Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #55

[MassGuy]

Mr Rourke said the fact that she deleted all texts between her and CW hampered the investigation. WHY couldn’t they get those from CW’s phone?? Did he delete them too? Ok, then why couldn’t they subpoena them from the phone carrier?

Some phone companies don't hold on to that data.

Companies like Apple are big on device privacy now. Perhaps those things can be permanently deleted after all.

Clearly something prevented them from recovering those messages, and that's the best I've got unfortunately.

 

[MsBetsy]

I think that it means that he killed the children first. He doesn't want the world or his mother to know that.

Yes, I've always thought he killed them first. I think he would have thought it was easier that way. No confrontation. I really hope Shanann never knew. Imo

 

[Marli61]

I think your right. Girls were first.

I'm starting to lean that way as well.

 

[cailleach]

3) I wonder how the defense feel? How sickening to be given this monster to work with. Did the male Defender today have to keep comforting CW in court, was that part of his job? I noticed the woman sat next to him d idn't. I'm genuinely curious because I just can't imagine being compelled to do that for my job.

Defense counsellors feel like they did the best they could for their client with the mound of evidence against him. No, he did not have to pat him on the back anymore than the female chose not to. As the judge hadn't yet handed out the sentencing and press was there, it was a move on the part of the attorney to humanize CW. In touching him in a compassionate manner, he implies that CW was affected by the remarks being made about him in a manner that he wasn't displaying.

 

[MsBetsy]

I’m thinking NK probably met the girls and stayed the night in SW house many times while the girls were sleeping, perhaps they woke up and saw their Dad in bed with her and threatened to tell SW. I don’t see CW as being very discreet around the girls as I don’t think he cared.

I would think they went to her apartment. It was too much of a risk with all the neighbors around, I would think. She also could have been seen on camera. Imo

 

[k-mac]

I think that it means that he killed the children first. He doesn't want the world or his mother to know that.

agree 100% jen

 

[MassGuy]

The key for me is what Shannan was wearing. The autopsy report shows that she was at the very least, in the process of changing into bedclothes when she was killed.

I think she was actually in bed.

Had the kids been killed first, I think she would have been murdered the second she walked in that door, and been fully dressed.

I believe that she likely would have checked on the kids as soon as she got home. He couldn’t chance that, as she would have fought him.

The lack of defensive wounds tells me that she never saw it coming, which means that she didn’t see the kids dead, because they weren’t dead at that point.

Therefore, I strongly suspect that Shannan was killed first.

 

[KALI]

I wonder if we will ever see Shannans texts to Chris while he was shutting her out.
They would bring more heartbreak though, I am sure.

 

[Jennifer17]

The key for me is what Shannan was wearing. The autopsy report shows that she was at the very least, in the process of changing into bedclothes when she was killed.

I think she was actually in bed.

I think that had the kids been killed first, she would have been murdered the second she walked in that door, and been fully dressed.

I believe that she likely would have checked on the kids as soon as she got home. He couldn’t chance that, as she would have fought him.

The lack of defensive wounds tells me that she never saw it coming, which means that she didn’t see the kids dead, because they weren’t dead at that point.

Therefore, I strongly suspect that Shannan was killed first.

I am not sure about that. If that were me, I would just peek in their rooms and see that they were there. She would not be thinking of whether they were alive or not. They were tucked up in their beds. That would be enough as tired as she would have been.

 

[wgram]

This has been the worst case I have been following. I let it wrap around my heart causing heartache and I don't even know them. My heart goes out to Shanann's family. The investigators, LEO, and anyone else related to the crime.

 

[MassGuy]

I am not sure about that. If that were me, I would just peek in their rooms and see that they were there. She would not be thinking of whether they were alive or not. They were tucked up in their beds. That would be enough as tired as she would have been.

I dunno. It would be a hell of a chance for him to take. It would all depend on what was normal for Shanann I guess.

 

[Colorado303]

I'm so sorry.

It wasn’t bad. Just long -got up at 4:15. Glad it turned out the way it did and that’s the last we’ll have to see of him ever. Also glad Watts family saw the light. When they got up you could cut the tension w/a knife. Still love the DA —even more after today if that’spossible. And I got to spend time w/the Rzuceks — I hadn’t met them before and they are even more amazing than I could have imagined.

 

[Misy]

I wonder if we will ever see Shannans texts to Chris while he was shutting her out.
They would bring more heartbreak though, I am sure.

Yes. And I wonder... will they ever release the interrogation tapes/videos ??

 

[gregjrichards]

It has been devastating reading what happened to Shan’ann and Nico and the girls. The statement from Shan’ann’s family was very moving and I am glad they condemned the monster for what he has done. My heart breaks for Shan’ann’s family and they continue to be in my prayers.

I can say that I will never understand publicly forgiving your child for a crime like this.

May Shan’ann, Nico, Bella and CeCe Rest In Peace.

Thank you to all of you for your kindness and all your posts and to the moderators for all their hard work.

 

[Jennifer17]

It wasn’t bad. Just long -got up at 4:15. Glad it turned out the way it did and that’s the last we’ll have to see of him ever. Also glad Watts family saw the light. When they got up you could cut the tension w/a knife. Still love the DA—even more after today if that’spossible. And I got to spend time w/the Rzuceks — I hadn’t met them before and they are even more amazing than I could have imagined.

I am sure that meeting so many people who defended Shanann was good for them. And they would know the people who were defending her and the ones who were slandering her. Thank God, that there were more of the former than the latter.

 

[MsBetsy]

I dunno. It would be a hell of a chance for him to take. It would all depend on what was normal for Shanann I guess.

Do we know if he was texting Nickole that night? And what time? I know I saw something about them texting and that he called a co-worker that night but can't remember if he texted the mistress too. Just wondering if he texted her after the murder.

 

[BeckyF]

I have to say when CW mother said how much she loved and forgave him, I felt sick. that was so inappropriate. It is pretty telling what kind of family they are- at least mom--an enabler.

Totally agree. What Mama Watts said should have been said privately. Very inappropriate. Said right in front of SW's family who called him a monster, which he is. She is as cold as he is. Look what she said last week when she stated she believed that SW had strangled the girls. Personally I don't care that she changed her tune. Her evilness is already out there for all to hear.

 

[MsBetsy]

Yes. And I wonder... will they ever release the interrogation tapes/videos ??

I think they will eventually. I really would like to see them.

 

[MassGuy]

Do we know if he was texting Nickole that night? And what time? I know I saw something about them texting and that he called a co-worker that night but can't remember if he texted the mistress too. Just wondering if he texted her after the murder.

As far as I know, they communicated the following day.

I haven’t heard anything about him texting the mistress that night, atleast after SW arrived home.

 

[cailleach]

It wasn’t bad. Just long -got up at 4:15. Glad it turned out the way it did and that’s the last we’ll have to see of him ever. Also glad Watts family saw the light. When they got up you could cut the tension w/a knife. Still love the DA —even more after today if that’spossible. And I got to spend time w/the Rzuceks — I hadn’t met them before and they are even more amazing than I could have imagined.

I hope it helped add a sense of closure for you and some of her friends. I don't expect there will be for her family, possibly ever. It's good you and others were able to be there and be supportive of them.