Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #52

[Tortoise]

This is replying to RosalindaA post from previous thread, hope it works!

Apols Tortoise, trying to answer your post and having gremlins. I should have been clearer to state that we see a lot of blame attached to mothers in particular to all types of murderers (and rapists/criminals). FAs are an interesting and very rare (thank God) category of murderer but in many respects they act and "are permitted to act" by the same type of psychological make-up as other types of murderers....self-gratification, lack of conscience, ability to detach, arrogance etc, etc.

And a lot of the information is necessarily indirect, anecdotal and sometimes provided by the murderer themselves only which may well involve self-serving lies, especially about what caused them to develop. Real scientific research about this aspect of FAs/ murderers is very hard to come by, any links welcome.

Again, sorry can't quote at the moment but pretty much agree with Gitana's (996) great post above. The primary focus needs to be on Christopher Watts. I do think a lot of Mrs. Watts behaviour has been caused by CW's cowardly refusal to admit what he did face to face with her. I think this is allowing her to continue with her delusions. What a valuable piece of research would a videoed conversation between them be. Whatever I think of her statements personally, I can understand this freezing out is affecting her very adversely and in turn, causing great distress to Shannan's family and friends.

Personally, the murders of children have me convinced that these perpetrators are a very different breed of killer, from any other kind. And whilst I wholeheartedly agree that no one else is responsible for their deeds, I do think that the ability of a father to murder his 3 and 4 year old daughters is so disturbing that we are almost compelled to explore what was behind the development of this particular monster. Their families bear not so much responsibility but testament to their defective and abusive characters. I won't go into it further as regards the Watts because it has all been said here many times over, but I believe the pattern of family dysfunction seen here and in other cases is too glaring to be coincidental. Sorry if that is rambling, I feel very tired after having read so many posts today and I'm starting to not be able to construct proper sentences and paragraphs.

 

[sun16]

It doesn’t make sense to me that Chris would want to deal with killing Shanann when the girls were still alive and in their rooms/beds. Too much drama and too many things that could go wrong. But the Radar article (with podcast comments from sources—whoever they are) claim he killed Shanann first in the loft, and the girls woke up and were killed. I doubt this. How would they know this?

 

[mickey2942]

CW’s mistress has come forward.

Christopher Watts mistress Nichol Kessinger speaks about Frederick murders

Wow, that poor gal. I bet she is absolutely creeped out. Amazing how smooth psychopaths are at lying.

Odd that SW's baby was named, "Nico", I wonder if CW suggested that.

 

[sun16]

This is replying to RosalindaA post from previous thread, hope it works!



Personally, the murders of children have me convinced that these perpetrators are a very different breed of killer, from any other kind. And whilst I wholeheartedly agree that no one else is responsible for their deeds, I do think that the ability of a father to murder his 3 and 4 year old daughters is so disturbing that we are almost compelled to explore what was behind the development of this particular monster. Their families bear not so much responsibility but testament to their defective and abusive characters. I won't go into it further as regards the Watts because it has all been said here many times over, but I believe the pattern of family dysfunction seen here and in other cases is too glaring to be coincidental. Sorry if that is rambling, I feel very tired after having read so many posts today and I'm starting to not be able to construct proper sentences and paragraphs.

It is interesting and sad. How did Chris stand there at the party with the girls and probably laugh with them and eat cake, and then 4-12 hours later kill them with his own hands.

 

[Jennifer17]

It doesn’t make sense to me that Chris would want to deal with killing Shanann when the girls were still alive and in their rooms/beds. Too much drama and too many things that could go wrong. But the Radar article (with podcast comments from sources—whoever they are) claim he killed Shanann first in the loft, and the girls woke up and were killed. I doubt this. How would they know this?

They would not know.

 

[smucklecrumble]

It is interesting and sad. How did Chris stand there at the party with the girls and probably laugh with them and eat cake, and then 4-12 hours later kill them with his own hands.

The same way he was able to stand on his porch in a T-shirt purchased by the wife he murdered and plead for his families return - all the while knowing what he had done. It’s mind boggling! IMO

 

[BabyButterfly]

Monday can not come soon enough! Place nice, so we can all gather for this on Monday

 

[mtnlites]

It doesn’t make sense to me that Chris would want to deal with killing Shanann when the girls were still alive and in their rooms/beds. Too much drama and too many things that could go wrong. But the Radar article (with podcast comments from sources—whoever they are) claim he killed Shanann first in the loft, and the girls woke up and were killed. I doubt this. How would they know this?

Short answer: they probably don't.

 

[Jeng1810]

I’ve been trying to catch up with all the recent news but I have noticed a lot of negativity regarding his mother. She too is grieving. I unfortunately work in an industry where I see grieving daily. Some do it gracefully and others lash out. Even with all of my experiences I am the latter. No way is right or wrong it is just different. The facts are the facts and she will have to come to terms with them when she knows all of them so I don’t get angry hearing what she is saying now. Let this woman grieve in her own way and come to terms that her son is a murderer. MOO

 

[Deleted member 229974]

The same way he was able to stand on his porch in a T-shirt purchased by the wife he murdered and plead for his families return - all the while knowing what he had done. It’s mind boggling! IMO

And bone chilling.

 

[MassGuy]

It doesn’t make sense to me that Chris would want to deal with killing Shanann when the girls were still alive and in their rooms/beds. Too much drama and too many things that could go wrong. But the Radar article (with podcast comments from sources—whoever they are) claim he killed Shanann first in the loft, and the girls woke up and were killed. I doubt this. How would they know this?

They wouldn’t. This is total and complete nonsense based on a couple of delusional women who happen to have a podcast.

They are garbage.

Radar is garbage for giving them any credibility.

The answers will come on Monday, not from these sensationalist liars.

 

[Noreen McGurl]

Obviously we're dealing with somebody with some either mental issues /mentally crippling parasites and this Frankenstein did what he did because he is obviously not on a normal wavelength. He latched onto Shannan when she was weak at that point but a strong person and he needed her and she made him stronger made him the best he ever was and then he got high on feeling good and went out and explored other venues took advantage of them (narcissistic= inflated sense of self importance) and was thinking like he was in some alternate universe where he could just get rid of what he didn't want for today so he could have what in his mind he thought he wanted ..

there's definitely some deep-rooted psychosis here stemming obviously from his upbringing!!!

 

[PommyMommy]

It doesn’t make sense to me that Chris would want to deal with killing Shanann when the girls were still alive and in their rooms/beds. Too much drama and too many things that could go wrong. But the Radar article (with podcast comments from sources—whoever they are) claim he killed Shanann first in the loft, and the girls woke up and were killed. I doubt this. How would they know this?

The pod people speculated that Shanann was killed in the loft and the girls woke up. Radar Online pays for juicy gossip and has now reported it as fact. This is what happens when unethical, uneducated, attention-seeking media wh*res think it's fun to spout off wild theories for all the world to hear. It's disgusting and it can be dangerous. Murder Rap Sesh is not credible, Radar Online is not credible, and now we will likely spend pages and pages putting these ridiculous rumors to bed.

This is at the bottom of every one of RO's articles: We pay for juicy info! Do you have a story for RadarOnline.com? Email us at [email protected], or call us at 800-344-9598 any time, day or night.

 

[MassGuy]

I’ve been trying to catch up with all the recent news but I have noticed a lot of negativity regarding his mother. She too is grieving. I unfortunately work in an industry where I see grieving daily. Some do it gracefully and others lash out. Even with all of my experiences I am the latter. No way is right or wrong it is just different. The facts are the facts and she will have to come to terms with them when she knows all of them so I don’t get angry hearing what she is saying now. Let this woman grieve in her own way and come to terms that her son is a murderer. MOO

Grieving is one thing. Lashing out at a murder victim is another.

That’s where the criticism lies.

The Rcuzek family shouldn’t have to defend their daughter’s name after the Watts family goes on the attack.

It was as petty as it was vile.

 

[mtnlites]

I’ve been trying to catch up with all the recent news but I have noticed a lot of negativity regarding his mother. She too is grieving. I unfortunately work in an industry where I see grieving daily. Some do it gracefully and others lash out. Even with all of my experiences I am the latter. No way is right or wrong it is just different. The facts are the facts and she will have to come to terms with them when she knows all of them so I don’t get angry hearing what she is saying now. Let this woman grieve in her own way and come to terms that her son is a murderer. MOO

She has every right to grieve. But when she gets on national TV and starts publicly bashing a murdered pregnant woman, that crosses a major line. That is no longer grieving, that is being vindictive. I, too, am grieving. And I moderate Compassionate Friends meeting groups (people who have lost children). My criticism comes not for her grief, but the manner in which she is defaming a person who can no longer defend themselves.

 

[margarita25]

It is interesting and sad. How did Chris stand there at the party with the girls and probably laugh with them and eat cake, and then 4-12 hours later kill them with his own hands.

Absolutely CHILLING.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

It is interesting and sad. How did Chris stand there at the party with the girls and probably laugh with them and eat cake, and then 4-12 hours later kill them with his own hands.

I can't even wrap my mind around that scenario.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

I’ve been trying to catch up with all the recent news but I have noticed a lot of negativity regarding his mother. She too is grieving. I unfortunately work in an industry where I see grieving daily. Some do it gracefully and others lash out. Even with all of my experiences I am the latter. No way is right or wrong it is just different. The facts are the facts and she will have to come to terms with them when she knows all of them so I don’t get angry hearing what she is saying now. Let this woman grieve in her own way and come to terms that her son is a murderer. MOO

Most of the negativity surrounding CW's mother comes from her own mouth. IMOO.

 

[Noreen McGurl]

Being a mother I even hate to speculate, think about the situation but I would just want to bury my self in a hole and never even think about what happened and hide and feel ashamed at how I raised A MONSTER LIKE CHRIS WATTS, if she things bad-mouthing shannan will make him look better she's sadly mistaken and it just goes to prove where this Beast came from sorry but true

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

It doesn’t make sense to me that Chris would want to deal with killing Shanann when the girls were still alive and in their rooms/beds. Too much drama and too many things that could go wrong. But the Radar article (with podcast comments from sources—whoever they are) claim he killed Shanann first in the loft, and the girls woke up and were killed. I doubt this. How would they know this?

RBBM
That's if you believe it was planned.

I think a possible scenario is that she came in from her trip and there was an argument, possibly about the affair. He snaps and kills her first and then the girls. Perhaps they were witnesses. This has been my theory from the beginning and I haven't seen anything yet that would change my mind. Hopefully we know more on Monday.