Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #55

[Spellbound]

Podcast is up now, click the arrow at the top if the on Tricia's pic doesn't work.

Chris Watts Sentenced for Killing Wife and Childred

 

[BingoBongo]

I still believe he is a narcissist, of the psychopath variety. No empathy, no remorse (other than the remorse he feels due to being found out), not capable of love. You cannot love someone and murder them, especially this horribly. Evil.

 

[margarita25]

“Significant restitutions”...”we recognize that when someone goes to prison for the rest of their lives their earning potential drops off dramatically...restitution to the “Victims’ Compensation Fund”...
(Rourke / PC /notes)
29:43

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Reference re: DP:

“Christopher Watts certainly deserved the death penalty...what compelled me...state of the death penalty in CO...the possible future of the death penalty with elections coming up and the likelihood that an execution would occur in any of our lifetimes being a high probability...offer extended to us by the defense...”when sandy leaned across the table and looked at me very sternly and said “and why haven’t you done that yet?”...that helped solidify in my mind that this family needed some closure and we were able to get that for them this morning.”

Rourke / PC / notes
30:17ish to 30:44ish

 

[cailleach]

@Feyinfrederick People in the area do care about her. We believe the police have appropriate suspect in jail at this time. Therefore, we are waiting and watching the news. Her poor brother has been such a force in her case. I was actually hoping over the weekend when the body was found on the farm off 34 in Loveland that they had found her remains. That doesn't appear to be the case though.

 

[erik28]

On the podcast, rehearing Cindy Watts victim impact statement, and I hear ourselves as parents when one child has slighted or maliciously hurt a sibling... it doesn't carry a resounding splash of love you always, although that is presumed. The words are mostly about, how we raised you better, want more from you, have every right to expect respectful interactions. Such a different world.

 

[Gardenista]

Did the podcast stop working for anyone else?

 

[ReckoningDay]

Listen to the professionals

CW Post-sentencing press conference led by Michael Rourke, Weld County District Attorney

35:38

Off-camera question: "Were any social media rumors really disruptive to your process?"

Rourke, Weld County DA: "All of them are disruptive to our process, and and I don't say that crassly.

When we are out [...] conducting interviews of witnesses and an individual's memory might be tainted by something inaccurate that they read on a social media site, that causes us to think, 'okay- how much do we really... How much is, is true of what somebody is saying? What did they see? What did they hear? Or what are they surmising or guessing because of something that they read on, on social media?'"

I share this here because I have seen numerous instances where news outlets or blogs have followed-up on threads of tips I have read first on Websleuths (uncredited of course). So let this be a message that drifts out from this case:

Speculation/rumors on social media about these horrific crimes disrupted the investigation and the reliability of witness memory. The interest in knowing, in being right, in connecting with others over suspicions, in defaming a victim for selfish and unknowable reasons- disrupted a murder investigation where without clear motive or provocation a man slaughtered four people in his family and attempted to walk free within days.

I have always been conflicted about communicating my "hunches" via social media during an active investigation. Rourke's words give us reason to pause before pressing send, although those who most need to are least likely to.

A summary of wholesome goals one could use before speaking, in an adaption of the Buddhist tradition, "THINK" before you speak,

Is it True (factual)
Is it Helpful (objectively and to the receiver)
Is it In Time? (is now really the best time?)
Is it Necessary? (what would happen if you didn't say it?)
Is it Kind? (does it add to positivity in the universe?)

This has been a grave concern of mine, as well.

 

[LittleFleurDeLys]

And he'll be fed much better hot meals in prison then the peanut butter jelly or bologna sandwich he gets everyday in a jail. That's why many inmates take plea deals in long drawn out cases to immediately go to prison where theres more freedom, classes, jobs, basketball and meals. He will get yard time eventually and quarterly packages where he can order Tv's, mp3 radios all kinds of food goodies etc which he couldn't have in jail. His forgiving loving parents and women will keep his commisary account topped off. A percentage taken off money provided on his jpay account will go towards restitution. I think Chris Watts will manage just fine in prison like Scott Peterson and other murderers. They will house him with similar level 4 killers like him unfortunately he will have deputy escorts most of the time for his protection. I wish deputies would hand him over to inmates that are Fathers to little girls then watch the coward get what he deserves

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I wish he would be handed over to Shannan's family! Or that Voodoo actually works!
Don't want to think of him, still having a "nice" life.

 

[borndem]

It's Justice Day, WS Peeps!! Justice is seldom perfect and this case is no different.
>>> snipped by borndem to save space <<<
I realize I'm late in getting here this evening but there's been a lot happening in CO today aside from this case. I wanted to come read the comments of the many people I've had the pleasure of sharing the past few months with on here.

bbm
Please hang with us as we go to the next one -- whatever that may be -- and help us think and discuss!

 

[Skillz]

IMO, after what she posted about SW post-death she should have been, frankly, ashamed to show her face. MOO

What did the sister post? I haven’t heard anything about her thus far...

 

[ColoradoLove]

I still cannot get over the facts of how STUPID and MORONIC Christopher Watts was when he carried out these crimes. I just can't. He literally handed his guilt up on a silver platter to investigators. You'd think that someone with at least a little crime show or true crime knowledge would know that if your family goes missing, they will look at every single little thing, your texts, your search history, your behavior!!! I sincerely question this "person"s IQ and general intelligence based on how incredibly sloppy he was trying to cover this up. It defies logic, and makes me think he's either A) Legitimately lacking in intelligence and common sense or B) Was being ruled by his blind lust, his "little head", not the one within his skull.

 

[NanZDrew]

Just found this information about a blog Shan'ann had when pregnant with Bella.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2146157845701834

 

[Gardenista]

It burns me up the VI disparaged Shanann for texting CW about trying to save their marriage.

 

[NanZDrew]

I still cannot get over the facts of how STUPID and MORONIC Christopher Watts was when he carried out these crimes. I just can't. He literally handed his guilt up on a silver platter to investigators. You'd think that someone with at least a little crime show or true crime knowledge would know that if your family goes missing, they will look at every single little thing, your texts, your search history, your behavior!!! I sincerely question this "person"s IQ and general intelligence based on how incredibly sloppy he was trying to cover this up. It defies logic, and makes me think he's either A) Legitimately lacking in intelligence and common sense or B) Was being ruled by his blind lust, his "little head", not the one within his skull.

The answer is C) Both A and B.

 

[Jupiter05]

Quoting Jupiter05, post 1156 from the last thread



I heard him say that any earnings CW makes in prison would be garnished and put into a victim fund, and that any expenses to the Rzuceks such as funeral expenses or if they feel they would like counselling can be paid out of the fund. I took that to mean that the fund is a general pool of money as opposed to the victims of crime A receive only what the convicted person has paid in, and that the convicted person contributes to the general fund from which money can be paid out.

You are probably correct. I am on information and emotional overload today.

 

[cailleach]

What did the sister post? I haven’t heard anything about her thus far...

I won't spread her hatefulness toward a victim by sharing links. I will say people were posting links to a video wherein the sister mocked SW.

 

[BingoBongo]

I still cannot get over the facts of how STUPID and MORONIC Christopher Watts was when he carried out these crimes. I just can't. He literally handed his guilt up on a silver platter to investigators. You'd think that someone with at least a little crime show or true crime knowledge would know that if your family goes missing, they will look at every single little thing, your texts, your search history, your behavior!!! I sincerely question this "person"s IQ and general intelligence based on how incredibly sloppy he was trying to cover this up. It defies logic, and makes me think he's either A) Legitimately lacking in intelligence and common sense or B) Was being ruled by his blind lust, his "little head", not the one within his skull.

People like him believe they are above the law. Above reproach. They are living in their own bizarre fantasy.

 

[ReckoningDay]

It burns me up the VI disparaged Shanann for texting CW about trying to save their marriage.

Yes, because it is SUCH a horrible thing to try to hold your family together! (insert sarcastic emoji)

 

[Feyinfrederick]

:flutter:
(Does he have a ring on? I couldn’t see...)

(ETA: Nevermind don’t answer that please. I had a sudden flashback of when someone here had a crush on 9News reporter KT during Dylan’s case and we got all derailed so never mind.

He had a ring on. Trust me I checked. sorry i’m a websleuther but also a woman living in Frederick, colorado.

 

[Amonet]

I won't spread her hatefulness toward a victim by sharing links. I will people were posting links to a video wherein the sister mocked SW.

That wasn't CW's sister.