Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #48

[Marli61]

Any idea why? How do you know this?

Most likely because she couldn't stand SW. There is a link floating around somewhere that confirms this. I don't know where to find it atm. Maybe someone else can.

 

[BeanieBod]

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Even if he is, he’s requested and receiving transcripts and has requested copies of the autopsies and is/will share these with an in depth explanation for his viewers. I like that.

@gitana1
1. If he is not the attorney, how can he be receiving transcripts or autopsies that are not yet public?
2. Can he become CW attorney at this late date?
3. How likely is it that CW will withdraw his plea?

 

[PommyMommy]

Shanann's family response.
Shanann Watts’ parents denounce comments from Christopher Watts’ mom

I'll just leave this here. No words.

"Cindy Watts said she knows her son should spend a long time in prison for killing his wife, but she claims he was stuck in a verbally abusive relationship."

 

[Thepoet]

After the interviews with CW's parents, and his mother's almost total focus on herself, I have to wonder about the mother-son dynamic is that family and if the plea agreement is partly CW, consciously or sub-consciously. punishing his mother. There is something unbalanced and unhealthy in the Watts family.

 

[Marli61]

After the interviews with CW's parents, and his mother's almost total focus on herself, I have to wonder about the mother-son dynamic is that family and if the plea agreement is partly CW, consciously or sub-consciously. punishing his mother. There is something unbalanced and unhealthy in the Watts family.

I feel the same poet.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

I agree with you Mitch, that CW's parents probably can justify the affair, as CW no longer loved his wife.
As they state, CW was to leave HER.
I am wondering how bad things were for SW, due to CW's parents, over the years.
They certainly did not approve of her.
We will probably hear more details once sentencing has been completed.

Yes, she certainly made it a point to emphasize the word “her”, didn’t she.

 

[Nikynoo]

I'll just leave this here. No words.

"Cindy Watts said she knows her son should spend a long time in prison for killing his wife, but she claims he was stuck in a verbally abusive relationship."

Any chance you can post the entire statement please? We can't see it here (UK).

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I have so much sympathy for SW's parents and brother - my heart truly goes out to them. At the same time, my heart hurts for CW's parents and sister and I don’t feel like any of us are in a position to judge his parents or the support they are giving their son. They obviously don’t think he’s responsible, they have doubt or they’re in denial. I can’t imagine what it must be like to be either of their parents or siblings. There are no winners in this and nothing will take away their pain or turn back time. There's only so much people can take and it's almost unbearable to watch this unfold the way it is.
jmo

 

[Thepoet]

We've spent a considerable amount of time here discussing why CW didn't just leave SW instead of killing her & his children. After actually hearing his mother's voice I finally came to somewhat of a conclusion in my mind. Mrs. W is a controlling, overbearing woman. I'm now wondering if Mrs. W had expressed to CW that she didn't want him to marry SW. Maybe she has been chirping in his ear every chance she's gotten over the years that he should leave SW. I'm thinking there is a certain part of CW that doesn't want this narcissistic shrew to be right, because on some level I think he resents her, but doesn't/hasn't ever had the guts to stand up to her. This would create quite a dilemma for a person like CW. Doesn't want mom to be "right", but has no idea how to get out of the situation. I think he was "torn" to some degree, as much as a selfish person could be, between letting his mother be right & doing something else. I imagine he may have thought even if he left SW, the way he did it would never suit his mother, plus it would leave him wide open for her to rule a whole new chapter of his life. So in some twisted sense I think it's possible it was easier for him to erase his sweet little family & let the chips fall where they may. JMO MOO

Well said. Kudos.

 

[PommyMommy]

Any chance you can post the entire statement please? We can't see it here (UK).

What statement? I am quoting the article. MOO

 

[Deleted member 229974]

After the interviews with CW's parents, and his mother's almost total focus on herself, I have to wonder about the mother-son dynamic is that family and if the plea agreement is partly CW, consciously or sub-consciously. punishing his mother. There is something unbalanced and unhealthy in the Watts family.

(Enter: Jeopardy tune) I agree, thus my earlier comment about him possibly taking responsibility for his actions for once in his life.

 

[NuttMegg]

I have so much sympathy for SW's parents and brother - my heart truly goes out to them. At the same time, my heart hurts for CW's parents and sister and I don’t feel like any of us are in a position to judge his parents or the support they are giving their son. They obviously don’t think he’s responsible, they have doubt or they’re in denial. I can’t imagine what it must be like to be either of their parents or siblings. There are no winners in this and nothing will take away their pain or turn back time. There's only so much people can take and it's almost unbearable to watch this unfold the way it is.
jmo

If they were so sure that "He was leaving her", then presumably they must feel some guilt that he didn't bother to use the divorce method open to each of us. I find it telling that they both said "He was leaving her", not "he was leaving her, the 2 kids, and the unborn baby".

After seeing these videos of the parents I feel
1) they are getting egged on by ppl who will benefit from lengthening the whole case, whether they be defense attorneys with baited hooks or SM web sites needing the life blood of this particular gory case to continue the spectacle....
2) they weren't really that close to their son, not being contacted by him for 3 months during the most stressful time of his life, ie his apparently not feeling like sharing with them,
3) and not even after the plea deal was being discussed weeks ago.
4) remember all we have is her word, and ppl who have spread it around on SM that the PDs would not let her try to change his mind. We don't know how that conversation was approached, maybe with screaming emotion instead of measured reasoning, and we don't know if CW himself shut it down.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I have so much sympathy for SW's parents and brother - my heart truly goes out to them. At the same time, my heart hurts for CW's parents and sister and I don’t feel like any of us are in a position to judge his parents or the support they are giving their son. They obviously don’t think he’s responsible, they have doubt or they’re in denial. I can’t imagine what it must be like to be either of their parents or siblings. There are no winners in this and nothing will take away their pain or turn back time. There's only so much people can take and it's almost unbearable to watch this unfold the way it is.
jmo

They might deserve compassion, but it would be so much more tasteful if their statements did not include trashing Shanann. Their son killed her, is that not enough that they have to slander her to excuse his actions? Shameful IMO.

 

[Thepoet]

I have so much sympathy for SW's parents and brother - my heart truly goes out to them. At the same time, my heart hurts for CW's parents and sister and I don’t feel like any of us are in a position to judge his parents or the support they are giving their son. They obviously don’t think he’s responsible, they have doubt or they’re in denial. I can’t imagine what it must be like to be either of their parents or siblings. There are no winners in this and nothing will take away their pain or turn back time. There's only so much people can take and it's almost unbearable to watch this unfold the way it is.
jmo

I don't believe anyone is judging his parents for the support they are giving their son. just the way they are doing it. They have attacked a dead woman and blamed her. They have insinuated that CW has been mislead and manipulated. They have been vicious. As others here have said; the comparison between CW's family's interviews and SW's family's response is night and day. One response is petty and selfish, the other noble. Yes, both families have suffered and will suffer the rest of their lives, but how they deal with the suffering speaks volumes.

 

[Tortoise]

I have so much sympathy for SW's parents and brother - my heart truly goes out to them. At the same time, my heart hurts for CW's parents and sister and I don’t feel like any of us are in a position to judge his parents or the support they are giving their son. They obviously don’t think he’s responsible, they have doubt or they’re in denial. I can’t imagine what it must be like to be either of their parents or siblings. There are no winners in this and nothing will take away their pain or turn back time. There's only so much people can take and it's almost unbearable to watch this unfold the way it is.
jmo

This is my opinion but if we don't air our views and discuss issues like these we learn nothing. It's analysis that takes forward understanding of the family dynamics of family annihilators, and ultimately prevention.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

I have so much sympathy for SW's parents and brother - my heart truly goes out to them. At the same time, my heart hurts for CW's parents and sister and I don’t feel like any of us are in a position to judge his parents or the support they are giving their son. They obviously don’t think he’s responsible, they have doubt or they’re in denial. I can’t imagine what it must be like to be either of their parents or siblings. There are no winners in this and nothing will take away their pain or turn back time. There's only so much people can take and it's almost unbearable to watch this unfold the way it is.
jmo

I don’t think anyone is judging the support but the manner in which they are choosing to express that support. They are victims and they are in pain. I hope they get guidance on a better way to express themselves - “We love our son, everyone who knew him said he was a good father, we have not viewed any evidence or proof that he killed his children, we are searching for the truth.” Simple, without blame and have an awareness to not pour salt into the wound of the other family also in pain. Edited to add the way Mrs W is behaving is not doing her son any favors.

 

[JudgeJudi]

When the autopsy results are disclosed, I’m hoping they’ll show without a shadow of a doubt that it was the murderous, narcissistic sociopath who committed these heinous crimes. To blame the deaths of Bella and Cece on Shan’ann is beyond despicable, and this is the only thing that the Watts want to fight. They never mentioned Shan’ann, not once. They never mentioned that she was pregnant. As far as they’re concerned, she killed her precious children.

His mother said he’s not a sociopath. After this interview it’s absolutely obvious to me that he is. Everything gitana said about FA parents has now been put on display for us all to see. He is the child who can do no wrong. He is perfect. Shan’ann changed him. It’s all her fault. No, he became a sociopath because of the way he was raised. Sociopathy is the result of nurture and the behaviour is learned. He had to hide his true feelings from his mother. He became adept at manipulating and lying, to appease her.

It is often difficult for them to form attachments with others. He kept to himself when he was at school, was always quiet and seemed to have no real friends that he socialised with. This continued into adulthood when his only friends were those he met through Shan’ann. He was a loner and obviously struggled with relationships.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

I'll just leave this here. No words.

"Cindy Watts said she knows her son should spend a long time in prison for killing his wife, but she claims he was stuck in a verbally abusive relationship."

I’m no lawyer but wouldn’t his killing his wife in these circumstances be considered a “crime of passion” and therefore his sentence would be minimal?

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

I'll just leave this here. No words.

"Cindy Watts said she knows her son should spend a long time in prison for killing his wife, but she claims he was stuck in a verbally abusive relationship."

Stunning. Just...so beyond anything decent or sensible. Explains a lot about this case right there.

 

[Nikynoo]

They might deserve compassion, but it would be so much more tasteful if their statements did not include trashing Shanann. Their son killed her, is that not enough that they have to slander her to excuse his actions? Shameful IMO.

Well, lets look at it from their point of view - the last time Cw's father saw him was before his arrest, when Chris told his father 'what had happened'. His father believed him. The next thing his parents know, Chris is going to plead guilty to ALL murders. They are not allowed to discuss this with him, so they can't test their understanding. They have no information at all, whereas I believe that Shan'anns family do know a little more.

I think Chris's parents are desperate for information. When this is available to them, I would hope it makes things clearer for them. I am surprised that the PD team hasn't counselled them as to the reasoning behind the plea, but perhaps they have good reason not to.