Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #52

[Jeng1810]

Grieving is one thing. Lashing out at a murder victim is another.

That’s where the criticism lies.

The Rcuzek family shouldn’t have to defend their daughter’s name after the Watts family goes on the attack.

It was as petty as it was vile.

Perhaps so but I will not assume until I am in someone else’s shoes myself. I have heard many horrible things spewed only to be retracted later when acceptance settles in. Like I said doesn’t make it right. Just different.

 

[gitana1]

Wow, that poor gal. I bet she is absolutely creeped out. Amazing how smooth psychopaths are at lying.

Odd that SW's baby was named, "Nico", I wonder if CW suggested that.

Her life is forever altered.

 

[gitana1]

I’ve been trying to catch up with all the recent news but I have noticed a lot of negativity regarding his mother. She too is grieving. I unfortunately work in an industry where I see grieving daily. Some do it gracefully and others lash out. Even with all of my experiences I am the latter. No way is right or wrong it is just different. The facts are the facts and she will have to come to terms with them when she knows all of them so I don’t get angry hearing what she is saying now. Let this woman grieve in her own way and come to terms that her son is a murderer. MOO

I disagree. Lashing out in a manner that hurts living people IS wrong. Lashing out in a manner that blames the victim for her own demise IS wrong.

How we react to tragedy says something about our characters, IMO.

 

[Jax49]

Her life is forever altered.

Shivers...can't imagine having a physical relationship with a man and then finding out he was capable of killing his wife and children. moo

 

[Noreen McGurl]

RBBM
That's if you believe it was planned.

I think a possible scenario is that she came in from her trip and there was an argument, possibly about the affair. He snaps and kills her first and then the girls. Perhaps they were witnesses. This has been my theory from the beginning and I haven't seen anything yet that would change my mind. Hopefully we know more on Monday.

I think he had some of it planned out but he also is si selfish and went out on Saturday night probably with his girlfriend had a fun time, pretending to be poor single dad, and now Shanann was coming home for good and he's just so selfish could not deal with it and instead of thinking rationally like a normal human being he thought like an animal who just wanted what he wanted in the time being and couldn't cover up his lies anymore

 

[Jeng1810]

I disagree. Lashing out in a manner that hurts living people IS wrong. Lashing out in a manner that blames the victim for her own demise IS wrong.

How we react to tragedy says something about our characters, IMO.

I’m cool to agree to disagree!

 

[gitana1]

RBBM
That's if you believe it was planned.

I think a possible scenario is that she came in from her trip and there was an argument, possibly about the affair. He snaps and kills her first and then the girls. Perhaps they were witnesses. This has been my theory from the beginning and I haven't seen anything yet that would change my mind. Hopefully we know more on Monday.

He pled guilty to murder with deliberation and premeditation.

That belies "snapping".

 

[MassGuy]

Perhaps so but I will not assume until I am in someone else’s shoes myself. I have heard many horrible things spewed only to be retracted later when acceptance settles in. Like I said doesn’t make it right. Just different.

This isn’t your normal case, in that it involves a “family annihilator.”

Many of us who are familiar with such cases, already knew what to expect from this family.

We knew what they would be like before we ever saw them, before they ever opened their mouths.

It wasn’t a wild guess. It was based on all the cases we’ve seen before.

As rare as these events are on the whole, similar dynamics are invariably in play.

The family here is almost prototypical, and their denial and vitriol is nothing new.

Cindy Watts may come to her senses in regards to her son’s guilt, but she will never hold him accountable for his actions.

Shanann will always be the cause, and her son a victim of her actions.

There will never be a retraction, nor anything amounting to a true apology.

Chris Watts inflicted the damage.

The Watts family will continue to exacerbate it.

 

[peedoffinny]

I’ve been trying to catch up with all the recent news but I have noticed a lot of negativity regarding his mother. She too is grieving. I unfortunately work in an industry where I see grieving daily. Some do it gracefully and others lash out. Even with all of my experiences I am the latter. No way is right or wrong it is just different. The facts are the facts and she will have to come to terms with them when she knows all of them so I don’t get angry hearing what she is saying now. Let this woman grieve in her own way and come to terms that her son is a murderer. MOO

After watching the full video that someone posted earlier today (sorry, forgot who posted it), I had a change of heart with the Mom. I think that she is saying 'HER truth' as she sees and feels it. I think I know my daughter better than anyone else and if she was accused of killing her children, I would never believe it. If someone showed me evidence, forcing me to see the truth, I would probably still deny it because I know (or think I do) that my daughter would never do such a thing. The next step would probably be, well, if she did do it, then someone must have forced to do it or she had some type of psychotic break. I would need to talk directly to her and get the answers of why it happened. I can understand her reactions by putting myself in her shoes. I don't like the comments she made about Shannan, but I believe she sees 'her truth' differently than the majority and believes she must change the outcome. Sorry if this is rambling or doesn't make sense, just thinking out loud.

 

[askedandanswered]

I believe IF his mom would have came out and simply stated that she wasn’t sure what to believe and discussed CW exclusively people would be more understanding. I tried to listen while giving her the benefit of the doubt because she has experienced a tragedy also. But, the way she approaches the topic of SW with complete coldness-it doesn’t help matters at all. That is the mother of your grandchildren and someone who your son has admitted from the beginning he murdered...I’m just really not able to understand why she would come out publicly with that attitude towards SW...

 

[liltexans]

Perhaps so but I will not assume until I am in someone else’s shoes myself. I have heard many horrible things spewed only to be retracted later when acceptance settles in. Like I said doesn’t make it right. Just different.

What if acceptance never settles in? It never did for Jackie Peterson or for Todd Kohlhepp's mother. Some people do retract the vile things they said when they were deeply embedded in their grief, but not all people do. That can't be normal, right? Eventually, reality should set in, shouldn't it? Why doesn't it with some of the parents of murderers?

 

[Jeng1810]

This isn’t your normal case, in that it involves a “family annihilator.”

Many of us who are familiar with such cases, already knew what to expect from this family.

We knew what they would be like before we ever saw them, before they ever opened their mouths.

It wasn’t a wild guess. It was based on all the cases we’ve seen before.

As rare as these events are on the whole, similar dynamics are invariably in play.

The family here is almost prototypical, and their denial and vitriol is nothing new.

Cindy Watts may come to her senses in regards to her son’s guilt, but she will never hold him accountable for his actions.

Shanann will always be the cause, and her son a victim of her actions.

There will never be a retraction, nor anything amounting to a true apology.

Chris Watts inflicted the damage.

The Watts family will continue to exacerbate it.

I am very familiar with these types of cases as well but in a more personal sense and we can agree to disagree.

 

[Jeng1810]

What if acceptance never settles in? It never did for Jackie Peterson or for Todd Kohlhepp's mother. Some people do retract the vile things they said when they were deeply embedded in their grief, but not all people do. That can't be normal, right? Eventually, reality should set in, shouldn't it? Why doesn't it with some of the parents of murderers?

We don’t know the terms they come to personally only what is publicized. And I’m sure there are some out there that will never come to terms with the tragedy of a situation. But that is on them and not for me to speculate.

 

[liltexans]

I disagree. Lashing out in a manner that hurts living people IS wrong. Lashing out in a manner that blames the victim for her own demise IS wrong.

How we react to tragedy says something about our characters, IMO.

Lashing out in general shows an extreme lack of emotional intelligence (EQ), whether the person is experiencing grief or not. Lashing out may indicate the presence of a mental illness, such as bipolar disorder, but it also may indicate that the person lashing out has a very low EQ. EQ and IQ are two very different things. One can have a very high IQ and a very low EQ.

 

[Whiteorchids]

Someone posted here on WS a long way back towards the beginning that he or she personally had a friend that was a neighbor of SW. word got out SW was upset before returning home from her trip because CW wouldnt let her talk to the girls and his behavior strange. I don’t know if this is true or not but it makes since if they were already dead when she wanted to talk to them and that’s why CW wouldn’t let her. Murderers always tell half truths in their story perhaps when she got home perhaps she saw the girls on the monitor and they didn’t look right or she opened the door a crack to check in on them as it was late. That would be the first thing I would do as a mom after returning home from a trip without my kids especially after my husband would not let me talk to them on the phone. I think CW followed behind her into the girls room and when she opened the door seeing them deceased CW immediately grabbed her neck from behind before she had a chance to scream and that’s why the neighbors never heard anything except possibly the dachshund barking or he could have knocked her out from behind with a bat or heavy blunt object causing a head injury with internal bleeding. JMO

I don’t believe a word from the podcast people.

 

[Jeng1810]

After watching the full video that someone posted earlier today (sorry, forgot who posted it), I had a change of heart with the Mom. I think that she is saying 'HER truth' as she sees and feels it. I think I know my daughter better than anyone else and if she was accused of killing her children, I would never believe it. If someone showed me evidence, forcing me to see the truth, I would probably still deny it because I know (or think I do) that my daughter would never do such a thing. The next step would probably be, well, if she did do it, then someone must have forced to do it or she had some type of psychotic break. I would need to talk directly to her and get the answers of why it happened. I can understand her reactions by putting myself in her shoes. I don't like the comments she made about Shannan, but I believe she sees 'her truth' differently than the majority and believes she must change the outcome. Sorry if this is rambling or doesn't make sense, just thinking out loud.

Makes total sense! We all process things differently!!! Just like I watch people in traffic daily on my commute to and from work. Some cope well; some not so well; some get crazy. It’s not right or wrong just different! I appreciate your support understanding her reality!

 

[Jennifer17]

After watching the full video that someone posted earlier today (sorry, forgot who posted it), I had a change of heart with the Mom. I think that she is saying 'HER truth' as she sees and feels it. I think I know my daughter better than anyone else and if she was accused of killing her children, I would never believe it. If someone showed me evidence, forcing me to see the truth, I would probably still deny it because I know (or think I do) that my daughter would never do such a thing. The next step would probably be, well, if she did do it, then someone must have forced to do it or she had some type of psychotic break. I would need to talk directly to her and get the answers of why it happened. I can understand her reactions by putting myself in her shoes. I don't like the comments she made about Shannan, but I believe she sees 'her truth' differently than the majority and believes she must change the outcome. Sorry if this is rambling or doesn't make sense, just thinking out loud.

Would you still believe your daughter if the circumstances were the same as in this case?
If she hid the bodies of her children and then lied about where they were all the while knowing that they were dead?

 

[ilovewings]

This isn’t your normal case, in that it involves a “family annihilator.”

Many of us who are familiar with such cases, already knew what to expect from this family.

We knew what they would be like before we ever saw them, before they ever opened their mouths.

It wasn’t a wild guess. It was based on all the cases we’ve seen before.

As rare as these events are on the whole, similar dynamics are invariably in play.

The family here is almost prototypical, and their denial and vitriol is nothing new.

Cindy Watts may come to her senses in regards to her son’s guilt, but she will never hold him accountable for his actions.

Shanann will always be the cause, and her son a victim of her actions.

There will never be a retraction, nor anything amounting to a true apology.

Chris Watts inflicted the damage.

The Watts family will continue to exacerbate it.

I really like what you said and believe you are right , but why is his family like that? it is so selfish and self-centered, mean and nasty to blame the victim---

 

[Jennifer17]

Lashing out in general shows an extreme lack of emotional intelligence (EQ), whether the person is experiencing grief or not. Lashing out may indicate the presence of a mental illness, such as bipolar disorder, but it also may indicate that the person lashing out has a very low EQ. EQ and IQ are two very different things. One can have a very high IQ and a very low EQ.

It is very immature behaviour and to do it publicly is more immature and selfish.
Me, me, me.

 

[gitana1]

Obviously we're dealing with somebody with some either mental issues /mentally crippling parasites and this Frankenstein did what he did because he is obviously not on a normal wavelength. He latched onto Shannan when she was weak at that point but a strong person and he needed her and she made him stronger made him the best he ever was and then he got high on feeling good and went out and explored other venues took advantage of them (narcissistic= inflated sense of self importance) and was thinking like he was in some alternate universe where he could just get rid of what he didn't want for today so he could have what in his mind he thought he wanted ..

there's definitely some deep-rooted psychosis here stemming obviously from his upbringing!!!

Something is defective but I don't think he shows any signs of psychosis. And didn't. No signs of hallucinations or delusions. I've never seen psychotic people able to act so calmly and deceptively in the organized manner he did, in an effort to conceal a crime.

Here is an example of a schizophrenic criminal flirting around the edges of psychosis, after he committed arson but before arrest and then at arriagnment.

Compare him with CW's behavior: