, shot him to death, then disappeared.

It’s bad enough to eat before killing, but I think it’s especially cold to stop and do that during a massacre.

These guys are some sick puppies.

Yes! Another recent sick puppy was DC Mansion Murderer Daron Wint that forced one of his victims to order 2 pizzas delivered for him to eat while he brutally tortured, and set them on fire.

 

[MassGuy]

Yes! Another recent sick puppy was DC Mansion Murderer Daron Wint that forced one of his victims to order 2 pizzas delivered for him to eat while he brutally tortured, and set them on fire.

Fortunately DNA from that pizza ended up identifying him as the perpetrator.

I hope that was some really great pizza!

 

[Seattle1]

Hi Gitana, thank you. What about the form stating that evidence will be turned over to Ronnie Watts? (See last page)

Personal effects i.e., wrist watch, jewelry, wallet, etc. Items of no evidentiary value.

 

[cailleach]

This is off topic of the plea deal conversation, but something that has been on my mind since the get go, yet I hated to even think about it so I put it in the back of my mind, until it was recently mentioned about CW's reaction to Celeste in the plea hearing. As we all know, he called her "Rampage" in his TV interview pleading for their return. After that, I saw an interview by one of Shanann's best friends, Lauren Arnold (no I am not sleuthing), it was a news interview and link to follow. In that interview, Lauren talked abut the difference between Bella and Celeste. At the time, it lead me to think that POSSIBLY, the night of 08/12 (08/13?), CW was stressed our after having the kinds on his own for the weekend, knowing that SW was on her way home, and his "bachelor" summer was about to come to an abrupt halt. I played with the idea that he could he have snapped at Celeste that Sunday night (Gosh I hate to even think, let alone type that out) at bath time, bedtime, etc and just attacked/strangled her. If that happened could he have then have panicked knowing he had just killed his child and his life was going to be over, so he continued to kill Bella and then Shannan. But with all counts saying "with deliberation", I wanted to ask @gitana1 or any of our attorneys does that completely rule out my thinking??? (for the record, I truly think the most damning evidence will be the proof of his big hands around all three necks...DNA/brusing - that's why I think the autopsy reports were sealed.
Long explanation for a quick answer (LOL).

NOTE: for some reason I can not copy and paste the You Tube video of Lauren speaking.... Can anyone get that for me. I googled Shannan's bestfriend Lauren and a few of the same interview popped up! News( being the one I watched. TIA.

Colorado has codified the description of the First Degree Murder charges at C.R.S. § 18-3-102 with "deliberation" defined at C.R.S. ¤ 18-3-101(3) to mean "intentionally [and] after the exercise of reflection and judgment concerning the act." A hasty or impulsive act is excluded from the definition of an act committed after deliberation.

 

[Love Never Fails]

His phone and electronic devices, I would say.

Thanks so much. Too bad anything is returned at all.

 

[Seattle1]

His phone and electronic devices, I would say.

I seriously doubt the DA would release his phone, computer, electronics, since these would contain a goldmines of evidence! Personal effects of no evidentiary value released would more likely be his wallet, watch, etc.