Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #55

[mtnlites]

Remember when people were talking about that video where SW was "terrorizing" Bella by squirting her with water? Laughing, grinning, playful Bella?

No, that wasn't terrorizing.

Terrorizing was her father standing over her, his hand probably covering her mouth and nose as she struggled against his strength-struggled SO hard that she bit her tongue in several places and tore her frenulum. Terrorizing was slowly losing the ability to breathe while the one man she trusted more than anyone literally took the breath right out of her. Terrorizing was her undoubtedly crying out inside for her mommy to come and save her, or maybe even her daddy since she probably no longer recognized the monster standing over her.

THAT was terrorizing. Not posing with Santa Claus for a picture. Not playing with her mother with a squirt bottle.

 

[RachB65]

The key for me is what Shannan was wearing. The autopsy report shows that she was at the very least, in the process of changing into bedclothes when she was killed.

I think she was actually in bed.

Had the kids been killed first, I think she would have been murdered the second she walked in that door, and been fully dressed.

I believe that she likely would have checked on the kids as soon as she got home. He couldn’t chance that, as she would have fought him.

The lack of defensive wounds tells me that she never saw it coming, which means that she didn’t see the kids dead, because they weren’t dead at that point.

Therefore, I strongly suspect that Shannan was killed first.

I agree here. Shanann was the biggest "threat". He couldn't risk having her see or interfere with his plan. She had to be killed first

 

[Nellie Nelson]

I'm so torn between being heartbroken reading everything and thus skipping pages, and wanting more answers. I hate myself sometimes.

Poor Bella. Poor sweet little girl.

Does anyone have any thoughts on the paper bags around Shanann's hands? Or how Nico would be partially expelled from his mom?

The bags are put on the hands at the location where the deceased body is found, primarily preserve any DNA evidence caught under the fingernails.

RE Nico, it's called a coffin birth.

Coffin birth - Wikipedia

 

[PhoebeTries]

rsbm

The bags were put on her hands by the medical examiner to preserve any evidence during transportation to the laboratory, as is standard procedure.

Thanks, I understood it to mean the bags were there as she was found. My brain can't function properly with this case it seems!

 

[RachB65]

It is naive to believe she did not know he was married.

She probably knew about the pregnancy as well.

The only plausible explanation for her actions is if she loved him.

If NK really had fallen hard for a married man with two kids and a pregnant wife, I feel sorry for her. The anticlimax is horrible.

I'm going by what she said he told her, that he was getting divorced. Unless she snooped or heard different from someone who knew the truth then I believe it's possible she didn't know. But if she DID know the truth then I spit on her "speaks out" interview.

 

[mtnlites]

It is naive to believe she did not know he was married.

She probably knew about the pregnancy as well.

The only plausible explanation for her actions is if she loved him.

If NK really had fallen hard for a married man with two kids and a pregnant wife, I feel sorry for her. The anticlimax is horrible.

To be fair, she didn't say that she didn't know he was married. She knew he was married when they met. He told her that he was going through the final stages of his divorce. Then, when in North Carolina, he called her and told her that his divorce was final.

 

[Hazelnutty]

Deviant .

 

[mtnlites]

I feel like we need a sticky or something to explain the alcohol content in her spleen, the paper bags on her hands, and the explanation of a coffin birth. These seem to be the three main things in the autopsy report that's causing the most confusion.

 

[Nellie Nelson]

Does anyone think - given that no fibres were found in the ear/nose/throat areas of the
children and little/no severe bruising on their faces - that Watts could have placed a plastic bag/barrier of some kind over their faces, placed a pillow on top and pressed down hard on that?

Would the previous presence of a plastic bag/sheet of some kind have been detectable after what he did to their bodies afterwards?

 

[PhoebeTries]

RSBM

RE Nico, it's called a coffin birth.

Coffin birth - Wikipedia

Thanks. That was a fascinating read.

 

[PhoebeTries]

I feel like we need a sticky or something to explain the alcohol content in her spleen, the paper bags on her hands, and the explanation of a coffin birth. These seem to be the three main things in the autopsy report that's causing the most confusion.

I checked the media thread hoping for some explanation and didn't find it so I asked here, knowing it had probably been discussed in the many pages before. A sticky would be a great idea!

 

[MsBetsy]

If nothing else we learned today thinking ahead is not this guy’s strong suit. I was blown away today when I heard the girls had been smothered. Iwas certain they had been strangled since that’s how he said SW killed them. Why, why, why wouldn’t he say she smothered them, or he had no idea how she killed them? I knew he was an idiot, and I still gave him too much credit.

Yes, not too bright. But I always wondered if he had smothered them with a pillow. I just don't think he would have been able to look them in the eye. It would have been too "uncomfortable." He was not a confrontational person, and I believe he would have avoided having to look into their eyes. Not so much for their sake, but for himself. I think it would have been the same thing in Shananns case. However he did it, I don't think he looked onto her eyes. Some have suggested he approached her from behind or while she was asleep, or did it the way you suggested in an earlier post, holding her arms with his body. I think it was something like that. He wanted them gone, but did it the way it was easiest for himself, almost in a deceitful way. Like everything else he did. Imo

 

[kizzykat]

I'm behind again as usual, so many posts I haven't got around to reading yet, but while I catch up with that, I forgot to say before that I came away with the impression that he wasn't sentenced on the two additional charges of murder of children under 12 by a person in a position of trust. I thought the judge said something (haven't gone back yet to re-listen) confusing about not being applicable to charges x and y, and this again was confirmed in my mind (by omission) during the presser when I think the DA didn't mention that aspect of his sentence. I hope I'm making sense.

This is MOO since I can't readily find a link of the judge speaking about it, but IIRC it wasn't that CW wasn't sentenced for those charges. It was the sentence for those particular charges could not be served consecutively (like all the others), rather the sentence has to be served concurrently. IIRC the judge mentioned something about this due to being the way the law reads. (Sorry I dislike going from memory and not posting a link, someone please correct me if I'm wrong.)

 

[The Farm]

Good Morning all,

I kept on waking up last night and seeing CW do his dead man walking shuffle out of the courtroom. I have no idea why that is what was playing in my dreams and I am thinking that everything else such as SW and the kids, the family were to horrid a thought to stay in my mind. With all the media these days and what we see and have access to cases like this are so horrific.
I could never be LE or anything to do with that line of work. I could never keep my composure, I could never keep myself from being civil to a person that has done something so utterly vile. It takes a special breed that is for sure.
A defense attorney no way, especially if you know they are guilty as sin. Unfortunately I think it will take some time to get over this as it has with a couple of other cases I have followed. They tend to leave scars.

 

[Tortoise]

This is MOO since I can't readily find a link of the judge speaking about it, but IIRC it wasn't that CW wasn't sentenced for those charges. It was the sentence for those particular charges could not be served consecutively (like all the others), rather the sentence has to be served concurrently. IIRC the judge mentioned something about this due to being the way the law reads. (Sorry I dislike going from memory and not posting a link, someone please correct me if I'm wrong.)

Ah, thank you, that makes more sense, since he had already pled guilty to all the charges.

 

[MsBetsy]

To be fair, she didn't say that she didn't know he was married. She knew he was married when they met. He told her that he was going through the final stages of his divorce. Then, when in North Carolina, he called her and told her that his divorce was final.

Right. I think she admitted to being "an adulterer." She made the wrong choice. Having an affair is not uncommon. I don't know the statistics but it likely happens much more than people admit. At one time it was something like 60% of men and 40% of women. People wondered how that could be. I think it's because men are more likely to admit it. Compared to what CW has done, its really not significant, imo.

 

[The Farm]

He was so confidant that he only backed the tray of the truck just into the garage door. But he could not back it in fully, because Shananns car was there. I thought that it was a double garage though.

I had a very big high truck F350 and it was to high to fit into a garage. I never saw a picture of CW's work truck but did see those Anadarko pick-ups all over when I was out there visiting but do not remember their sizes and I think they were white with the company name. Those big companies have all kinds and sizes of trucks so my conclusion is the work truck he had was not able to fully fit into the garage or he would have backed it all the way in.
I believe Colorado 303 said somewhere above that many of those tapes might be released in the future.

 

[Colorado303]

Does anyone think - given that no fibres were found in the ear/nose/throat areas of the
children and little/no severe bruising on their faces - that Watts could have placed a plastic bag/barrier of some kind over their faces, placed a pillow on top and pressed down hard on that?

Would the previous presence of a plastic bag/sheet of some kind have been detectable after what he did to their bodies afterwards?

Good question. Would the use of a plastic bad be equally possible as him holding their mouths and noses closed with his bare hands? I’m sure hoping it would.

 

[The Farm]

Colorado 303 you here??? Was it you that said some of those tapes/security footage might be released in the future?

 

[MsBetsy]

RSBM

Thanks. That was a fascinating read.

Sorry I missed previous posts in regard to " coffin birth." Was this what happened? The fetus was expelled through the birth canal and was found seperated from the body? If so, this is very rare, especially that early in the pregnancy. I would have thought the fetus was found inside her body. Was this verified?