Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #48

[gitana1]

But for those of us who don’t understand the law, it sounds possible, like a made for TV movie. Thankfully we have you to explain these things.
In snippets of news, we hear of criminals getting away with these things.

Yes. But it's unusual. Rare.

 

[MCDRAW]

Do you or anyone else know if Autism would enable a person who committed homicide in a rage to act the way he did the next day? Seem mostly calm and well rested. And smile and giggle. And lie. All while feeling emotion underneath? Can people with autism disorders lie easily? And act and manipulate in order to conceal something? Attempt to steer someone a different direction? All that?

I remember telling a psychologist that my daughter could lie so well. And then cry and make you feel almost guilty for not believing her. He said, she isn't lying, She is in her own world and if you don't catch her while it's happening she doesn't know she did it. This was well before her asberger diagnoses. As she got older, she would cry every time she tried to lie. Now she just doesn't answer. LOL She can only lie, if no one asks her questions. I ask lots of questions, to which she has learned to reply I don't know. She is very smart. She could not then nor could she now steer someone in a different direction. She also did not show any emotion. She does now. I hate to say this but I don't believe she ever formed a real attachment to any of us, except her brother, and that's a love/hate relationship even now. For both of them. She is not a manipulator. I call her every day or I wouldn't probably hear from her. She does have an attachment to her husband, a strong one. She is still a work in progress but I worked extremely hard so that she could one day live on her own.

 

[sun16]

That's very true. However fear of the death penalty absolutely does not explain the timing of this plea.

Why before arriagnment? Before the preliminary hearing at which probable cause is established? Heck, the time for discovery to be given to the defendant hasn't even arrived yet.

There is zero way his defense team which is overseen by a state defense attorney with 20 years experience as a public defender alone, would rush into such a plea in order to get rid of the case or because they're inept and don't know what they're doing or because they're corrupt or any reason like that.

They live for going to trial. All the insinuations out there about him being coerced are insane. His team would never do such a career-killing thing as coerce an unwilling client into giving up his right to trial.

It's ludicrous.

Then it simply has to be the evidence and the autopsies.

 

[molly1255]

That's very true. However fear of the death penalty absolutely does not explain the timing of this plea.

Why before arriagnment? Before the preliminary hearing at which probable cause is established? Heck, the time for discovery to be given to the defendant hasn't even arrived yet.

There is zero way his defense team which is overseen by a state defense attorney with 20 years experience as a public defender alone, would rush into such a plea in order to get rid of the case or because they're inept and don't know what they're doing or because they're corrupt or any reason like that.

They live for going to trial. All the insinuations out there about him being coerced are insane. His team would never do such a career-killing thing as coerce an unwilling client into giving up his right to trial.

It's ludicrous.

My post wasn't specific to this case. I don't think the fear of the potential of facing the death penalty is what made CW enter into a plea arrangement. I believe I've stated this before. ETA: I'm not thrilled at all with the insinuations that are out there that he was coerced, or that didn't get proper legal representation, whatever. That's bull, IMO. I strongly believe that he knows exactly what he is doing now, just as he knew exactly what he was doing before, during, and after the murders. I believe the plea arrangement is to avoid the whole process leading up to a trial, and well as a trial.

 

[gitana1]

Gitana, why do you think he made the plea deal so quickly?

I've come to the conclusion (but not certain), that because he is a family annihilator, he's terrified of having to sit there through every humiliating, shameful moment of arriagnment, preliminary hearing (at which probable cause is determined), and ultimately trial. Having his family and the world hear every detail of what he did and who he was, in dramatic detail, through testimony, large blow ups of texts and computer searches, autopsy photos showing the bodies of his babies with mouths gasping open.

He has seen the autopsy report. And he knows what else there is to present at trial.

I think he can't face this level of unmasking.

Consider that 81% of these annihilators also kill themselves. They can't handle the stress of life or the shame of financial issues. Losing control of their families. A separation. Their terrible lies exposed. So they kill everyone and then themselves.

He didn't. Likely because he thought his lies and manipulation would work.

When he saw it wasn't working it could be it was too much to go through. So he was desperate to stop more of the dog and pony show.

There likely is more evidence we aren't aware of, too.

I'm not sure but that's the best I can do.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Then it simply has to be the evidence and the autopsies.

Will the autopsies be released? Rather than strangling the girls, doesn’t anyone think he overdosed them somehow. I know I am just catching up here and this may have been discussed. How do you place your hands around your child’s neck and strangle her? Oh heck what am I saying? How could you drug them? I just can’t wrap my head around this!

 

[Jennifer17]

Then it simply has to be the evidence and the autopsies.

Or his own wish.

 

[MCDRAW]

Same thing, different position under the umbrella. Many kids are diagnosed with autism which later becomes a diagnosis of Aspergers, but they are different forms of the same syndrome.

Yes. His family may have noticed things and spoke to the doctor about it. Doctors have a way of explaining things away. I doubt he was ever diagnosed. It took ten years for my daughter to be diagnosed. That was with me, actively trying to get her help.

 

[MassGuy]

Will the autopsies be released? Rather than strangling the girls, doesn’t anyone think he overdosed them somehow. I know I am just catching up here and this may have been discussed. How do you place your hands around your child’s neck and strangle her? Oh heck what am I saying? How could you drug them? I just can’t wrap my head around this!

Yes. We will see the autopsies within 24 hours of the sentencing hearing. The DA has promised to reveal everything he can, in regards to evidence.

What he did is unfathomable to us, but unfortunately, it’s all been done before.

He wasn’t the first guy to kill his family, and he certainly won’t be the last.

 

[Seattle1]

Christopher Watts pleads guilty in death of pregnant wife, 2 daughters

Investigators said in court documents that they know what motivated Chris Watts to kill his family. He "was actively involved in an affair with a co-worker," but Rourke would not elaborate.

Public records will be unsealed after the sentencing, and Rourke said he will give additional details. [BBM]

 

[gitana1]

JMO, but I think much of it will be preserved. But there are items that can be returned once they're finished with their examination. Hopefully an attorney can chime in. MOO

Yes. Like any personal effects that didn't amount to anything.

 

[gitana1]

Let's see if @gitana1 can help. MOO

That's not what it says. All evidence will absolutely not be returned to CW's father.

Any effects of the defendant that they won't want to preserve can go to his dad.

Anything of value they no longer have need for would go to Shanann's estate, IMO.

 

[gitana1]

They are not going to dispose of key evidence. That just won't happen. We can't see the list that's referenced at this time but given the number of things that were carried out of the house it's likely some things were gathered as potential evidence that have proven not to be of significance. JMO.

Precisely.

 

[gitana1]

I am trying to imagine how that could even happen. He already confessed to killing his wife and unborn son, not getting medical aid for his girls, and dumping them all rather crudely. So I am not seeing how a total acquittal could happen.

MAYBE, best case scenario is there is reasonable doubt about who killed the girls, and he gets sentenced for the other charges. But that would still be a hefty sentence, most likely. Unless the fan girls infiltrated the jury.

Maybe they meant acquitted of the first degree murder charges?

 

[Love Never Fails]

I've come to the conclusion (but not certain), that because he is a family annihilator, he's terrified of having to sit there through every humiliating, shameful moment of arriagnment, preliminary hearing (at which probable cause is determined), and ultimately trial. Having his family and the world hear every detail of what he did and who he was, in dramatic detail, through testimony, large blow ups of texts and computer searches, autopsy photos showing the bodies of his babies with mouths gasping open.

He has seen the autopsy report. And he knows what else there is to present at trial.

I think he can't face this level of unmasking.

Consider that 81% of these annihilators also kill themselves. They can't handle the stress of life or the shame of financial issues. Losing control of their families. A separation. Their terrible lies exposed. So they kill everyone and then themselves.

He didn't. Likely because he thought his lies and manipulation would work.

When he saw it wasn't working it could be it was too much to go through. So he was desperate to stop more of the dog and pony show.

There likely is more evidence we aren't aware of, too.

I'm not sure but that's the best I can do.

So are these FA’s mentally ill or just plain evil? Or does it even matter? I wasn’t aware he could have seen the autopsies until trial. So shame and embarrassment in front of family and friends makes him cop a plea? Wow, I don’t know. I can see he is a coward. Maybe he wants to die but was too much of a coward to take his own life? No, because then he would go to trial and ask for the death penalty.
He is quite the opposite of Jodi Arias. But still a killer. What evidence is out there?

 

[Love Never Fails]

Yes. We will see the autopsies within 24 hours of the sentencing hearing. The DA has promised to reveal everything he can, in regards to evidence.

What he did is unfathomable to us, but unfortunately, it’s all been done before.

He wasn’t the first guy to kill his family, and he certainly won’t be the last.

Thanks MassGuy. You are correct of course but it’s just unimaginable to me.

 

[gitana1]

I really can't blame them. Who would want to admit their child, not only killed his wife but all of his children? That would mean they missed every signal he gave out as a child, teenager, and an adult. Denial would be easier and is probably a defense mechanism until their brains can accept it. JMO

Or maybe they didn't miss every sign. They just denied that those signs were present. Because he was "perfect."

 

[Love Never Fails]

Christopher Watts pleads guilty in death of pregnant wife, 2 daughters

Investigators said in court documents that they know what motivated Chris Watts to kill his family. He "was actively involved in an affair with a co-worker," but Rourke would not elaborate.

Public records will be unsealed after the sentencing, and Rourke said he will give additional details. [BBM]

Christopher Watts pleads guilty in death of pregnant wife, 2 daughters

Investigators said in court documents that they know what motivated Chris Watts to kill his family. He "was actively involved in an affair with a co-worker," but Rourke would not elaborate.

Public records will be unsealed after the sentencing, and Rourke said he will give additional details. [BBM]

Good article. Thank you. He really looks evil! How can having an affair make you wipe out your family? His lover(s) must feel like crap right now. Not sure he ever had a conscience.

 

[cailleach]

I've come to the conclusion (but not certain), that because he is a family annihilator, he's terrified of having to sit there through every humiliating, shameful moment of arriagnment, preliminary hearing (at which probable cause is determined), and ultimately trial. Having his family and the world hear every detail of what he did and who he was, in dramatic detail, through testimony, large blow ups of texts and computer searches, autopsy photos showing the bodies of his babies with mouths gasping open.

He has seen the autopsy report. And he knows what else there is to present at trial.

I think he can't face this level of unmasking.

Consider that 81% of these annihilators also kill themselves. They can't handle the stress of life or the shame of financial issues. Losing control of their families. A separation. Their terrible lies exposed. So they kill everyone and then themselves.

He didn't. Likely because he thought his lies and manipulation would work.

When he saw it wasn't working it could be it was too much to go through. So he was desperate to stop more of the dog and pony show.

There likely is more evidence we aren't aware of, too.

I'm not sure but that's the best I can do.

Nice summation, @gitana1 It has also occurred to me that he can't stand the idea of being unmasked, then add to that being unmasked with the help of AP who was at least part of his motivation for doing this. I have no reason to believe she didn't cooperate fully with LE or to doubt that she would testify in court. What a blow to a FA to have someone they had duped into thinking he was this great guy worthy of cheating with sit there and tell the lies he had told her, possibly even give testimony for how they knew the tanks had been disturbed, etcetera.

 

[gitana1]

I remember telling a psychologist that my daughter could lie so well. And then cry and make you feel almost guilty for not believing her. He said, she isn't lying, She is in her own world and if you don't catch her while it's happening she doesn't know she did it. This was well before her asberger diagnoses. As she got older, she would cry every time she tried to lie. Now she just doesn't answer. LOL She can only lie, if no one asks her questions. I ask lots of questions, to which she has learned to reply I don't know. She is very smart. She could not then nor could she now steer someone in a different direction. She also did not show any emotion. She does now. I hate to say this but I don't believe she ever formed a real attachment to any of us, except her brother, and that's a love/hate relationship even now. For both of them. She is not a manipulator. I call her every day or I wouldn't probably hear from her. She does have an attachment to her husband, a strong one. She is still a work in progress but I worked extremely hard so that she could one day live on her own.

Bless her.