Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #55

[RachB65]

I know the paper bags are common procedure, they are usually bagged at the crime scene. The alcohol may have been because she had something with dinner that night, but I think it can also be present in the body regardless, in very small amounts. The coffin birth I'm not sure about. Did it specifically say that in the autopsy report? I haven't read it. Is it linked somewhere?

 

[Mercedes]

So much energy and focus has gone into Cindy Watts. We’ve been talking about her for days. Now she is free to go visit CW in jail whenever she wants, and she can bring him cookies and try to squeeze all the information out of him she can get. I don’t really care, it won’t bring Shanann, Bella, and CeCe back.

I don’t think Chris will see his mother for a really long time, if ever.

 

[RachB65]

Sorry I missed previous posts in regard to " coffin birth." Was this what happened? The fetus was expelled through the birth canal and was found seperated from the body? If so, this is very rare, especially that early in the pregnancy. I would have thought the fetus was found inside her body. Was this verified?

There's a link here somewhere for the autopsy reports but the results have also been posted by members here. Yes, the fetus, what was left of it, was found expelled from the body

 

[MsBetsy]

Agree, that may be their last opportunity to ever speak to him. I also think they were trying to deter him from committing suicide .

I'm sure that's what they fear. In court he seemed like a completely broken man. He didn't hold his head up or have a smirk on his face or look completely stone faced like we have seen with other killers. I think he was trembling with fear and shame. Not so much for what he did, but because he knows what the whole world thinks of him. It is a Narcissists worst fear. That everyone will know what he has done. Also I think the anticipation of what's ahead if him is too much for him to bare. If he thought he had a chance and this had gone to trial, I think we would have seen a different man in court. He knows he has been beaten and his true self revealed to all. I don't think he is capable of living with that. Imo

 

[kay74]

Don't discount CW's mother for being part culprit in all of this. I think she gave him the negativity against Shanann. That partly drove his rage too. This all played in his mind. She should have been telling him to love her as his wife and mother of this children. Mother's have great influence over their adult sons.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

I don’t think Chris will see his mother for a really long time, if ever.

*world's tiniest violin* wah wah WAHHHHHH......

 

[MsBetsy]

You can't make a page private.

ETA, they had a page and a group. The page is gone. They may have unpublished it instead of deleted it, but it can't be made closed or secret like a group

Oh, I think I understand. I have no idea how these things work. So if they have unpublished it, it may be gone forever? Could they just start under a new name? I would think they would be running with their tails between their legs. Maybe this will be the end of his followers. I wonder if the FB group is still active or if people are still denying he did it. Jodi Arias still has an active group of supporters. Imo

 

[Mercedes]

I’m thinking NK probably met the girls and stayed the night in SW house many times while the girls were sleeping, perhaps they woke up and saw their Dad in bed with her and threatened to tell SW. I don’t see CW as being very discreet around the girls as I don’t think he cared.

I understood Chris only had the girls for a few days.

 

[MsBetsy]

Don't discount CW's mother for being part culprit in all of this. I think she gave him the negativity against Shanann. That partly drove his rage too. This all played in his mind. She should have been telling him to love her as his wife and mother of this children. Mother's have great influence over their adult sons.

Yes, perhaps in his mind his mother and wife became one, or at least Shanann represented her and by killing her he also eliminated his mother. Or at the very least, took all his pent up rage against his mother out on his wife. Jmo

 

[LeeAnnB]

Don't discount CW's mother for being part culprit in all of this. I think she gave him the negativity against Shanann. That partly drove his rage too. This all played in his mind. She should have been telling him to love her as his wife and mother of this children. Mother's have great influence over their adult sons.

Possibly, however I am sure he stoked that fire with lies about Shanann.

 

[Mercedes]

I’m a natural very light yellow blonde hair and I’m starting to get really white silver hairs not gray from age.

So does my husband. Sometimes I can’t tell the blonde from the silver.

 

[MsBetsy]

I understood Chris only had the girls for a few days.

Yes, I also don't think he would have wanted his mistress anywhere around them since he was about to murder them. Jmo

 

[SweetPeas56]

It was said in the press conference that she deleted texts before she went to the police. I don’t know why she did it since it could all be recovered anyway. But she did.

Total speculation here:
*Maybe the whole thing freaked her out and she just wanted to wipe it all away?
*Maybe there were texts from her that were innocent enough at the time (ie joking about SW taking off) but in hindsight she felt bad about?
*Maybe there were things that would be embarrassing to her?
*Maybe initially she was conflicted and still half believing him?

I kind of think the first idea is most likely, but I wasn't there so I don't know. At the end of the day though, she went to LE and that's what is important.

 

[Gardenista]

Oh, I think I understand. I have no idea how these things work. So if they have unpublished it, it may be gone forever? Could they just start under a new name? I would think they would be running with their tails between their legs. Maybe this will be the end of his followers. I wonder if the FB group is still active or if people are still denying he did it. Jodi Arias still has an active group of supporters. Imo

One of the main PodPeople has split off and started a new podcast. She now believes CW is guilty - or at least that's what she is saying to the public. Not sure I believe her. She was removed from the Sesh groups.

I think you can re-name a FB page, but you have to jump thru some hoops. I'm not that familiar with the process. None of the Sesh groups are as active as they were before. That being said, since the case is over, none of the groups are, but the number of posts in the Sesh groups are noticeably lower than non-Sesh groups. That was not the case before yesterday.

 

[kaykay543]

That makes sense. I wonder who the private members could be?

Sadly they have a lot of members. This is what FB shows

1,891
Members
+592 in the last 30 days

 

[MsBetsy]

Ok!

One of the main PodPeople has split off and started a new podcast. She now believes CW is guilty - or at least that's what she is saying to the public. Not sure I believe her. She was removed from the Sesh groups.

I think you can re-name a FB page, but you have to jump thru some hoops. I'm not that familiar with the process. None of the Sesh groups are as active as they were before. That being said, since the case is over, none of the groups are, but the number of posts in the Sesh groups are noticeably lower than non-Sesh groups. That was not the case before yesterday.

Thank you. One more question. What exactly is a shesh group?

 

[MCDRAW]

I don't recall his name, but the assistant D.A. said he met with the Watts on Sunday for several hours. He said parts of the conversation were awkward, but in the end
they had a different mindset when they heard all the evidence against him.They understood the charges.

I heard something about them being registered as victims and once that happened they could then be told the evidence. Their demeanor in court, in my opinion, looked like they had accepted what he had done. I'm sure they are still trying to put the son they thought they knew and this person that they didn't know together in their minds.

 

[Gardenista]

Interview with the DA after the presser

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=528864660911307

 

[ThaiBali]

Mr Rourke said the fact that she deleted all texts between her and CW hampered the investigation. WHY couldn’t they get those from CW’s phone?? Did he delete them too? Ok, then why couldn’t they subpoena them from the phone carrier?

I think may have been because he took a plea deal. Their phone details were not required as he was going straight to sentencing. My guess is they are somewhere and may land into the hands of someone for leaking.

If they could retrieve phone records of Prince Charles and Dianna many years ago, then it can be done in a nano second here. We'll just have to sit ot out.


What I'd really like to know is if AP was staying in the house with CW while Shannan was away. If she was, she would have been seen on the neighbours door camera. I'd like an update on that scenario.

I think they were both so brazen they wouldn't have cared about cctv. moo

 

[Mercedes]

I have a friend who says, “ just because you’re in a garage, it doesn’t make you a car!” It’s your actions, not your location that tell us who you are

I love it!