Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #48

[Deleted member 229974]

Well, lets look at it from their point of view - the last time Cw's father saw him was before his arrest, when Chris told his father 'what had happened'. His father believed him. The next thing his parents know, Chris is going to plead guilty to ALL murders. They are not allowed to discuss this with him, so they can't test their understanding. They have no information at all, whereas I believe that Shan'anns family do know a little more.

I think Chris's parents are desperate for information. When this is available to them, I would hope it makes things clearer for them. I am surprised that the PD team hasn't counselled them as to the reasoning behind the plea, but perhaps they have good reason not to.

I would think that CW’s legal team would share information with his parents, with his permission of course. Question: Are sessions with his legal team confidential or are they recorded by LE?

 

[Thepoet]

I have noticed an infantilization of CW by his family. He “was stuck”, he “was changed by Shan’ann”, they refer to him as “a kid”. He’s their kid, but he is no longer a kid at age 33.

I do think they have been and continue to be manipulated by their son’s lies, much like Cindy Anthony was manipulated by Casey’s lies. CW is victimizing his parents, but they are unable to see it.

A parent’s love for their child should be unconditional, but it should not require revictimizing a dead victim who cannot defend herself. She was a member of their family, too, if only for a few years. I hope they will get a lot of therapy. They need it badly.

Very well said. Thank you. Bravo.

 

[RachB65]

And yet, SW's family have not behaved oddly or out of character. Instead they have behaved with dignity and class and they have been in as much or more in a stressful situation and in a corner, as the Watts family. The Watts family IS responsible for what they say and do, like attacking a murdered woman. IMO.

This is even after knowing Shanann's family requested no DP for Chris. It seems they don't even care their DIL is dead nor their grandchildren much. the interview smacks of denial, narcissism,ungraciousness and selfishness of character

 

[MKZoo]

Well, lets look at it from their point of view - the last time Cw's father saw him was before his arrest, when Chris told his father 'what had happened'. His father believed him. The next thing his parents know, Chris is going to plead guilty to ALL murders. They are not allowed to discuss this with him, so they can't test their understanding. They have no information at all, whereas I believe that Shan'anns family do know a little more.

I think Chris's parents are desperate for information. When this is available to them, I would hope it makes things clearer for them. I am surprised that the PD team hasn't counselled them as to the reasoning behind the plea, but perhaps they have good reason not to.

I think this is correct. They feel left in the dark about everything that’s happened. It’s also quite obvious to me that the reason they are in that position is because their son has chosen to put them there.

Instead of adressing that reality, they have decided to lash out against their murdered daughter in law.

I don’t think this is the first time the pattern of blaming SW for his actions has played out this way. It definitely has me struggling a bit to maintain the sympathy I’ve had for their loss in all of this.

Jmo

 

[kaykay543]

I have so much sympathy for SW's parents and brother - my heart truly goes out to them. At the same time, my heart hurts for CW's parents and sister and I don’t feel like any of us are in a position to judge his parents or the support they are giving their son. They obviously don’t think he’s responsible, they have doubt or they’re in denial. I can’t imagine what it must be like to be either of their parents or siblings. There are no winners in this and nothing will take away their pain or turn back time. There's only so much people can take and it's almost unbearable to watch this unfold the way it is.
jmo

I have not seen one person post that CW parents aren't in pain and hurting. The issue is that they are making derogatory comments about SW HIS wife that he killed. Victim blaming pure and simple. Nothing SW did or didn't do "made" him murder her or the girls. CW and CW alone is responsible for that.

 

[Layla123]

BBM. No, they seemed quite proud that he would leave his pregnant wife and two children for a quite recent (it seems) sexual partner. They actually seemed gleeful that he 'did not love her no more'.

In order for CW’s parents to continue to deny that CW killed the girls, CW has to be the one who wanted to end the marriage because if Shanann was the one who wanted to end it, she wouldn’t have killed the kids.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

If CW's mother is not able to get alternate defense counsel for him before 19 November and achieve some way to delay the whole thing, I suspect SHE will be making the ugly scene at the sentencing.

I suppose if they have the money to spend, some high profile attorney will definitely step forward. Let’s just pray for SW, her children and her family and friends, that by some miracle, CW sticks to his guns and takes his punishment as deserved.

 

[PommyMommy]

In almost every society and culture, parents view their children, in some respects, as a reflection of themselves. They’re a biological, social and moral reflection. Children can make their parents proud or bring shame upon their family. Some parents have so much narcissistic investment in their children that even when those children are convicted of the most horrific crimes – such as killing their spouses – they still defend them, e.g. Scott Peterson’s and Neil Entwistle’s parents. They continued to claim that their sons are innocent even when it was proven beyond reasonable doubt in court that they were guilty of murdering their wives and babies. In these sort of cases, the parents are either disordered or blind. They refuse to see their sons as anything but the perfect beings they want them to be.

This type of parents need to preserve their image as perfect parents who instilled the right values in their children. They’re willing to sacrifice their moral values to preserve an idealized image of their children.

Well said, JudgeJudi. And I'd like to add Ted Bundy's mother as another example. She didn't believe her golden boy was a serial killer even after he was convicted of several of his murders. Just unreal.

"Ted Bundy does not go around killing women and little children!" she told The News Tribune in 1980 after Ted Bundy was convicted in the Florida killings. "And I know this, too, that our never-ending faith in Ted - our faith that he is innocent - has never wavered. And it never will."

Her stance softened after Ted Bundy made a number of death-row confessions, the newspaper reported.
Mother of serial killer Ted Bundy dies in Washington

 

[Nikynoo]

They had no bargaining power to get him to plead guilty so fast, if they don't have the evidence.

MOO

The DA didn't get him to plea, the defence proposed the plea (2 different ones IIRC).

 

[Medstudies]

I don't like hearing the negative comments towards SW either. However, people tend to behave oddly and out of character when they are backed into a corner or in stressful situations. CW is responsible, not his mom or anybody else and that's where I'm leaving it.
jmo

All MOO:
Oddly enough SW’s family was backed into the opposite corner and then shoved off the cliff. Her family managed to issue a well measured response in short order to this viscous and vindictive interview. That’s who they are.

I just can’t help but point out the obvious: CW’s family has had plenty of time to mull over their opinions and craft decent responses before granting an interview. I firmly believe this is who they are. You know, I had initially thought perhaps SW overreacted to the MIL “nuts” incident. But now?, I fully believe that MIL was deliberate in her poor treatment of SW and the children. And I think that interview? That is them - at their best.

But back to that “backed in a corner” business: it’s unfortunate that they lacked the foresight to ask someone to convey a general “we love our son and will continue to be by his side. We wish Shanann’s family healing and peace as we all move forward during this difficult time” statement. - Especially if were too stressed to even manage to say one kind thing about their grandchildren.

Just wow.

 

[Nikynoo]

I would think that CW’s legal team would share information with his parents, with his permission of course. Question: Are sessions with his legal team confidential or are they recorded by LE?

Legal Privilege would apply, so no, they would not be recorded. My point is, CW's parents say that they have had no involvement in the discussions around the plea and I think this was a real shock to them.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

This is even after knowing Shanann's family requested no DP for Chris. It seems they don't even care their DIL is dead nor their grandchildren much. the interview smacks of denial, narcissism,ungraciousness and selfishness of character

I don't even think there are strong enough words in any human language for behavior like this. Beyond anything reasonable or decent, IMOO.

 

[kaykay543]

All MOO:
Oddly enough SW’s family was backed into the opposite corner and then shoved off the cliff. Her family managed to issue a well measured response in short order to this viscous and vindictive interview. That’s who they are.

I just can’t help but point out the obvious: CW’s family has had plenty of time to mull over their opinions and craft decent responses before granting an interview. I firmly believe this is who they are and I had initially thought perhaps SW overreacted to the MIL “nuts” incident. But now I fully believe that MIL was deliberate in her poor treatment of SW and the children. And I think that interview? That is them at their best.

But back to that “backed in a corner” business: it’s unfortunate that they lacked the foresight to ask someone to convey a general “we love our son and will continue to be by his side. We wish Shanann’s family healing and peace as we all move forward during this difficult time” statement. - Especially if were too stressed to even manage to say one kind thing about their grandchildren.

Just wow.

I think it is very telling that they never mention any of their dead grandchildren. Distancing just like their son did in his interviews. And the way CW dad looks down when the reporter asks them if CW didn't kill the girls why did he put them in an oil tank? Deep down they know the truth. They just can't admit it yet. But they should be ashamed of making ugly comments about SW and they should beg for forgiveness from SW parents

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I have not seen one person post that CW parents aren't in pain and hurting. The issue is that they are making derogatory comments about SW HIS wife that he killed. Victim blaming pure and simple. Nothing SW did or didn't do "made" him murder her or the girls. CW and CW alone is responsible for that.

I agree and never said otherwise.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

CW defense attorneys are there for him, not his mother, so she can get as mad as she wants. She has no say in anything. Nor should she. He’s not a child. I understand her not wanting to believe her son is a four time murderer but she’s really doing him no favors. I really don’t want to see this case get any uglier than it already is.

 

[Tortoise]

The DA didn't get him to plea, the defence proposed the plea (2 different ones IIRC).

There has to be leverage for a plea deal. Otherwise it's trial and take your luck with the sentence.

 

[Thepoet]

Ronnie and Cindy Watts seem to be stuck in Aug. 15, 2018, the day Ronnie talked to his son.

 

[Nikynoo]

CW defense attorneys are there for him, not his mother, so she can get as mad as she wants. She has no say in anything. Nor should she. He’s not a child. I understand her not wanting to believe her son is a four time murderer but she’s really doing him no favors. I really don’t want to see this case get any uglier than it already is.

I agree, however, if CW's parents were allowed to discuss his plea with him, they may have had a better understanding which may have prevented this outburst. It will be interesting to see if the PD advises them not to talk to the media as I doubt that they would want the deal to be discussed negatively.
IMO

 

[NuttMegg]

Legal Privilege would apply, so no, they would be recorded. My point is, CW's parents say that they have had no involvement in the discussions around the plea and I think this was a real shock to them.

He's in his thirties, really, why should they be accorded involvement in discussions around the plea? They let 3 months pass by without achieving discussions with him, assuming they tried. If they didn't try, then that's their own fault. If they tried and were rebuffed, IMO, that was CW's choice. He could get phone calls and have visitors if he wanted to.

 

[Nikynoo]

There has to be leverage for a plea deal. Otherwise it's trial and take your luck with the sentence.

I'm struggling to see what the leverage is in this case. It certainly wasn't the removal of the DP.

IMO, CW wanted it over and done with and was willing to take whatever the DA agreed to.