Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #55

[NanZDrew]

Slippage happens with decomposition. Wasn’t it stated that Celeste was submerged in deeper oil? I could be wrong, but I’m under the impression this is the cause of her skin to be sloughed from the surface.

jmo

It was happening with SW, too; however it is easier to clean dirt, whereas, crude oil would cling to the skin and require more scrubbing to remove it resulting in more sloughing. So horrible to think about!

 

[mtnlites]

Could it have even been keyhole surgery? Just a possibility, I don't know anything about her operations.

Not the kind of spinal fusion she had.

 

[Layla123]

YES! This bothers me the most too. I just can't get my head around it. And how they keep using their "victim" status as grandparents of the murdered children/fetus to speak etc., and then behave as if their victimhood derives from being the perpetrator's parents. Seriously upsetting. You articulated what I think many, many of us are feeling.

Everything C & R Watts have done, so far, has been about appearances and saving face. They fail to realize there is no saving face after these three gruesome murders their son has committed. There is no way to make it nice or not as bad as it seems. Everywhere they go for the rest of their lives people are going to whisper as they walk by

 

[NanZDrew]

I’ve thought this from the beginning. He really believed they wouldn’t look at him as a suspect and all would appear normal. He really didn’t think he’d be under enough scrutiny to check his background activities. He also thought he’d have more time to stage. Thank God for NUA.

The other stupid thing was the GPS. I have a Garmin and even it tracks where you go. Cell phones do, too, although a little less accurately. It tracking GPS for a company is immediate. It is hard to go anywhere without being tracked.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

It was happening with SW, too; however it is easier to clean dirt, whereas, crude oil would cling to the skin and require more scrubbing to remove it resulting in more sloughing. So horrible to think about!

It makes me sick.

 

[?mysterian?]

I would say that they did not notice the surgical scar on her neck because of decomposition and then found the hardware.

Agree. Also, some neck surgeries are done posteriorly(from the back of the neck) and some are done anteriorly (from the front of the neck). I don't remember if it was ever reported if SW's neck surgery was anterior or posterior.

 

[Ljc4]

I don't know anyone though that wouldn't be broken by the prospect of spending the rest of their natural lives in prison, to be known as a wife/baby killer to boot. Also, I cannot imagine the strain of being in a court room with a tv camera knowing most of the world despises you after you have been exposed. I do not believe any of his appearance meant true remorse/guilt/etc. If there is regret, it is linked to being caught. IMO

Many convicted killers in the past have laughed, smiled, or remained stone faced when sentenced. After all of the analyzing of CW leading up to the hearing I fully expected him to remain stone faced and even look angry. I was shocked that he showed any type of emotion at all because many (including myself) had concluded that he was incapable of feeling anything. The tears may have been completely for himself getting caught but it was still a surprise.

 

[mtnlites]

As Jennifer said, I think the surgical scar just wasn't visible due to the dirt and decomp.

 

[Charlot123]

I noticed "vaginal swabs" on the autopsies, but no other mention, does that mean none were sexually assaulted?

Nothing in the autopsies indicates sexual assaults. I thought there would be none. CW is not a rapist, he merely exists in a strange reality.

 

[Layla123]

Many convicted killers in the past have laughed, smiled, or remained stone faced when sentenced. After all of the analyzing of CW leading up to the hearing I fully expected him to remain stone faced and even look angry. I was shocked that he showed any type of emotion at all because many (including myself) had concluded that he was incapable of feeling anything. The tears may have been completely for himself getting caught but it was still a surprise.

He cried during his father’s statement, and I think he cried because he knew he disgraced his father, and he realized his father will never feel the same way about him. I didn’t see him crying for Shanann, Bella, and CeCe, though.

 

[WildWest]

The fetus had been expelled. He had soil/dirt from the shallow grave on him.

and placenta and umbilicus

 

[Best of What's Around]

Everything C & R Watts have done, so far, has been about appearances and saving face. They fail to realize there is no saving face after these three gruesome murders their son has committed. There is no way to make it nice or not as bad as it seems. Everywhere they go for the rest of their lives people are going to whisper as they walk by

I agree, but ironically, everything they have done has pretty much had the opposite effect of what they intended. Thank goodness. IMO

 

[Only4Justice]

Apparently, C & R Watts met with the DA over the weekend in the capacity as victims of the crime, and as victims they were shown the same evidence that the Rzucek’s were shown. When shown the evidence they made a turn around, and came to the conclusion that there was no denying CW’s guilt. Less than 48 hours later they forgave him. I think that’s way too soon. Don’t you?

YES. I thought about this today. I have 2 grown sons. NO Forgiveness would NOT come that fast. I can understand them saying I love You, but not forgiveness. NOT YET.

 

[DangerousBeans]

One detail that keeps bugging me is Shanann's mobile phone, found eventually in the sofa (IIRC). How did it get there? Did CW shove it in there in an attempt to hide it to support his "she's taken the kids and vanished!" fabrication, or did she put it there?

 

[Tortoise]

I would most like to hear from the neighbors who held the birthday party on that Sunday, and to find out where CW went to on the Saturday night. I have it in the back of my mind that it's possible he may have pre-dug the grave, if no one can vouch for his whereabouts. So I would like to know what he was wearing and how long he was out for, and his appearance when he returned, if he was not seeing his AP.

 

[MsBetsy]

I don't know anyone though that wouldn't be broken by the prospect of spending the rest of their natural lives in prison, to be known as a wife/baby killer to boot. Also, I cannot imagine the strain of being in a court room with a tv camera knowing most of the world despises you after you have been exposed. I do not believe any of his appearance meant true remorse/guilt/etc. If there is regret, it is linked to being caught. IMO

Yet we have seen so many killers who appear to be stone faced, bored, or even smug in court. Some look confident. He appeared on the verge of a mental breakdown. I think he is scared out of his mind. It's not his own shame that bothers him, it's the fact that he has been exposed for who he truly is. A monster. Probably for the first time in his life. His facade is over. He can't fool and manipulate anymore. He has lost all control. He has fallen apart. That's what I mean by broken. Jmo

 

[MassGuy]

One detail that keeps bugging me is Shanann's mobile phone, found eventually in the sofa (IIRC). How did it get there? Did CW shove it in there in an attempt to hide it to support his "she's taken the kids and vanished!" fabrication, or did she put it there?

I think he did. The lack of defensive wounds indicates that she was caught off guard, so she wouldn’t have had the opportunity to hide it or anything.

 

[Whiteorchids]

It's disgusting - another sign of his lack of respect. In my mind, it's possible Shanann was not sleeping or undressing when he attacked. He may have taken her pants off after she was dead.

JMO

Couldn’t he at least wrap the girls in a blanket or comforter before squishing them through that 8” opening into that disgusting slippery nasty crude oil. Geez even druggie mommy baby killer Rochelle Bond wrapped little Bella Bond in a blanket and trash bag before dumping her child in the ocean.

 

[MassGuy]

Couldn’t he at least wrap the girls in a blanket or comforter before squishing them through that 8” opening into that disgusting slippery nasty crude oil. Geez even druggie mommy baby killer Rochelle Bond wrapped little Bella Bond in a blanket and trash bag before dumping her child in the ocean.

She’s out, living it up. She failed a drug test recently, but didn’t get sent back to jail, even though it was a probation violation.

Massachusetts is the worst.

 

[Johnny1181]

This case kinda broke me. It was obvious to me from the start. And I kinda shared too much. Thank you for being patient with me.

It's been a lot. And has me questioning...I don't know that I could have been as diplomatic as this prosecutor. I admire him.

This case has been a lot. And honestly I learned how to cry.... a lot. It's just too sad and it's a lot.

I'm glad you all were here.

Edited to add: thank you