Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #53

[molly1255]

If it's true it also makes me think his dad COULD have given him the idea to blame Shanann. JMO

Hopefully we find all of that out.

 

[tmar]

If it's true it also makes me think his dad COULD have given him the idea to blame Shanann. JMO

I was thinking this.
As stated, CW's dad, had a few hours to think, between conversations.

Also Shan'ann's brother, initially stated, that CW admitted to killing all initially.
All will be revealed. in 10 hours.

 

[molly1255]

I was thinking this.
As stated, CW's dad, had a few hours to think, between conversations.

Also Shan'ann's brother, initially stated, that CW admitted to killing all initially.
All will be revealed. in 10 hours.

Exactly. I remember that her brother stated this.

 

[MCDRAW]

Nuts in the house. When Mrs. Watts said, “ It was like I couldn’t do anything right,” made me think Shanann was right. She can’t do anything right.

This is the only thing that I can really take up for Cindy about. I have learned that most people that do not have a child with severe allergies just don't understand. I had a friend that always complained about holiday candy having nuts. I never said anything but I always thought, just don't buy it for them. What's the big deal? Then my daughter was diagnosed with Celiac disease. Not an allergy. An Auto-immune disease but because of it I learned all about contamination. It's a nightmare.

Of course, I'm sure in the Watts family case, they didn't believe anything Shanann said.

 

[gregjrichards]

As others have already answered, they're definitely going to be released due to the laws of the state.

But I would be happy never to have them released if it helped Shanann's family. On the other hand, the constitution demands transparency. We don't want to enable secret trials in this country.

Unlike many, I suspect there won't be any massive bombshell in the reports. I think they will be sad and stark. Bruising around the necks and petechiae in the eye. Weights. Stomach contents. Lividity. The size and condition of baby Nico. Etc.

Just the desolate reminders of three vibrant lives and one to be, that became corpses on a table.

Horrific enough in black and white.

I may not read them. I might just wait for @MassGuy to sum them up.

Frankly, I'm going to be relieved when this case is over.

Thank you Gitana1 for your reply. Your knowledge and experience has been invaluable since this horrific tragedy happened.

 

[Jennifer17]

Exactly, to all of the above posts. It's bizarre, ridiculous, and shows a lack of real caring about the girls if the accusation came from someone close. I always assumed it was some random internet people like the pod people making these things up... Not so sure now.

No, it was their grandmother and aunt who decided that the girls not only did not have asthma but also not nut allergies and they were willing to risk a child's life to prove that their mother was a liar.
I cannot get anything else out of that episode.

 

[Gardener1850]

Not even what used to be called a medical specialist, more a technician. Two year course.

Well that fits right in with a family who bragged about CW going to NASCAR school as if he was sent to an Ivy League school.




*Disclaimer I have great respect for people who choose a trade school career (University is not for everyone and we need mechanics) but it's still laughable to me the amount of pride the family shows over CW's "education" as if this choice was going to make him rich and famous. They also seemed to blame SW for making CW change careers to the oil field-- which is funny because I bet he made more money with SW than before she came along. JMO.

 

[Jennifer17]

Well that fits right in with a family who bragged about CW going to NASCAR school as if he was sent to an Ivy League school.




*Disclaimer I have great respect for people who choose a trade school career (University is not for everyone and we need mechanics) but it's still laughable to me the amount of pride the family shows over CW's "education" as if this choice was going to make him rich and famous. They also seemed to blame SW for making CW change careers to the oil field-- which is funny because I bet he made more money with SW than before she came along. JMO.

About the NASCAR stuff, you can be picked in a squad, like in sports, but you are just competing against the others picked in that squad. Obviously, CW did not make the grade.
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[tmar]

If we are so worked up, about tomorrow, imagine Shan'ann's family and friends.
Perhaps the family are more aware of the evidence than us, but it still will be nerve racking.
They have the added trauma of seeing CW again, something that will be horrible for them.
CW was trusted with their girls.
They spent time with this evil person.
Their lovely girls, and Nico are destroyed forever.
Now they face this monster.

 

[Gardener1850]

No, it was their grandmother and aunt who decided that the girls not only did not have asthma but also not nut allergies and they were willing to risk a child's life to prove that their mother was a liar.
I cannot get anything else out of that episode.

That's what I got out of it as well. I know a MIL who put a food her DIL was allergic to into a casserole and then tried to lie to the DIL and tell her it was safe for her. Fortunately, the other family members were watching MIL cook and told the DIL not to eat it. It was something everyone knew was present as soon as they tasted the food too. It wasn't something MIL could get away with lying about. The only thing the rest of the family could conclude was that she was either trying to kill her DIL or she didn't believe her allergy was real. The DIL carried two epipens. That DIL never ate another meal in the MIL's house. There are people who don't believe food can kill someone and they pull those sorts of things. Those are dangerous people IMO. And Cindy had the nerve to say SW was "dangerous" without any explanation. Really made me angry.

 

[Layla123]

This is the only thing that I can really take up for Cindy about. I have learned that most people that do not have a child with severe allergies just don't understand. I had a friend that always complained about holiday candy having nuts. I never said anything but I always thought, just don't buy it for them. What's the big deal? Then my daughter was diagnosed with Celiac disease. Not an allergy. An Auto-immune disease but because of it I learned all about contamination. It's a nightmare.

Of course, I'm sure in the Watts family case, they didn't believe anything Shanann said.

Bella had epi-pen. I think it was Bella. Epi-pens require a prescription, and that means she had a life threatening allergic reaction that was diagnosed by a physician. If exposed to that allergen again, Bella could have died. That’s what epi-pens are for. This isn’t something Shanann made up. It’s very serious. I worked with kids, so I heard about nut allergies all the time. Many kids can’t be in the same room with nuts. Mrs. Watts really blew that one. If a child’s mother gives a warning about their child’s health, there’s no excuse for not respecting it.

 

[MKZoo]

No, it was their grandmother and aunt who decided that the girls not only did not have asthma but also not nut allergies and they were willing to risk a child's life to prove that their mother was a liar.
I cannot get anything else out of that episode.

Exactly right. This was not about relatives having a hard time grasping the intricacies of dealing with serious allergies or other health issues like asthma or celiac. (Which is not actually that uncommon) This was a not at all subtle insinuation that SW had simply fabricated all of them. I honestly felt like I’d gone through the looking glass during the entire discussion.

Jmo.

 

[Jennifer17]

That's what I got out of it as well. I know a MIL who put a food her DIL was allergic to into a casserole and then tried to lie to the DIL and tell her it was safe for her. Fortunately, the other family members were watching MIL cook and told the DIL not to eat it. It was something everyone knew was present as soon as they tasted the food too. It wasn't something MIL could get away with lying about. The only thing the rest of the family could conclude was that she was either trying to kill her DIL or she didn't believe her allergy was real. The DIL carried two epipens. That DIL never ate another meal in the MIL's house. There are people who don't believe food can kill someone and they pull those sorts of things. Those are dangerous people IMO. And Cindy had the nerve to say SW was "dangerous" without any explanation. Really made me angry.

They would feel differently about it if the child was their own child. How dare they not believe their daughters in law.

 

[MCDRAW]

That was in the paragraph right above the one I'm referencing.

What I'm referring to is the second to last sentence on page 2. Several words are blacked out in that sentence, and it was right before he asked to speak to his dad and then he would tell the truth.

We've discussed this blacked sentence before, but I don't think we ever really figured out what it was. If the Denver7 article is accurate and it says police documents said he admitting to doing so (killing them) then I think it's possible he admitted it during his interrogation and then came back with his confession, which was the lie about Shanann.

It that is accurate, he was totally toasted, because that would have been used against him. IMO.

https://mediaassets.thedenverchannel.com/document/2018/08/20/arrest affidavit chris watts_95256653_ver1.0.pdf

Thank you. I had somehow missed this.

 

[ZsaZsa]

That was in the paragraph right above the one I'm referencing.

What I'm referring to is the second to last sentence on page 2. Several words are blacked out in that sentence, and it was right before he asked to speak to his dad and then he would tell the truth.

We've discussed this blacked sentence before, but I don't think we ever really figured out what it was. If the Denver7 article is accurate and it says police documents said he admitting to doing so (killing them) then I think it's possible he admitted it during his interrogation and then came back with his confession, which was the lie about Shanann.

It that is accurate, he was totally toasted, because that would have been used against him. IMO.

https://mediaassets.thedenverchannel.com/document/2018/08/20/arrest affidavit chris watts_95256653_ver1.0.pdf

This is exactly what her brother's FB post said on 8/16 - that he admitted to killing them all. He obviously got that information from LE.

 

[MCDRAW]

Bella had epi-pen. I think it was Bella. Epi-pens require a prescription, and that means she had a life threatening allergic reaction that was diagnosed by a physician. If exposed to that allergen again, Bella could have died. That’s what epi-pens are for. This isn’t something Shanann made up. It’s very serious. I worked with kids, so I heard about nut allergies all the time. Many kids can’t be in the same room with nuts. Mrs. Watts really blew that one. If a child’s mother gives a warning about their child’s health, there’s no excuse for not respecting it.

I understand and agree. I had one that had an epi-pen. It cost me a fortune every time I had to renew it but I was so happy I never had to use it. I have watched my daughter with Celiac disease be deathly ill and it take weeks and months to recover because her grandmother fed her gluten. My mother replied, well she needs to learn what she can eat and what she can't. Umm she knows what she can have and what she can't. She asked you what you cooked it with and you said nothing. We have learned to take her food every where. I honestly, don't know how Shanann could stand to be around them or let her children be around them. They really didn't know they should have cherished her. Most DIL's wouldn't have put up with them.

 

[Niner]

Monday, November 19th:
*Official Sentencing (@ 10am MT) - CO – Shan’ann Watts (34) (was 15 wks pregnant), Celeste “CeCe” (3) & Bella (4) (Aug. 13, 2018, Frederick; Shan’ann found 8/16/18 in open field, 2 girls found 8/17/18 in a crude oil tank) – *Christopher Lee Watts (33) arrested (8/15/18) & charged (8/20/18) on 3 counts of 1st degree murder, 2 counts of 1st degree murder of under age of 12 yrs old, 1 count of unlawfully terminating a pregnancy & 3 counts of tampering with evidence. Held without bond.
11/6/18 Update: Status hearing: Watts pleads guilty to total of 9 counts for the Murders of his wife, 2 daughters & unborn son to avoid the death penalty. Defendant as part of this plea cannot come back & waive the facts. He has agreed to pay restitution for the funeral and burial. The prosecution can withdraw his plea if he were to commit another felony before sentencing. Nov. 19th 10:30am sentencing for Watts; will be live-streamed. He will receive life without the possibility of parole.

 

[JudgeJudi]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=329387721138561

That was an interesting video I hadn’t seen before.

The reporter said, “I did talk to one neighbour though, MH, who lives just a few doors down, and he told me he suspected this from the very beginning. He thought Chris seemed a little bit aloof and that something seemed a little bit off about him. He said the second he heard his wife and two girls were missing, that Shan’ann, Bella and Celeste were missing, he thought this could be something similar to the Scott and Laci Peterson case, and he said, “I really hoped in this situation that I wasn’t right”.

This is the only person who seems to have picked up on something being off with CW and he immediately thought of the SP case. And he said it the night CW was arrested, before anyone knew what had happened. Wow. It seems very strange that people who knew him much better hadn’t noticed any changes.

 

[MCDRAW]

Exactly right. This was not about relatives having a hard time grasping the intricacies of dealing with serious allergies or other health issues like asthma or celiac. (Which is not actually that uncommon) This was a not at all subtle insinuation that SW had simply fabricated all of them. I honestly felt like I’d gone through the looking glass during the entire discussion.

Jmo.

I agree. They didn't believe her. And like someone said earlier they put their grandchildren's lives at risk. I can't imagine.

 

[Jennifer17]

I understand and agree. I had one that had an epi-pen. It cost me a fortune every time I had to renew it but I was so happy I never had to use it. I have watched my daughter with Celiac disease be deathly ill and it take weeks and months to recover because her grandmother fed her gluten. My mother replied, well she needs to learn what she can eat and what she can't. Umm she knows what she can have and what she can't. She asked you what you cooked it with and you said nothing. We have learned to take her food every where. I honestly, don't know how Shanann could stand to be around them or let her children be around them. They really didn't know they should have cherished her. Most DIL's wouldn't have put up with them.

People who are not willing to be educated just will not understand it. People of their generation died because no one knew about modern medical discoveries. Some people just resist it because they survived, but many did not.