Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #55

[Tortoise]

Maybe it was in regard to internal scarring or adhesions that occur with more invasive surgery? What kind of surgery did she have?

He made the observation before looking internally. Sorry I don't know what ops she had apart from one on her neck and I don't know what date that was.

 

[Best of What's Around]

Not off topic, need to chime in when you can like many of us.
I'm on the fence about her checking the girls physically. Lupus, pregnancy, LONG weekend after just getting back from NC, she may have barely made it to bed and checked her baby monitor instead of kissing them @ftdlaks . Idk, like @MassGuy said, whatever order of who was first or last to be killed doesn't matter as he took all their lives. Yet I would still like to know.

Personally, I do not think the children were gone until after SW. Most mothers I know want to check on their small children when they get home from a trip, even if they are sleeping. I think he killed all three in succession...with his worry about SW fighting back being his biggest hurdle. I think it is very possible the heartless prick wore gloves and long sleeves for all.

 

[MsBetsy]

He made the observation before looking internally. Sorry I don't know what ops she had apart from one on her neck and I don't know what date that was.

Oh, I see. Hard to say if we don't know what type of surgery it was. Maybe she did not have a large incision. Or it had healed completely. Jmo

 

[Best of What's Around]

I’ve thought he was an idiot from day one. Still can’t figure out wth he was thinking. It’s mind boggling.

With that said though, how did he manage to play NK? I mean he must have played her along somewhat well, to the point he wasn’t a complete idiot?

I think wooing someone (along with lying in general) was far closer to being in his wheelhouse than any kind of criminal masterminding...which we assume he never had to think of before this.

 

[Lore Listener]

What I meant was we all have scars but how do you tell that they are from an operation and not a wound from say being stabbed. He made that observation before opening her up and finding the metal. I think an example of evidence of operations would be sutures.

Well, my scar is a perfectly straight line down the very middle of the back of my neck with dots on each side from the sutures. So it definitely looks like an operation. That said, spinal fusions (or whatever Shanann had) may have improved between 2004 and whenever she had hers, or maybe it wasn't obvious on her skin due to dirt or decomp? I didn't realize that notation was made externally until you just explained that, which is why I said the thing about the metal. However, I guess I'm surprised the examiner didn't notice a major scar like that.

 

[MsBetsy]

I've been thinking about the same thing today. I started writing a post and just erased because I was afraid it sounded like I had sympathy for CW which I absolutely do not! However, Mrs. Rcuzeck's and his father statements yesterday did bring out some emotion in him. He looked broken. He has been compared to SP a lot and while they do have many things in common I feel like there may be something deeper going on here. Probably due to his and his mothers relationship. His tears and shaking may not have been much and may very well have been all for him self but I think he is a very disturbed person who has never known who he truly is or had any boundaries. I believe a combination of his upbringing coupled with his nature was a disaster. All moo and really just rambling because it frustrates me to not be able to make sense of such awful things.

I agree with what I think you are trying to say. He definitely appeared broken. That's the word that kept coming to my mind when I observed him. I think he has been holding everything inside his whole life, and I agree that he is one messed up individual. I hope he agrees to evaluations and interviews so that his entire background can be analzed. I'm sure there will be many who would want to do so. Imo

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Interview with the DA after the presser

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=528864660911307

it sounds like they are going to do more at the end of this. What Facebook did you get this from so that I can go look at it? Thanks in advance.

 

[Jennifer17]

Surgery scars are very different in appearance to scars from an accident. I’m sure any medical professional would be able to distinguish, also long since healed op sites don’t have sutures still MOO

I would say that they did not notice the surgical scar on her neck because of decomposition and then found the hardware.

 

[Tortoise]

All this while I've been thinking one of the dumbest things he did was taking the bodies to his place of work, because that would always point to him being the killer. But I just realized it probably wasn't such stupid thinking after all, because if they never found the bodies as he intended, it would just look like he left home and went to work as in any other normal work day. It would be more suspicious to investigators if he went somewhere he never ever went to on the day they disappeared.

ETA That's why he obviously wasn't worried about the GPS tracking on his truck.

 

[Best of What's Around]

The report says that one of the children had a peanut allergy. That cannot be discovered by an autopsy.

Does the ME look at medical records? He must as he had the peanut allergy for the child

SW had the neck operation and now we see she had metal inserted. We know she talked about the neck. But what was the back all about?

I do not understand the relevance to the murders?

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I think you are right. He was hiding the truth so wouldn't want Facebook telling her otherwise.
It wouldn't suprise me if NK was putting some pressure on to get divorced. Most women do not want a married man thankfully, and most know to be careful. So it's likely she kept checking in to see how the divorce proceedings were going.

Understandbly SW didn't want a divorce. Especially given she was pregnant with little kids.

Such a senseless act with absolutely no positive outcome. I'm still reeling

Agh.......I agree it’s so devastating.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

Just like he did to Shanann.

I was just going to make the same comment.

 

[Lore Listener]

I do. While I’m beyond relieved that they didn’t attempt to disparage Shan’ann in their statements, I would have loved to have heard ANYTHING that indicated they had suffered a loss beyond the loss of their son. Had they no words at all for the loss of their precious grandchildren other than that Bella reminded her so much of Chris as a child? It’s like they weren’t even recognized as separate human beings with their own identities, much less as cherished grandchildren. I may be out of bounds here, but I just can’t understand. The impression it leaves is that the only people affected here are them, and Chris. It’s unimaginable to me. JMO

YES! This bothers me the most too. I just can't get my head around it. And how they keep using their "victim" status as grandparents of the murdered children/fetus to speak etc., and then behave as if their victimhood derives from being the perpetrator's parents. Seriously upsetting. You articulated what I think many, many of us are feeling.

 

[Tortoise]

Well, my scar is a perfectly straight line down the very middle of the back of my neck with dots on each side from the sutures. So it definitely looks like an operation. That said, spinal fusions (or whatever Shanann had) may have improved between 2004 and whenever she had hers, or maybe it wasn't obvious on her skin due to dirt or decomp? I didn't realize that notation was made externally until you just explained that, which is why I said the thing about the metal. However, I guess I'm surprised the examiner didn't notice a major scar like that.

Could it have even been keyhole surgery? Just a possibility, I don't know anything about her operations.

 

[BrownRice]

I have the same unsettled, sad feeling I had after the Coleman trial. His sons were much older than the Watts girls and I assume took a little more time and effort to murder...

Both men had it made. Wives who both knew there were relationship issues, but tried to save the family. Wives who really loved their spouses and were regarded as being phenomenal moms.

I’ve never forgotten Sheri, Gavin, and Garett Coleman. I’ve been haunted at the thought of Chris strangling them. The horror of Shannan, Bella, and Celeste will haunt me as well. In addition to the baby who died in Shanann’s belly and was born in dirt. How can one forget these.

However, I am reluctant to say these are the worst cases I’ve ever read about. One trip over to the “Crimes spotlight on children” forum is enough to make me continually wonder how we as humans can be so evil.

 

[Best of What's Around]

I agree with what I think you are trying to say. He definitely appeared broken. That's the word that kept coming to my mind when I observed him. I think he has been holding everything inside his whole life, and I agree that he is one messed up individual. I hope he agrees to evaluations and interviews so that his entire background can be analzed. I'm sure there will be many who would want to do so. Imo

I don't know anyone though that wouldn't be broken by the prospect of spending the rest of their natural lives in prison, to be known as a wife/baby killer to boot. Also, I cannot imagine the strain of being in a court room with a tv camera knowing most of the world despises you after you have been exposed. I do not believe any of his appearance meant true remorse/guilt/etc. If there is regret, it is linked to being caught. IMO

 

[Ljc4]

I agree with what I think you are trying to say. He definitely appeared broken. That's the word that kept coming to my mind when I observed him. I think he has been holding everything inside his whole life, and I agree that he is one messed up individual. I hope he agrees to evaluations and interviews so that his entire background can be analzed. I'm sure there will be many who would want to do so. Imo

I'm glad you understood what I meant. I had a hard time putting it into words. I just keep thinking than shanann seemed like such a smart and mature woman and I find it hard to believe that they would have married that long if he had never shown any kind of genuine love. Her brother even stated that he thought of CW as a brother and that he was one of the most loved people in their family (paraphrasing) something obviously went wrong at some point. I totally agree about him holding everything in. Many have implied that he feels nothing, however I think he does feel but doesnt process them like normal people. I pray someone qualified does evaluate him and uses this awful tragedy to help others.

 

[Mitch11]

I do. While I’m beyond relieved that they didn’t attempt to disparage Shan’ann in their statements, I would have loved to have heard ANYTHING that indicated they had suffered a loss beyond the loss of their son. Had they no words at all for the loss of their precious grandchildren other than that Bella reminded her so much of Chris as a child? It’s like they weren’t even recognized as separate human beings with their own identities, much less as cherished grandchildren. I may be out of bounds here, but I just can’t understand. The impression it leaves is that the only people affected here are them, and Chris. It’s unimaginable to me. JMO

Couldn't have said it better myself!

 

[SouthernSleuther]

All this while I've been thinking one of the dumbest things he did was taking the bodies to his place of work, because that would always point to him being the killer. But I just realized it probably wasn't such stupid thinking after all, because if they never found the bodies as he intended, it would just look like he left home and went to work as in any other normal work day. It would be more suspicious to investigators if he went somewhere he never ever went to on the day they disappeared.

I’ve thought this from the beginning. He really believed they wouldn’t look at him as a suspect and all would appear normal. He really didn’t think he’d be under enough scrutiny to check his background activities. He also thought he’d have more time to stage. Thank God for NUA.

 

[SouthernSleuther]

YES! This bothers me the most too. I just can't get my head around it. And how they keep using their "victim" status as grandparents of the murdered children/fetus to speak etc., and then behave as if their victimhood derives from being the perpetrator's parents. Seriously upsetting. You articulated what I think many, many of us are feeling.

The lack of mention of Nico. It just boggles the mind.