Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #55

[Layla123]

One more question I need answered! Why didn’t somebody ask at the presser? What was the significance of the non-porous bag and the footprint? Will we ever learn?

 

[MassGuy]

33 is rather young to be so grey, though.

I have a friend who is completely grey at 29.

It happens I guess.

 

[katie565]

The DA said that she had deleted all their convos, but the replies would still have been on his phone I think.

I think we heard almost immediately that Chris didn’t delete his messages or search history so it was all there.

 

[Jennifer17]

I have a friend who is completely grey at 29.

It happens I guess.

Did he have really black hair, though? I mean really black.

 

[cailleach]

The DA said that she had deleted all their convos, but the replies would still have been on his phone I think.

They would have been. Plus the DA could have gotten a subpoena for the text records if it came to that.

ETA: As well educated as she was, I'm shocked she thought deleting texts would do any good.

 

[westernnewengland]

Sitting here unable to sleep imagining the horror of those poor girls and Shannan, I have a couple of questions and I'm wondering what other people think.
1) did CW smother the girls with his bare hands (Rourke said there were no fibers present to indicate anything else was used). That horrifies me even more. They'd have been able to smell it was their Dad. And feel it was his hand. I can still remember the feeling of my Dad's hand from when I was a kid, it was the safest hand in the world. They would have been familiar with it. And just how could he?? That shows me how he was already SO detached from them through the affair.
and
2)
when the DA talked about how the video filmed CW walking to his truck three times from the house, I was confused, because I had (for some reason) assumed he was inside the car port and therefore couldn't be seen. Was he walking out of the front door with the bodies in bags?
and
3) I wonder how the defense feel? How sickening to be given this monster to work with. Did the male Defender today have to keep comforting CW in court, was that part of his job? I noticed the woman sat next to him didn't. I'm genuinely curious because I just can't imagine being compelled to do that for my job.

 

[MassGuy]

Did he have really black hair, though? I mean really black.

No. He was blonde.

 

[Whiteorchids]

Inmates will have a shank ready for this one if given opportunity. If guards leave him unprotected for any amount of time or choose not to notice. Child baby killers are targets in prison even with serial killers and worst of the worst. They hate child killers so CW better watch his back. I don’t think he will make it very long if he knows what’s coming to him.

 

[Jennifer17]

No. He was blonde.

That is highly unusual.

 

[MassGuy]

That is highly unusual.

Haaaa. Thinking about it now, it really is.

Black to grey I can see. But blonde to grey is weird at that age.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I find him incapable of the proper emotions. His tears today were because he is having to take responsibility for his murderous acts. The jig was up when the autopsies came back and proved his fake scenario of seeing her choking them nothing but another self-serving lie.

As several other posters noted, CW appeared to feel shame, which doesn't necessarily mean he feels guilty or remorseful, which I believe he doesn't. He felt shame with the spotlight on HIM, not for the good he's done, but for the incredibly, undeniably BAD he's done. I thought if he could, he would have slithered under the table like the snake, he is. CW shed a tear when his Dad read his impact statement, it hit him that his dad no longer can feel proud of him, well, not in public. I echo Frank Rzucek's words, he's an evil monster!

Some insightful observations about shame and guilt.


Guilt: a feeling of responsibility or remorse for some offense, crime, wrong, etc., whether real or imagined.
Shame: the painful feeling arising from the consciousness of something dishonorable, improper, ridiculous, etc., done by oneself or another.

Many people who display narcissistic behavior often suffer from profound feelings of shame but have little authentic concern for other people; they don't tend to feel genuinely guilty. The lack of empathy to be found in narcissistic personality disorder makes real guilt unlikely since guilt depends upon the ability to intuit how someone else might feel.

When shame is especially pervasive (what I refer to as core or basic shame), it usually precludes feelings of genuine concern and guilt from developing; the sense of being damaged is so powerful and painful that it crowds out feeling for anyone else. In such cases, idealization often comes into play: other people are then viewed as perfect, the lucky ones who have the ideal shame-free life we crave; powerful envy may be the (unconscious) result. In those cases, we might take pleasure in hurting the person we envy rather than feeling guilty about it.

In others words, core shame reflects early psychological damage that impedes growth; the capacity to feel guilt depends upon that psychological growth and could be seen as emotional progress. If the early environment is "good enough," we develop a reliable sense of self that in turn enables us to view other people as separate and to feel concern for them. Although the experience of guilt is painful, our ability to recognize that our own actions may have hurt someone, to empathize with that person's pain and to feel remorse for having caused it are all signs of emotional health.

The Difference Between Guilt and Shame

 

[LovesChocolate]

Bella and Celeste's stomachs were both empty (with the exception of oil sludge in Bella's). Wasn't the birthday party earlier in the day? He didn't even feed them dinner! I can't imagine they would have gone to bed easily with empty stomachs.

 

[Amonet]

Sitting here unable to sleep imagining the horror of those poor girls and Shannan, I have a couple of questions and I'm wondering what other people think.
1) did CW smother the girls with his bare hands (Rourke said there were no fibers present to indicate anything else was used). That horrifies me even more. They'd have been able to smell it was their Dad. And feel it was his hand. I can still remember the feeling of my Dad's hand from when I was a kid, it was the safest hand in the world. They would have been familiar with it. And just how could he?? That shows me how he was already SO detached from them through the affair.
and
2)
when the DA talked about how the video filmed CW walking to his truck three times from the house, I was confused, because I had (for some reason) assumed he was inside the car port and therefore couldn't be seen. Was he walking out of the front door with the bodies in bags?
and
3) I wonder how the defense feel? How sickening to be given this monster to work with. Did the male Defender today have to keep comforting CW in court, was that part of his job? I noticed the woman sat next to him didn't. I'm genuinely curious because I just can't imagine being compelled to do that for my job.

From what I gather and envisage, CW parked his truck outside the garage and walked the bodies through the house, into the garage, and then out the garage door to the truck .... all filmed by the across-the-street neighbor's security camera?

 

[Daisy47]

That is highly unusual.

I didn’t realize that? My Dad was very blonde & completely grey by 30 yrs old.

 

[westernnewengland]

Wow, he really is stupid as well as evil.

How was he not worried when he was blathering during ]the interviews about the camera across the road. Was he too focussed on what NK was thinking of him in his new t-shirt?

One word, contempt.

 

[cailleach]

As several other posters noted, CW appeared to feel shame, which doesn't necessarily mean he feels guilty or remorseful, which I believe he doesn't. He felt shame with the spotlight on HIM, not for the good he's done, but for the incredibly, undeniably BAD he's done. I thought if he could, he would have slithered under the table like the snake, he is. CW shed a tear when his Dad read his impact statement, it hit him that his dad no longer can feel proud of him, well, not in public. I echo Frank Rzucek's words, he's an evil monster!

Some insightful observations about shame and guilt.


Guilt: a feeling of responsibility or remorse for some offense, crime, wrong, etc., whether real or imagined.
Shame: the painful feeling arising from the consciousness of something dishonorable, improper, ridiculous, etc., done by oneself or another.

Many people who display narcissistic behavior often suffer from profound feelings of shame but have little authentic concern for other people; they don't tend to feel genuinely guilty. The lack of empathy to be found in narcissistic personality disorder makes real guilt unlikely since guilt depends upon the ability to intuit how someone else might feel.

When shame is especially pervasive (what I refer to as core or basic shame), it usually precludes feelings of genuine concern and guilt from developing; the sense of being damaged is so powerful and painful that it crowds out feeling for anyone else. In such cases, idealization often comes into play: other people are then viewed as perfect, the lucky ones who have the ideal shame-free life we crave; powerful envy may be the (unconscious) result. In those cases, we might take pleasure in hurting the person we envy rather than feeling guilty about it.

In others words, core shame reflects early psychological damage that impedes growth; the capacity to feel guilt depends upon that psychological growth and could be seen as emotional progress. If the early environment is "good enough," we develop a reliable sense of self that in turn enables us to view other people as separate and to feel concern for them. Although the experience of guilt is painful, our ability to recognize that our own actions may have hurt someone, to empathize with that person's pain and to feel remorse for having caused it are all signs of emotional health.

The Difference Between Guilt and Shame

Good observations. I tend to think the psych I listened to on the news earlier is correct about CW. His behavior is that of a psychopath. Unnecessarily saddistic for certain.

 

[Mitch11]

I still cannot get over the facts of how STUPID and MORONIC Christopher Watts was when he carried out these crimes. I just can't. He literally handed his guilt up on a silver platter to investigators. You'd think that someone with at least a little crime show or true crime knowledge would know that if your family goes missing, they will look at every single little thing, your texts, your search history, your behavior!!! I sincerely question this "person"s IQ and general intelligence based on how incredibly sloppy he was trying to cover this up. It defies logic, and makes me think he's either A) Legitimately lacking in intelligence and common sense or B) Was being ruled by his blind lust, his "little head", not the one within his skull.

So dumb! I can't get over how dumb though. Like you say he handed it all over on a silver platter. No wonder people thought SW was bossy. Imagine being in a relationship and living with someone that hopeless!!

 

[Whiteorchids]

I dont know how y’all feel but being a longtime crime enthusiast and websleuther this is the most horrific gruesome crime I have ever followed.

 

[Whiteorchids]

Haaaa. Thinking about it now, it really is.

Black to grey I can see. But blonde to grey is weird at that age.

I’m a natural very light yellow blonde hair and I’m starting to get really white silver hairs not gray from age.

 

[ilovewings]

I think it is not up to her to forgive him! It was not her life taken! I find this inappropriate, especially after she blamed Shannan. How can you forgive this person, if you were obviously so little affected by the death of your daugther-in-law and your grandchildren?

I have to say when CW mother said how much she loved and forgave him, I felt sick. that was so inappropriate. It is pretty telling what kind of family they are- at least mom--an enabler.