Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #51

[borndem]

Just saw this -- please forgive if it's a repeat --
Very interesting article.

Chris Watts' Mistress Breaks Silence About Affair with Triple-Murderer: 'He Lied About Everything'

The mistress of admitted triple-murder Chris Watts said she was tricked into believing he was a loving father finalizing a divorce — and had no idea his wife was 15-weeks pregnant until she and their two daughters went missing in August.

"He’s a liar," Nichol Kessinger, 30, told The Denver Post in an interview on Thursday. "He lied about everything."
[...]
“He made me believe that he was doing all of the things that a rational man and good father would do,” she recalled.

Chris Watts’ Mistress Breaks Silence About Affair with Triple-Murderer: 'He Lied About Everything'

 

[Nessa131]

This may already be posted and if so I apologize but has anyone watched the full 21 minute interview with mommie watts? I can not fathom how she goes from sort of crying to immediately fine and talking about CW a half a second later- something just isnt right! I know they are victims too but i just can not get over her interviews and the things she says!

Extended Interview: Cindy Watts, Chris Watts' mother, questions son's plea deal

 

[nwmouse]

A lot of it sounds very familiar to many of us. Especially when she talked about how she did not like it when her son was criticized to her face, especially the " how he looked like a skater boy" comment.

Her priorities are clearly messed up.

She is giving more weight to the skater boy comment than her son's murderous actions.

When my grandma found out my uncle was gay she immediately said that at least she'd never lose her son to another woman. Unhealthy. Similar to Mother Watts and her precious baby Norman Bates.

I wonder if CW secretly harbors hatred for his overbearing Mother? That's why he's been avoiding her in jail?
moo

 

[Lore Listener]

We see many parents here who are in denial, etc and continue to defend their kids after they are accused of crimes. IMO, ARS’ mother who so bravely turned in her own son for Jessica’s murder is somewhat of a minority IMO.

I have always respected her for that. She loved him even after she knew the horror he had perpetrated, but she did the right and moral thing for Jessica and her loved ones. Wouldn't it be nice if Mother Watts had that moral baseline.

And wow, Todd Kohlhepp's mom died! I didn't know. What a monster she was. The exact opposite of Mindy Sigg. I lurked both of those cases hardcore. Jessica's case brought me here.

 

[PommyMommy]

From the beginning, we knew that CW confessed after speaking to his father. There were two theories in regards to what was said between the two:

CW tried his story first on his father.

CW and his father conspired to come up with this story.

If we are to believe his father, CW made up this story on his own.

And, wait for it............................

Investigators never believed Watts' stories, Rourke said.
Chris Watts pleads guilty to Colorado killing of pregnant wife, daughters - CNN

 

[NuttMegg]

They are claiming they were never allowed to discuss it with their son prior to the plea deal. CW told his father that he didn't murder the girls and murdered SW out of rage. His mother wasn't present during this conversation. According to the arrest affidavit, CW told LE the very same thing.

That's the point I became open to the possibility that CW was telling the truth and I had no idea he had also told his dad this prior to his confession to LE.

Right, he lied, over and over. How many lies did he tell before his affidavit confession? What difference does it make if one set of lies was to his father? Which lies did he tell his father about Shan'ann going away, which lies did he tell his father on the phone, and then in the car on the way to Frederick from Denver?

According to the DA last week, CW's defense team started approaching the DA with pleas, roughly 3 weeks before the final deal. In other words, about when the defense took a look at the autopsy. Have you heard about the preliminary reports on the autopsy, and the condition he left Shan'ann in? Basically beat the crap out of her. And then for fun, finished her off by strangling with his hands. No wonder they started tossing out pleas about the time of the release of the autopsy.
I just don't get any devotion to any one of his earlier confessions.

 

[MsBetsy]

Quoting myself to add I think he liked someone else making his decisions. He had no responsibility but could still complain about what the other person decided, so he is never at fault for anything that goes wrong. I have to deal with people like that at work, and it is maddening. I think he played his mother and his wife off against each other that way as well. To someone's face, he's fine with them telling him to do something, but he then turns around to another person and complains about being controlled.

I think that is exactly what he did. He appreciated (and used) his mother, his wife and others when it was convenient for him. He would never had been able to keep it up forever. Jmo

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

I think that she means that she should have had some input when he and his lawyers were discussing the plea.

What I am referring to is in her interviews when they were called and told there was going to be a hearing and he was going to plead guilty, they had the 30 minute visit with Chris. Cindy said when she tried to ask him if the plea was what he wanted the attorney shut her down saying cut that sh#t out or something to that effect. Now she is saying she did get to ask him if it he wanted to take the plea and he told her this is what he wanted to do. I understand she is desperate to try to change the situation but when will the lies ever stop?

 

[MassGuy]

And, wait for it............................

Investigators never believed Watts' stories, Rourke said.
Chris Watts pleads guilty to Colorado killing of pregnant wife, daughters - CNN

Haaa. He told 12 hours of lies over two separate interviews.

When he finally told “the truth”, police found his account so believable that they immediately charged him with five counts of first degree murder.

Ain’t nobody falling for his lies anymore. Except for his family of course, and his fan club.

 

[AbbyG]

They are claiming they were never allowed to discuss it with their son prior to the plea deal. CW told his father that he didn't murder the girls and murdered SW out of rage. His mother wasn't present during this conversation. According to the arrest affidavit, CW told LE the very same thing.

That's the point I became open to the possibility that CW was telling the truth and I had no idea he had also told his dad this prior to his confession to LE.

Even his affair knew how incredibly strange it was that CW was not emotional or seemingly concerned about his missing children (whom no matter what you believe, he actually already knew were dead and shoved in oil storage tanks by him). Even this woman knew that CW was guilty of murdering his wife AND children. Even she knew that his lies were too numerous to even pick apart. So the real issue is not whether CW is guilty or not -- that's off the table, he has confessed and you will see insurmountable evidence proving his guilt. The issue is a desperate mom -- understandable -- who bashes and blames his victim, his pregnant wife -- not understandable. Who didn't go to the wedding because she didn't like her son's choice in a wife. Not understandable. I do feel sorry for her but she seems to lack kindness and sense right now.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Do you think Chris resented his mother and blamed her for some of the problems in his marriage?

As a family Annihilator, in his mind perhaps in addition to killing his wife, he was killing his mother. So no need to see her after his family was missing, or in the courthouse. Or ever.

 

[MassGuy]

Even his affair knew how incredibly strange it was that CW was not emotional or seemingly concerned about his missing children (whom no matter what you believe, he actually already knew were dead and shoved in oil storage tanks by him). Even this woman knew that CW was guilty of murdering his wife AND children. Even she knew that his lies were too numerous to even pick apart. So the real issue is not whether CW is guilty or not -- that's off the table, he has confessed and you will see insurmountable evidence proving his guilt. The issue is a desperate mom -- understandable -- who bashes and blames his victim, his pregnant wife -- not understandable. Who didn't go to the wedding because she didn't like her son's choice in a wife. Not understandable. I do feel sorry for her but she seems to lack kindness and sense right now.

I don’t think her lacking “kindness and sense” is a new development. I think that’s just how she is.

A lot like her son.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Resented, feared, or a combination of the two.

Perhaps the murder of Shanann was CW projecting his anger towards his mother on SW.

We see that type of thing with serial killers, who share similar traits apparently exhibited by CW.

Narcissistic sociopaths.

This is what Tricia spoke about in the podcast. I think it's a very interesting theory and should be explored in the future.

 

[gitana1]

WHAT? OH NO! They are going to claim to be victims and blame Shanann. I hope someone has to approve their statement before it is read. Does someone approve statements before they are allowed?

What's interesting is that per the Act they aren't considered victims. Yet the court deemed them so:

" The Victim Rights Amendment states:
Any person who is a victim of a criminal act or such person’s designee, legal guardian, or surviving immediate family members if such person is deceased, shall have the right to be heard when relevant, informed and present at all critical stages of the criminal justice process. All terminology, including the term “critical stages” shall be defined by the general assembly (Article II, Section l6A Colorado State Constitution)."

Victim Rights Act (VRA) | Division of Criminal Justice

They've certainly been treated as victims. Given notice of proceedings and plea deals and transported to hearings. Etc.

But they don't fall within the definition. Unless in-laws are considered "immediate family"?

 

[Lady Justice21]

Is it possible they will ask the Judge to reject the plea deal because they are concerned about their son's state of mind after insisting to his father that he is innocent of the girls' murders?

I genuinely have no clue. Sounds like anything with them is possible. Just because they ask won't make it so. If the Judge has any concerns that the plea given already was involuntary, etc, he can ask CW to re-state on the record that it was his and his alone.

This next part isn't directed at your post at all just a general statement for anyone concerned. It's actually not uncommon at all for a victim giving a statement to be coming from a pro-defense point of view. A few examples: *some DV victims give statements on the behalf of defendants, *some parents of incest who are both victim and defendant parents give statements on behalf of the defendant. To be clear I do NOT know this Judge, but I'm pretty sure it's not his first rodeo.

All MOO

 

[gitana1]

Is it possible they will ask the Judge to reject the plea deal because they are concerned about their son's state of mind after insisting to his father that he is innocent of the girls' murders?

They absolutely can ask that. And the judge absolutely will listen and then not do what they ask.

 

[gitana1]

I genuinely have no clue. Sounds like anything with them is possible. Just because they ask won't make it so. If the Judge has any concerns that the plea given already was involuntary, etc, he can ask CW to re-state on the record that it was his and his alone.

This next part isn't directed at your post at all just a general statement for anyone concerned. It's actually not uncommon at all for a victim giving a statement to be coming from a pro-defense point of view. A few examples: *some DV victims give statements on the behalf of defendants, *some parents of incest who are both victim and defendant parents give statements on behalf of the defendant. To be clear I do NOT know this Judge, but I'm pretty sure it's not his first rodeo.

All MOO

Yes. I just read about a murder case where the adult daughters refused to accept that their dad killed their mom and they used the victim's rights process to support their father.

 

[BelleIsle]

Extended interview with Cindy Watts. Wow! Watch this. The things she says.
Extended Interview: Cindy Watts, Chris Watts' mother, questions son's plea deal

Holy heck. There's too much here to comment on all of it, but: "he's got one speeding ticket and he didn't even know about that..." Did I hear her correctly? Mommy took care of the ticket. I bet she's been doing this his whole life, he had zero culpability. Thanks for the link!

 

[JEM1975]

Totally agree. I think we need to keep that perspective too. He cold bloodedly killed his daughter's and unborn son. I think going down the path of whether he did it on the spur of the moment as they were witnesses starts to justify what he did in some way. Eg he's not as bad as if he set out to kill them. I get that we are all struggling to understand and that's because what he did is unfathomable.

If he truly loved and wanted his kids he would not have killed them. He would have not desecrated their precious wee bodies by dumping them in oil tanks, standing in front of media without one ounce of emotion and lying to the AP and from what is reported by the Thayer's was not acting like a man whose beloved children died.

That is not the response of a man whose children died in a domestic crossfire gone wrong IMO

And if he truly loved his kids, he would never have killed their momma!

 

[nwmouse]

Is that another grain of salt?

Ok, I love this.
A small dot that says more than a sentence!
I didn't figure out it was a symbol for a grain of salt until reading here.