Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #48

[Jennifer17]

I seriously doubt the DA would release his phone, computer, electronics, since these would contain a goldmines of evidence! Personal effects of no evidentiary value released would more likely be his wallet, watch, etc.

I would have thought that they would have made copies of everything on his electronic devices, but you may be correct.

 

[pocketaccent]

Personal effects i.e., wrist watch, jewelry, wallet, etc. Items of no evidentiary value.

Also his clothing and shoes he was wearing when arrested.
He is never getting out so Dad can keep them.

 

[Jennifer17]

Also his clothing and shoes he was wearing when arrested.
He is never getting out so Dad can keep them.

The shirt he liked a lot!

 

[gitana1]

I know that Gitana has explained how hard it would be for him to change his plea now. But my anxiety still nags at me, about him trying to weasel out of his plea.

If he comes to court on the 19th, and says to the court, publicly, that he felt pressured to make the plea, but it was ill-advised, and he can't stand by it, what happens then?

I don't see how the judge could ignore a statement like that. I am nervous about this hearing.

Then he would be instructed to file a motion to withdraw his plea. The motion would then be heard. And without his ability to show facts that indicate his attorneys are diabolical, somehow vested in my going to trial and willing to throw their careers away, he's going to lose, IMO.

 

[gitana1]

I suppose then it would go to trial with dp back on the table.

No. First he would have to file a motion to withdraw the plea. And it's not easy to win.

 

[MCDRAW]

That's kind of funny. I can't believe I am going to say this, since it's going to sound like I am defending this crew, but it's possible for people to go their entire lives without getting the diagnosis. It's really only become "popular" in the past 10-15 years or so, which means many adults may have shown signs as youngsters but they were ignored. I know many people who were diagnosed until they were in their 30s and 40s.

Doesn't really matter, though. They could try to use that, but having Aspergers doesn't make one more prone to violence or murder. In my experience being married to someone on the spectrum, it seems to go the opposite way.

It took me 10 years to get my daughter diagnosed. And that was with me going to doctors and saying she has autistic tendencies. They would say, yes but she doesn't have autism. I would say, why does she rock and bang her head? Crickets...every time. My daughter is extremely high functioning but she can not make a plan. When she was in high school someone gave her a plan to go to a party. She executed it brilliantly but no one thought to give her a plan to get back home. Let's just say,that I know what it feels like to sign a paper having her placed, in the national database for missing and exploited children. I know everyone is different. Maybe some people with asbergers can plan. I only know how my child's brain works.

 

[gitana1]

This is off topic of the plea deal conversation, but something that has been on my mind since the get go, yet I hated to even think about it so I put it in the back of my mind, until it was recently mentioned about CW's reaction to Celeste in the plea hearing. As we all know, he called her "Rampage" in his TV interview pleading for their return. After that, I saw an interview by one of Shanann's best friends, Lauren Arnold (no I am not sleuthing), it was a news interview and link to follow. In that interview, Lauren talked abut the difference between Bella and Celeste. At the time, it lead me to think that POSSIBLY, the night of 08/12 (08/13?), CW was stressed our after having the kinds on his own for the weekend, knowing that SW was on her way home, and his "bachelor" summer was about to come to an abrupt halt. I played with the idea that he could he have snapped at Celeste that Sunday night (Gosh I hate to even think, let alone type that out) at bath time, bedtime, etc and just attacked/strangled her. If that happened could he have then have panicked knowing he had just killed his child and his life was going to be over, so he continued to kill Bella and then Shannan. But with all counts saying "with deliberation", I wanted to ask @gitana1 or any of our attorneys does that completely rule out my thinking??? (for the record, I truly think the most damning evidence will be the proof of his big hands around all three necks...DNA/brusing - that's why I think the autopsy reports were sealed.
Long explanation for a quick answer (LOL).

NOTE: for some reason I can not copy and paste the You Tube video of Lauren speaking.... Can anyone get that for me. I googled Shannan's bestfriend Lauren and a few of the same interview popped up! News( being the one I watched. TIA.

With deliberation does indeed rule that out for CeCe. And deliberation as premeditation are vastly more horrifying to me than snapping.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Then he would be instructed to file a motion to withdraw his plea. The motion would then be heard. And without his ability to show facts that indicate his attorneys are diabolical, somehow vested in my going to trial and willing to throw their careers away, he's going to lose, IMO.

I'm just waiting for someone like Mark Geragos to get wind of this case...........

 

[MassGuy]

I'm just waiting for someone like Mark Geragos to get wind of this case...........

I’m sure he’s aware of it. He’s already made a name for himself and probably doesn’t want to touch this loser of a case, with a 10 foot pole.

 

[gitana1]

Lots of chatter on SM that something big is currently going on behind the scenes. Any thoughts/ ideas?

If it's from his supporters than I believe it's wishful thinking by his loved ones who are possibly trying to hire outside counsel and delusionally think they can successfully withdraw the plea because CW is innocent, of course.

 

[MCDRAW]

They have gone to any lengths to not blame him for what happened.

I really can't blame them. Who would want to admit their child, not only killed his wife but all of his children? That would mean they missed every signal he gave out as a child, teenager, and an adult. Denial would be easier and is probably a defense mechanism until their brains can accept it. JMO

 

[ZsaZsa]

I’m sure he’s aware of it. He’s already made a name for himself and probably doesn’t want to touch this loser of a case, with a 10 foot pole.

He is quoted as saying he likes " defending the damned".

 

[ZsaZsa]

I really can't blame them. Who would want to admit their child, not only killed his wife but all of his children? That would mean they missed every signal he gave out as a child, teenager, and an adult. Denial would be easier and is probably a defense mechanism until their brains can accept it. JMO

Plus they know. They already know, but it's about saving face.

 

[MCDRAW]

No. First he would have to file a motion to withdraw the plea. And it's not easy to win.

I'm pretty sure his defense attorney made that clear before he signed.

 

[MassGuy]

He is quoted as saying he likes " defending the damned".

Ha! This guy is beyond damned though. Atleast he had a chance with the Scott Peterson case.

 

[gitana1]

There is no way for anyone to predict whether executions will carried out at any point in time in the future. This just happened in the state of Nebraska - Colorado's next-door neighbor. No executions for 21 years and in August of this year, a man who had been on death row for 39 years was executed by lethal injection.

From what I could see when I looked at the history of the death penalty in Nebraska, there have been an incredible amount of politics going on for many years, including lawmakers replacing the death penalty with LWOP in 2015. The voters changed that in 2016. And now, an execution.

That's very true. However fear of the death penalty absolutely does not explain the timing of this plea.

Why before arriagnment? Before the preliminary hearing at which probable cause is established? Heck, the time for discovery to be given to the defendant hasn't even arrived yet.

There is zero way his defense team which is overseen by a state defense attorney with 20 years experience as a public defender alone, would rush into such a plea in order to get rid of the case or because they're inept and don't know what they're doing or because they're corrupt or any reason like that.

They live for going to trial. All the insinuations out there about him being coerced are insane. His team would never do such a career-killing thing as coerce an unwilling client into giving up his constitutional right to trial.

It's ludicrous.

 

[Love Never Fails]

That's very true. However fear of the death penalty absolutely does not explain the timing of this plea.

Why before arriagnment? Before the preliminary hearing at which probable cause is established? Heck, the time foot discovery to be given to the defendant hasn't even arrived yet.

There is zero way his defense team which is overseen by a state defense attorney with 20 years experience as a public defender alone, would rush into such a plea in order to get rid of the case or because they're inept and don't know what they're doing or because they're corrupt or any reason like that.

They live for going to trial. All the insinuations out there about him being coerced are insane. His team would never do such a career-killing thing as coerce an unwilling client into giving up his right to trial.

It's ludicrous.

But for those of us who don’t understand the law, it sounds possible, like a made for TV movie. Thankfully we have you to explain these things.
In snippets of news, we hear of criminals getting away with these things.

 

[gitana1]

It is actually from a pro Shanann anti Chris group, which is the only reason I paid attention to it. I left all the other groups, too much nonsense.

And how would they get such info except via leak of his supporters?

 

[Love Never Fails]

Gitana, why do you think he made the plea deal so quickly?

 

[molly1255]

I am trying to imagine how that could even happen. He already confessed to killing his wife and unborn son, not getting medical aid for his girls, and dumping them all rather crudely. So I am not seeing how a total acquittal could happen.

MAYBE, best case scenario is there is reasonable doubt about who killed the girls, and he gets sentenced for the other charges. But that would still be a hefty sentence, most likely. Unless the fan girls infiltrated the jury.

I agree. My thoughts are the same as your thoughts on this and that's why I thought that statement was interesting. And apparently an acquittal wasn't CW's real "perception of reality", because he wouldn't have entered into a plea agreement! Shows you just how crazy he is - he isn't crazy. He's just evil.