Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #52

[katydid23]

On that Scott Reisch segment (see on you tube) he said IIRC that people giving victim statements could only look at the judge. He made it sound like a very strict rule.

Different states must have different rules about it then. I have seen many Impact Statements, and many times when the victim has looked right at the defendant and said ' YOU ruined my life, tore apart my family' ...'You have no idea what you did to my life and to my heart.' etc etc

Maybe the judges just ignore it, but I have seen the convict being addressed personally, and being looked right in their eyes by the victims.

 

[tmar]

Of course Chris and his dad talked in the car from the airport. Who wouldn’t. Mrs. Watts just doesn’t know what was said, because Mr. Watts and Chris aren’t going to tell her. Mrs. Watts only has to go by what Mr. Watts tells her.

Certainly Mr and Mrs Watts know the entire truth.
Mrs Watts is just louder, more vocal, about things.
She is not afraid to go public, and state what she intends to do.
She is out for the fight, with Mr Watts helping her more quietly.
MOO.

 

[katydid23]

I’m deliberately adding the bit prior … me, me, me.

"When Christopher called us … I said, ‘Do you want us to come down now?’ He said, ‘Tell Dad I need him. Tell Dad I need him to come down’. I said, ‘What about me?’ He said, ‘No Mom, just stay. Just send Dad’."

[Fascinating isn’t it? He didn't want to see her then and still doesn’t. Says much]

"And he picked him up at the airport and they drove to the police station and Chris still didn’t say anything to him, nothing. He’d already been interrogated 7 hours prior to that. He had already let the police go into his home, search everything, and he was going in for another interrogation".

Extended Interview: Cindy Watts, Chris Watts' mother, questions son's plea deal

That was interesting wording too===" Just send Dad."

Did Chris really say that^^^ or were those Mom's words? My son would never ask me to 'send' Dad. My husband can manage to go somewhere without me 'sending' him. I thought that was strange wording. Like he was a child or an employee or something.

 

[sun16]

Is the person still here who mentioned today that there are other grand children?

 

[Mitch11]

As I’ve mentioned, in the last 2 mass shooting cases LE has said something along the lines of how we can not “rationalize the irrational.”

There is actually a similarity between mass shooters and CW IMO, which is the potentially narcissistic element of blaming someone else for everything and “annihilating” a group. In the case of mass shooters, it can be a certain demographic group (not always) who in the mind of the shooter is to blame for everything. In CW’s case it was his own family, so one element of what is shared between CW and these mass shooters IMO is this outward blaming of others and potentiality to kill, and not just one person (as if that is not bad enough).

I can not help but think about my own man drama past and present as we discuss CW’s infidelities, lies, etc. I have decided that, like with mass shooters, no matter how dissatisfied or angry we are, we would never kill someone else and/or annhilate an entire group of people or family (or even single person).

I guess what I’m saying is that there is a clear and difference between us and them and it is this “line” that is so hard to understand.

I know that CW was likely selfish and wanted them gone so he could continue with his new life, etc, but really, just as we discuss the mental sanity of mass shooters, I really think that something has to be really screwed up in someone’s head to a serious degree to kill your whole family, a pregnant woman, baby girls...how can this be denied? Normal people would never and could never do something like this. There is something within him, like mass shooters, which lends itself to crossing that line into “annihilation”, moo.

Furthermore, all this past talk by some about SW being controlling, etc. So what if she was controlling. All of that discussion is so useless because it does not warrant murder.

Love this post! Totally agree. So what if she was controlling or bossy or whatever else 'they' want to label her. Like you say ut doesn't justify murder.

I also think people get bossier when they live with someone who acts incompetent or pathetic. Who knows how he was raised. Maybe his parents did everything for him so he lacked some life skills, and SW wasn't going to be a mum to him either so he had to step up? That may come across as bossy as someone isn't pulling their weight. Also if CW lied, exaggerated or lied by omission it can make communication between a couple challenging. Her 'bossiness' may reflect communication issues.

I too find it unbelievable that it can even be used as an excuse for murder. It disgusts me that it is women doing it to women too.

 

[The Farm]

Different states must have different rules about it then. I have seen many Impact Statements, and many times when the victim has looked right at the defendant and said ' YOU ruined my life, tore apart my family' ...'You have no idea what you did to my life and to my heart.' etc etc

Maybe the judges just ignore it, but I have seen the convict being addressed personally, and being looked right in their eyes by the victims.

Me too as I said wayyyyy up thread so I am wondering if this happens to be this particular judges request.

 

[Seattle1]

I was wondering if he met NK and told her he was divorcing before he found out Shanann was pregnant? She filmed the pregnancy video mid June so maybe that’s why his reaction was so weird? that he knew he was in trouble because he just told NK they were divorcing.

I think that's possible, and if true, very telling that he continued pursuing her. Typical narc, predator behavior... discard after securing new supply.

 

[Thepoet]

I don't think it has as much to do with that as the pregnancy, and I also don't believe that NK was CW's first fling. I think he's cheated before and likely when SW was pregnant. We've seen this with other family annihilators. Also interesting is that in each of the examples below, the fetus was male.

JEFFREY MACDONALD was tried and convicted in 1979 for the February 1970 murders of his pregnant wife and two daughters.
Jeffrey MacDonald | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers

CHARLES STUART murdered his pregnant wife and inflamed racial tensions in the Boston area by concocting a fictitious African-American assailant.
Charles Stuart | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers

JOHN SHARPE killed his wife Anna (who was five months pregnant with their son Francis) and his 20-month-old daughter Gracie with a spear gun. Sharpe later exhumed the body of his wife from a shallow grave, dismembered her, then disposed of her body in a landfill.
Sharpe family murders - Wikipedia

ETA: Not intended to be a complete list.
MOO

Well done, thank you!! Yes, pregnancy is certainly a dynamic and most likely a catalyst. In the example of CW, Sharpe, and MacDonald, they all had daughters before the wife became pregnant with a son. SP's wife was pregnant with a son; Conner.

 

[Pi Thoughts]

For us folk "down under" (Australia), is it a little over 20 hours until sentencing please?
Currently Monday 6.40am in my state.
TIA

 

[tmar]

What is weird is, he’d have to call dad back and see him and say ... hey, you know what I said in the car about her taking off? Actually I killed her instead. That had to be a shocker for dad. Yet he sat there pretty calm and unemotional in the joint interview with Chris’s mom, given months later, and still seemed like they aren’t sure what happened. C’mon man! These people do not seem like they have ever liked or cared about Shanann and the girls.

I agree with you, sun.
That joint interview, where the father is now unsure, what transpired.
He was there, in the car during the conversation.
Liars are liars, and remain so.
The son has this training, and continues.
MOO.

 

[RachB65]

Quite frankly, I think she will move to another Anadarko location as they are a worldwide company. She may have already done that. She is educated and experienced in the oil industry so she should have no problem moving on.

MOO
Somehow I doubt that if she doesn't stay right where she is, she would not go to another Anadarko location. Especially is she's trying to get away from it. The whole tragedy is probably widely known throughout the company, as the story has been internationally reported on. The bodies were found on Anadarko property put out there by one of its employees who murdered his family. And was having an affair with another employee. Now that her name face and story has gone public, im sure she would hardly be anonymous at another Anadarko location.

MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Is this only in this case because I think I have seen victim statements given in the past where they do look directly at the killer?
SBM

I could be wrong but didn't Sharon Roch look glaringly at SP delivering her statement? Then again, Colorado has imposed some strict court room decorum.

 

[Jennifer17]

For us folk "down under" (Australia), is it a little over 20 hours until sentencing please?
Currently Monday 6.40am in my state.
TIA

I think that it is about 4am Tuesday morning for EDT.
Are you in Qld?

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

I could be wrong but didn't Sharon Roch look glaringly at SP delivering her statement? Then again, Colorado has imposed some strict court room decorum.

I remember one of Jeffrey Dahmer's victim's relatives screaming at him in the courtroom.

 

[katydid23]

They don't have other grandkids

I know that NOW. I found out too late to edit my post. I feel terrible.

 

[Mitch11]

Since the Watts parents interview, with Mother Watts outright bashing and blaming Shanann, and both of them hardly mentioning their sweet, innocent, adorable grandchildren, all while propping up and excusing their son who is charged with and intends to plead guilty to killing them all... I have really been trying hard to put myself in their shoes. Just to see. Maybe as a domestic abuse survivor, I am overidentifying with Shanann and failing to see their side, right? I have to consider it before I take a stand.

So I've been asking myself, what would I do, if when my girls are grown, one of them were to do this. This exact situation. And I have to say, there's no way. There's no way I would ever feel their spouse deserved to be murdered (unless we are either talking about direct self-defense or abused partner syndrome, which clearly wasn't the case here). There's no way I would be more upset about my child going to prison than the brutal murder of 2 plus one soon-to-be grandchildren. I might believe my child's lie about the spouse killing the children and going into a rage for a bit, while I'm still in shock, out of sheer desperation, but eventually it just doesn't add up anymore. And the oil tanks?! No! If my daughter could do that to her children's bodies... all bets are off. And god knows, even if I did believe it, I would spend the entire interview talking about how much my daughter loved her children and would never hurt them and the rage and terror she must have felt finding out that her spouse killed them, rather than airing my petty grievances about the spouse and how I never liked them. And at some point, the evidence just adds up. Even the stories he personally told his parents conflict. He did it. He did it to his pregnant wife and his baby girls. His parents truly just don't care. They believe, like Chris did, that these were not human beings but Chris' property to dispose of when and how he felt like it. I did my best to try to empathize with these people and walk in their shoes, and I can't. Because I have a conscience and they don't. Sorry for the rant! @sun16 's statement just struck a chord of truth in me.

Fully agree! I'm sorry you experienced domestic violence too. That's horrendous. You raise excellent points. I think most of us on here would understand initial disbelief by them, and would feel empathy for them. However I think they lost us the moment they started victim blaming and overlooking justice for their grand babies

 

[Seattle1]

I’m deliberately adding the bit prior … me, me, me. [SBM]
He’d already been interrogated 7 hours prior to that.
Extended Interview: Cindy Watts, Chris Watts' mother, questions son's plea deal

I question Cindy's account of a 7 hour interrogation since CW had a busy day with his porch interviews, and pizza party with the Thayer's later that evening. Reportedly he left the Thayer's
house Wednesday headed to the airport to collect his Dad.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

Perhaps Mr Watts, was returning, due to 'orders' by his wife.
It appears clear, the Watts mother draws the lines.
Mr Watts may just be following his orders, and must return home.
Or perhaps he quietly, also does not approve of their son's marriage.
The fact he may have attended, the wedding, does not reveal his feelings.
MOO.

Yes, whatever the reason, something was more important to them than at least one of them staying in Colorado a few more days to support their son or till there were some answers as to where Shanann and the girls were. Too inconvenient, too much effort, dislike of Shanann, I don’t know, but it points to another example of how they seem to make decisions and view things based on how it effects them.

 

[Jennifer17]

I know that NOW. I found out too late to edit my post. I feel terrible.

How do we know that there are no other grandchildren. I thought that there was by some of the early threads.

 

[Jennifer17]

I question Cindy's account of a 7 hour interrogation since CW had a busy day with his porch interviews, and pizza party with the Thayer's later that evening. Reportedly he left the Thayer's
house Wednesday headed to the airport to collect his Dad.

That was my understanding as well.