Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #56

[Jupiter05]

Do we know where CW will be serving his time? I just checked VINE and it says in custody at Wells County Jail.

He will go to a DOC facility in Denver to be evaluated. Then depending on the results, they will send him to the appropriate prison.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

That is what I understand.



If I understand correctly, those who knew the truth about Chris’s phone call did not answer publicly until after sentencing was over because they - quite rightly - did not want to do anything to jeopardize the case.

I’ve never been a VI. I have occasionally had “behind the scenes” or private information in other cases before it’s been released publicly or published by media. Sometimes it’s hard to keep quiet when one sees erroneous information being dissected and/or being blown out of all proportion/speculated on, but one HAS to be very careful not to mess up any investigation.

I am very impressed and they have my admiration that they were able to keep quiet as you said, with all the nastiness. I don’t know if I would have had such restraint.

 

[NanZDrew]

I remember at some point that I posted, as well as many others, that when all was said and done, we would still be saying, "WHY? I just don't understand." And that is what we are all saying. You just can't apply logic to illogical people or illogical situations. There was nothing about the Watts situation that was unlike anything that 1000s of people per day are going through every day, and many go through much worse things. Even if CW had a disconnect with his mother...that is no excuse. There are kids that are abandoned by their parents, beaten by their parents, have cigarettes put out on their arms by their parents, yet they don't do what Chris did. There are, on this very day, children that are living in cars because they do not have a shelter over there heads. There are invisible kids out there that nobody notices, but they don't do this. As an adult Chris found a beautiful, loving wife and children who he tired of, and went on to try to replicate what he was looking for in someone else. I heard a commentator call Chris Watts an empty vessel, and I thought that was a good description. He sat around expecting others to pour into him, to make him whole. Truth is, you can never fix another person. Many of us have learned that the hard way. You can be supportive and positive with other people, but you cannot "fix" them. It is up to each of us to "fix" ourselves. That is hard, but most of us muddle our way through it the best that we can and at least succeed to the point that we don't destroy others. There are no signs that Chris tried to do that. Like a temperamental child that tires of a toy and destroys it when it ceases to satisfy and then screams for a new one, so Chris destroyed his family and looked for a new replacement. It doesn't make sense. It won't make sense to us. Chris just wasn't quit human and ALL of this is on him.

 

[Marli61]

@Bluebythec

Was it ever confirmed that the barking we all heard was a LE dog and not Dieter?

SBM
If you watch the interview with the first reporter that interviewed CW. She said she was going to do the interview in the house but LE needed in there. It shows LE in the yard & on the porch with dogs.

 

[Sjm_qc]

He is too stupid to get a credit card in his own name so his wife won't see his charges for luxurious dinners for 2?

Could be hubris on his part. Has been able to lie his way out of and through everything in life so thought he could do it then too and believed his wife stupid enough to buy it

BBM: This!! It can be hard to understand if you’ve (generic you) never encountered people* like this. They can & will continue to lie & lie and gaslight even when there is stark, irrefutable evidence staring them in the face, or even twist it so it’s not “their fault”.

(* I was married to one & it took me far too long to “see the light”.).

 

[NanZDrew]

BBM: This!! It can be hard to understand if you’ve (generic you) never encountered people* like this. They can & will continue to lie & lie and gaslight even when there is stark, irrefutable evidence staring them in the face, or even twist it so it’s not “their fault”.

(* I was married to one & it took me far too long to “see the light”.).

Maybe he wanted SW to see. Maybe he wanted to torture her and hurt her and drive her to file for divorce. Sometimes the guilty party in a marriage wants the other party to file fast so they can play the victim and look like they were the innocent one in the marriage.

 

[PommyMommy]

Updated Wikipedia: Watts family homicides - Wikipedia

 

[wyldcynic]

I think he was probably being more blatant about his dalliance. Shanann wanted to work on their marriage. CW was over it. Maybe he thought he could push her to the point of throwing in the towel. This may explain something else that I couldn't believe... the NK said they spent time together something like 4-5 days a week! How does a married father of 2 pull that off?

It is so heartbreaking to me that the fact that she wanted them to work on their marriage was likely the catalyst for their deaths.
(NOT victim blaming... I am speaking more to his state of mind. She wouldn't just give it up - he had no choice!)

CW and NK purportedly did not start seeing each other until late June, which coincides with about the time SW and the kids went to NC for the summer. So he was able to see her 4-5x a week because he was living by himself that whole time. Everything blew up when SW and the kids returned and he could not continue seeing NK the way he had been when his family was gone. It's terrible to think, but I wonder if things would have played out differently if they had never left for the summer. Maybe it all would have happened anyway, in which case, it's really good they were able to spend that time with her family.

 

[Best of What's Around]

To me that's not a mystery. He didn't strangle her immediately. He waited for the perfect opportunity, when he was ready. We already know he didn't go into a rage after an argument. That is clear, without a doubt. Imo

Yes, but my curiousity to the question was not what happened but whether he described it differently, just as he had described that the girls were strangled when they were not.

 

[Sjm_qc]

Maybe he wanted SW to see. Maybe he wanted to torture her and hurt her and drive her to file for divorce. Sometimes the guilty party in a marriage wants the other party to file fast so they can play the victim and look like they were the innocent one in the marriage.

BBM. That too, but it can be even more insidious. They can actually believe that AND justify -to themselves - their behaviour .

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

Yes, probably the most uncomfortable moment of his life. He never struck me as a strong, brave, or confident man. He was a coward and he was shaking in his britches. Like a baby. He knows full well what will happen to him in prison. There is no way he was just putting on on a show for sympathy. He doesn't want sympathy, he wants his life back. Or rather his new life that he was so excited about. If he was so bad at acting worried or being concerned during his interview then why would he do so much better in court? His trembling with fear was real, and it's a good thing. If he had been arrogant and emotionless in court than we would have to assume he wasn't bothered by what is going to happen to him. At least we can be assured that he is suffering for his actions. That alone gives some satisfaction. Jmo

I don't think he was in half as much fear as the family members who loved him and he murdered.

 

[Tortoise]

Yes, but my curiousity to the question was not what happened but whether he described it differently, just as he had described that the girls were strangled when they were not.

Yes the word ultimately has to mean there is information left out. Otherwise it would be he flew into a rage and strangled her. Additional unnecessary words aren't accidental.

MOO

 

[Layla123]

There is a lot that DA Rourke didn’t share in the press conference, or have to share. Yet he made a point to let everyone know that NK wiped her phone of photos and texts from Chris before she came into the police station. I bet she did that Monday afternoon or Tuesday. It would only have been a mattter of time before LE contacted her. Rourke didn’t have to say that. He could have simply stayed with she was interviewed, and there were texts and photos. And left it at that. No matter what anyone says, it was a small jab. And what was LE able to get off Chris’s phone? And Shanann’s phone? Who knows.

I do know people who erase all their texts regularly. I’m going to give NK the benefit of the doubt and send all my hate to CW.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

Maybe he wanted SW to see. Maybe he wanted to torture her and hurt her and drive her to file for divorce. Sometimes the guilty party in a marriage wants the other party to file fast so they can play the victim and look like they were the innocent one in the marriage.

Very true. Or it could be that CW is so dumb he wasn’t even aware you could get an alert when your card was charged. He seems spoiled and pampered his whole life. He probably has no clue about a lot of things. I think Mommy and then his wife basically took care of everything for him.

 

[AbbyG]

There is a lot that DA Rourke didn’t share in the press conference, or have to share. Yet he made a point to let everyone know that NK wiped her phone of photos and texts from Chris before she came into the police station. I bet she did that Monday afternoon or Tuesday. It would only have been a mattter of time before LE contacted her. Rourke didn’t have to say that. He could have simply stayed with she was interviewed, and there were texts and photos. And left it at that. No matter what anyone says, it was a small jab. And what was LE able to get off Chris’s phone? And Shanann’s phone? Who knows.

I agree. I don't want to get into any suppositions about NK as per the rules here, and because she is a collateral victim of CW herself, but in discussing the DA -- that and his statement that she was mostly not completely cooperative (paraphrasing) would lead one to believe that he did not think too highly of her. Also the way he would say CW's "girlfriend" with a spin on that word -- I think the DA is a highly moral man with integrity and the fact that NK wiped her texts did not go over so well with him. MOO.

 

[MsBetsy]

Yes, but my curiousity to the question was not what happened but whether he described it differently, just as he had described that the girls were strangled when they were not.

My guess is he probably did not describe it, at least not with much detail. He was probably as vague as he could be, as he did not want to admit fault. We will probably never learn the details. But I can pretty much imagine what he did, based on what we know of it being a deliberate and controlled action. I don't even think he came out and said, ok, I did it. I think they just approached him with all the evidence and made it clear that he didn't have a chance, so he reluctantly agreed to the plea deal. Imo

 

[PommyMommy]

Here is the revised list of questions. I've added back the question about the garage keypad because I couldn't find the answer to that after listening to the press conference again. If anyone can point me to where it was mentioned, I'd appreciate it.

I've tried to group the additions in with similar questions that were already on the list, so if your question has been added, it's not necessarily at the bottom of the list.

QUESTIONS WE HAVE ABOUT THE WATTS MURDERS

1. What was the significance of the non-porous bag and the footprint?
2. What was CW doing on the Saturday night before the murders? Did he use a babysitter?
3. What did CW do with Shanann's engagement and wedding rings?
4. What did the dogs alert on?
5. We all heard a dog barking while at least one of the infamous 'porch' interviews took place, was it ever confirmed that the barking we all heard was a LE dog and not Dieter, the daschund?
   
6. Will they ever release the police interview with Chris?
7. What was underneath the blacked out areas in the arrest affidavit?
8. The affidavit states that CW “ultimately” strangled SW – did he describe a big fight, inconsistent with the autopsy results?
9. Did Chris Watts know the neighbors had cameras?
10. Was the garage keypad really broken as CW told police?
11. What is the history about that doll photo on her FB?
12. NK "deleted" texts & FB posts before contacting LE. Do we know if LE recovered them?
13. How did Shanann's phone get in the sofa?
14. What was the content of the texts CW sent in the days leading up to the murders? Will they be made public?
15. What was the content of his texts and any voicemail to SW after the murders?
16. Bella was received at autopsy wrapped in a bedsheet "from retrieval process." Was this one of the Watts' bed sheets and was she found with it?
17. What was the exact day/time CW called 1) the school to "un-enroll" the girls and, 2) the realtor about selling the house?
18. Did the Watts have a home phone?
19. Did SW mention to anyone (family/friends) that a separation or divorce was being discussed? Did NUA know what SW meant when she indicated she would need her friendship more than ever?
20. Did Shanann ask to talk to the girls on Sunday night and if so, did CW deny this?
21. When did CW find out about baby Nico's gender and what was his reaction that the DA alluded to?
22. A reporter asked Rourke if he thought the pregnancy had contributed to CW's actions. Rourke said, "The reaction of the defendant when he found out was something less than what you would expect a normal and reasonable father to display when he found out that he was about to have a son." The DA looked and sounded like he was referring to something specific. Is this coming from texts they read between SW and CW? Something SW told family or friends?
23. Why didn't SW, Bella, and CeCe have on pants? Was it to enable getting them down the oil-tank hatch more easily? If so, why then would SW not have on pants?

MOO

 

[Jsphie15]

I have a question regarding NK and the scrubbing of her phone/deleting of text messages. I was the victim of a stalker and though the text messages had been deleted, LI was able to subpoena the records from the cellphone providers. They got every last detailed text. It was a printed list of everything that was said. Though we as consumers don’t have access to this, LI can request it and every single word shared via text with anyone, is stored and able to be retrieved. So why would they not do this and confirm more of what was known/etc via their text exchange. Please forgive me if this was answered already.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

I will say that not wearing pants isn’t anything significant for me. Many times in the summer my girls and myself slept only in T-shirt’s and undies, especially when they were Bella and CeCe’s ages. One of my kids still sleeps that way all year round. Like I said before, Shanann sleeping in her bra did make me wonder if she was in bed but I’ve been assured many of you sleep in your bras. I also agree the lack of defense wounds means she was most likely asleep when he attacked her. I think she was super tired and just took off her pants and crawled into bed.

 

[JDough]

Radio interview with the DA. He talks about what they showed the CW's mom and dad

Weld County DA Talks Watts Case | Colorado's Morning News | KOA NewsRadio

I wonder what their reactions were to the information. Were they hostile and trying to refute the evidence? Did they continue to blame the victim for his actions? Or, did they admit that their son was indeed guilty?