Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #51

[Charlot123]

I do as well.

What she is claiming he said and did, follows a typical pattern followed by numerous men before him, Scott Peterson being one of the most infamous examples.

What she says happened, would be backed up by texts and phone calls that law enforcement undoubtedly has analyzed.

She basically pulled an Amber Frey. Only instead of nailing a killer with courtroom testimony, she likely backed this guy into a corner, forcing a plea.

Absent evidence to the contrary, she’s a victim in my book.

She is not quite a victim in mine, maybe a collateral damage, but I can say that she has a very good lawyer!

Here is how I view it. I can't say I fully believe her account. Nichol probably knew that he was married but felt he was not much interested in his wife and on the prowl. Women feel such things; CW was not a nobody's ownership but sort of "swing state"; what women feel is total lack of inner loyalty to the wife; someone will get the dude sooner or later, so, why not try?

Nichol probably believed he was genuinely in love with her. For this, I am feeling pretty sorry for her.

CW, for all his poor social skills, had something that attracted women to him. Himself, I think, was always in his own world.

I believe CW loved Shanann once, but routine and her distraction with the sales killed that feeling. Perhaps something else was going on with CW that suddenly boosted his libido (I wonder about a mood disorder, because - a gay lover, a couple of APs, and at this, "let us have one more kid". Too many things).

I wonder what kind of person Nichol is. She looks intelligent, I also wonder if she likes computer games. Something prompts me to think that she and CW had more mutual interests than him and SW, and suited each other better, but I might be totally wrong, of course.

But in one way she totally matched CW's interests. She was clearly standing higher on the socio/economical ladder than he and Shanann. He lives among sales and videos and owes money to homeowners' association, and with Nichol, he has the opportunity and less jazz than at home, so to say.

What happened is in no way Nichol's fault, however. It is Chris Watts's opportunistic, inhuman mentality. "Found a better partner ----> too bad I am married with kids -----> Shanann and the kids have to go". So the guilt is his, and his alone.

And I don't think his diagnosis is NPD. One day we'll find the word for it. Today, I just call it annihilator's splitting. Between his own world he lives in and his fantasy.

He must have felt serious about Nichol. Otherwise, how would she know about the epi-pen? These are details you share with someone who you are interested in, and who is genuinely interested in the kids.

I imagine that at a certain moment, Nichol must have felt scared. Once he killed his family, she probably understood she could have been the next in line.

As to the rest, this is what good lawyers are for. She stayed low, cooperated with the investigator, and is out into the open once he confessed.

Someone once posted, "I believe she should change her name, move out of the area". The way she played it, she is out into the open, she keeps her family name, and she gets our sympathy.

One thing, Nichol Kessinger is not Amber Frey. Amber was a single, financially struggling, mom, introduced to SP by her friend who believed he was single, too. She lived far enough from Modesto not to know anything about SP's life. I believe she is in protective custody. And she risked by taping him. She is in more dire straits.

But - Chris Watts made his own choice, executed his family in cold blood, and while I bet NK is not happy with all this publicity, she should feel tremendously lucky. She is alive.

CW is something exceptionally weird. If you have no inner moral compass, then, stick to the law. Here, nothing.

JMO.

 

[tmar]

don't be sorry!
just more of a gosh.... which one?? was she meaning. (too many to choose)
karen did cross my mind of who .
I spend too much time websleuthing as is lmao
I do trek there from time to time

Yep.
I certainly have spotted you there, and a few other ones in Oz.
You get to like certain Posters.

 

[kkdj]

CW stated this in his talk, years ago.
Have a child, to save a marriage.
MOO.

omg. I wonder....

 

[tmar]

omg. I wonder....

It was presented here, on our threads early on.
At the time, CW certainly didn't present well, and did not look good.
See if you can find it.
You'll love it.
Now this happens, years later.

 

[Stripehaven]

Wouldn't there be blood all over the place if he beat her like that? Head and face wounds bleed a lot typically.

True. I hadn’t read enough about the leaked autopsy before I posted.

 

[kkdj]

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[kkdj]

It was presented here, on our threads early on.
At the time, CW certainly didn't present well, and did not look good.
See if you can find it.
You'll love it.
Now this happens, years later.

ah yes. I recall that.

 

[NuttMegg]

Good night everyone, its already tomorrow. There are a lot of people feeling terrible tonight as a result of the actions of this one man. Too bad he was ever born.

 

[stereopticons]

Found Deceased - CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #50

Trying to link to a post from the last thread I was quoted in, hope that works.

@RachB65 It’s true that treatment for all of the cluster b personality disorders (narcissistic, antisocial, borderline, histrionic) is very difficult. As far as I know, borderline is the only one with a lot of empirical evidence to support any kind of treatment. I suspect that because of the high rate of suicide/suicide attempts in BPD means they will end up in treatment more often than the others. We can’t really cure any mental health disorder at this point, but some are more effectively treated than others. I think behavioral therapy is the frontline treatment for personality disorders rather than a medicine, as it would be for something like depression. I’m a researcher, though, not a clinician, so my knowledge of the exact clinical guidelines for treatment may not be up to date.

 

[Charlot123]

So here is what has been verified....

While SW was in NC with the girls, CW was pretending to be single, and he had his AP over for sleepovers for 5 weeks of honeymoon fun. He pretended his marriage was over, and asked her to help him find an apartment for him and the girls.

I do wonder now, if maybe he planned to dispose of his wife and unborn son, but keep the girls around. He could sell the house, keep all the equity for himself, and get the pity and attention for being a single father with a missing pregnant wife.

It is possible that the girls saw him killing SW and so he felt he had to go all the way in?

Well, sadly, Shanann kept the house so pristine that it looked uninhabited. So one could pretend to be divorced.

 

[k-mac]

I think this makes the most sense at this point and another reason why he felt it was Shannan's fault the girls were killed. She might have put up quite a fight, screamed, whatever....and woke the girls up. I imagine if they would have stayed asleep CW would have left in the middle of the night to dispose of Shannan and left the girls home alone sleeping.

its feasible but would he have really had time to complete all this from 2am and made it to work on time, cool relaxed and the house in reasonable preparation for his story??
like he left at just after 5 iirc and didn't return.

3 hours to have killed everyone. ( and if the kids were not preplanned dealing with the emotions of what he just did)...hatched a plan.....cleaned up and got ready for work.
most importantly went to work and presented normal.
not the behaviour of a man who unintentionally but yet compelled to kill his kids.

also leaves the door wide open to a heat of passion defence and the wording of the charges doesnt support this.

the girls must have already been deceased. there was just too much to do and his demeanour supports a disconnection mentally as you would expect a self justifying murderer to be .
not impossible though??

jmo

 

[MassGuy]

its feasible but would he have really had time to complete all this from 2am and made it to work on time, cool relaxed and the house in reasonable preparation for his story??
like he left at just after 5 iirc and didn't return.

3 hours to have killed everyone. ( and if the kids were not preplanned dealing with the emotions of what he just did)...hatched a plan.....cleaned up and got ready for work.
most importantly went to work and presented normal.
not the behaviour of a man who unintentionally but yet compelled to kill his kids.

also leaves the door wide open to a heat of passion defence and the wording of the charges doesnt support this.

the girls must have already been deceased. there was just too much to do and his demeanour supports a disconnection mentally as you would expect a self justifying murderer to be .
not impossible though??

jmo

I think he could have killed them all at around the same time, cleaned up, and transported the bodies in short order.

We’re dealing with a guy who clearly doesn’t feel emotions in the same way that we all do. This was apparent in his news interviews, where he calmly lied about the circumstances of his family’s disappearance.

If he could behave this way in the aftermath of the atrocities, I think it’s reasonable to think that he also exhibited this same behavior during the commission of the crime.

I think he was thinking relatively clearly, devoid of emotion, and took care of what he had to do.

Being a sociopath was actually an advantage to CW here.

 

[katydid23]

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I wonder what kind of person Nichol is. She looks intelligent, I also wonder if she likes computer games. Something prompts me to think that she and CW had more mutual interests than him and SW, and suited each other better, but I might be totally wrong, of course.

But in one way she totally matched CW's interests. She was clearly standing higher on the socio/economical ladder than he and Shanann. He lives among sales and videos and owes money to homeowners' association, and with Nichol, he has the opportunity and less jazz than at home, so to say.

.

I think that it is very important info that his AP was his boss's daughter. I am sure that helped stoke his interest in her. What better way to move up the company ladder than to marry the daughter of the owner?

 

[k-mac]

I think he could have killed them all at around the same time, cleaned up, and transported the bodies in short order.

We’re dealing with a guy who clearly doesn’t feel emotions in the same way that we all do. This was apparent in his news interviews, where he calmly lied about the circumstances of his family’s disappearance.

If he could behave this way in the aftermath of the atrocities, I think it’s reasonable to think that he also exhibited this same behavior during the commission of the crime.

I think he was thinking relatively clearly, devoid of emotion, and took care of what he had to do.

This is one of the only advantages of being a sociopath.

yes a bit too meticulous though? considering he hadn't finished the staging and cleaning up.
so what was done before he left the house was reasonable.
definitely not the actions of a half wit bozo in a frenzy that's for sure.
someone very composed and PREPARED.

jmo

 

[Charlot123]

I think that it is very important info that his AP was his boss's daughter. I am sure that helped stoke his interest in her. What better way to move up the company ladder than to marry the daughter of the owner?

Agree. This does not mean that interests-wise, they were not a match.

And he would have been quite happy with her, provided he did not meet someone even higher on the social ladder!

 

[Jennifer17]

I think that it is very important info that his AP was his boss's daughter. I am sure that helped stoke his interest in her. What better way to move up the company ladder than to marry the daughter of the owner?

And you know, I think that he was attracted to Shanann because he thought she owned a house.

 

[katydid23]

its feasible but would he have really had time to complete all this from 2am and made it to work on time, cool relaxed and the house in reasonable preparation for his story??
like he left at just after 5 iirc and didn't return.

3 hours to have killed everyone. ( and if the kids were not preplanned dealing with the emotions of what he just did)...hatched a plan.....cleaned up and got ready for work.
most importantly went to work and presented normal.
not the behaviour of a man who unintentionally but yet compelled to kill his kids.

also leaves the door wide open to a heat of passion defence and the wording of the charges doesnt support this.

the girls must have already been deceased. there was just too much to do and his demeanour supports a disconnection mentally as you would expect a self justifying murderer to be .
not impossible though??

jmo

I dont think it would take that much longer to kill 2 toddlers and throw them in the back seat with Mom.

Disposing of them took a lot longer though.

Dealing with the emotions? I don't think it was that bog of a problem for him, sadly enough. He looked pretty chipper the next morning. All bright eyed and bushy tailed, in his nicely groomed beard and snazzy T-shirt.

He was ready to put on a show for his new sweetheart.

 

[Seattle1]

She said he wasn't wearing a wedding ring, though. He could have told everybody at work that they were getting a divorce for all we know. I think he lied to everyone - family, friends, co-workers... MOO

From family photos, it appears that CW's wedding band was heavy, wide. It would not be unusual for a man working in his capacity not to wear a ring for safety reasons-- especially if he does not wear gloves all the time. Again, CW used all within his reach to disguise the monster beneath the mask.

 

[Charlot123]

And you know, I think that he was attracted to Shanann because he thought she owned a house.

Well, the female APs resemble Shanann, so perhaps it was his preferred type.

 

[MassGuy]

From family photos, it appears that CW's wedding band was heavy, wide. It would not be unusual for a man working in his capacity not to wear a ring for safety reasons-- especially if he does not wear gloves all the time. Again, CW used all in within his reach to disguise the monster beneath the mask.

Yup, according to the company safety manual, rings and other jewelry are prohibited.

“Baggy or loose fitting clothing, rings, watches, neck chains or loose jewelry shall not be worn when such items could pose a hazard to the employee or a potential for damage to equipment.”

https://www.anadarko.com/content/documents/apc/Responsibility/HSE/HSE_Contractor_Manual.pdf

Just following the rules I’m sure.