Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #56

[Tippy Lynn]

Sorry for the confusion. I was told on Monday the 13th that he had been fired the prior thursday and was given a time to turn in work truck, tools etc. It obviously was not truth. I should have realized that when the DA stated he texted another worker. Sorry, this is all still a bit much.

Completely understandable - no apologies necessary. We're glad you're here with us

 

[BingoBongo]

I don't know. We just categorize things better. The world I think has become a less violent place in many areas, since Jesus walked the earth.

And the reason I kept using the term "Greek tragedy" at the beginning of the case is because that's what it was. Horrific things like this have been described since antiquity.

There's a book called Wisconsin Death Trip which is a gruesome little "coffee table" book about the reality of the pioneers to places in what was then the west, like Wisconsin.

It has tons of photos, newspaper clippings, letters, and various recorded information.

The number of family annihilations that took place in Wisconsin alone, during that period in the late 1800's, is astonishing. And these were very religious folk.

Evil has always walked the earth. IMO we've just gotten fancier at categorizing it. And IMO, the less people struggle with things they need to obtain a happy and healthy life, the less we see of such things.

That being said, I don't think there was one thing that would've enabled any intervention or diagnosis that could've helped CW or prevented him from becoming the monster he is today.

The signs were too subtle. The façade was too well crafted. I don't see how anyone could ever guess that a man who carefully wiped his kids' noses, and played with them, and bathed them, and snuggled them, would becomethis unrecognizable thing. You know what I mean?

He never showed real anger. He didn't have a real romantic relationship before CW. His mother was a terrible monster-in-law. He was a quiet guy who wasn't very social, really. Studious. Determined. But not into having fun.

In retrospect, they are signs, even though countless normal people have very similar characteristics.

But signs that could've led anyone to intervene?

That would be things like starting fires, abusing animals, a criminal record, failing grades, domestic violence incidents. Drugs. Alcohol abuse.

We have none of that here. Nothing.

If we had any of that I don't think this case would've gripped us the way it did. It's the stark normalcy of this family that makes the whole thing so darn sinister and shocking.

I don't think there's much that could prevent a unique monster like this from unleashing his evil in the future, except maybe the gut instinct of whatever lucky woman encounters a man like him in the future, sees perfection, but feels doom. And gets the hell out before it's too late.

I agree for the most part, but...we can help people be more aware. Mainly, women. I've read about, and known, too many women who (probably due to their co-dependent nature) hve suffered horribly due to a lack of knowledge. My own personal experience has been long, thankfully not physically damaging from abuse, but long. Knowledge is power. Wish I'd known long ago, what I know now.

 

[Layla123]

I don't think this is significant either. My two oldest children sleep in nothing but their underwear (boy and girl). They claim they get too hot with any kind of pajamas on. So it isn't unusual to me if children are in a t-shirt. Plus, Bella is described as being in a nightgown. Someone on FB posted a picture of her in a nightgown that is similar in description to the one she was wearing that horrible night. Very chilling. MOO

It is significant to me because it shows CW had so little concern for them he carried each one out of the house without their pants on, like they were human garbage. The whole thing sickens and disgusts me.

 

[NuttMegg]

It was also stated that he was in federal prison. CW will be in a state prison.

To be fair he said something like he's been in 11 different prisons, but several could have been transfers or something. He didn't actually say he committed 11 different crimes. But he is running the 1st prisoner consultant business I've heard of.

 

[The Farm]

Your post just reminded me that this scenario just happened to one of my friends this past summer. My friend has one child, a daughter. A beautiful, smart, ambitious daughter. Her daughter got engaged to her long time boyfriend whom my friend has never really liked because he is lazy, not ambitious, does not have a regular consistent job, lives off of her daughter, and basically makes no effort to get to know anyone in the daughter's family. My friend hoped her daughter wouldn't go through with marrying him. She wanted better for her one and only daughter.

But guess what? When the wedding was being planned, my friend jumped right in to help. She ordered a beautiful mother of the bride dress and she stood proudly next to the newly married couple in wedding pictures. She said the groom would barely talk to her that day, but she didn't make a scene about it because it was her daughter's wedding day. Did she want better for her daughter? Yes. Did she accept her adult daughter's choice and respect her decision and participate in helping her daughter have a dream wedding? Yes. Because she loves her daughter much more than she dislikes her new son-in-law and she hopes for the best. The wedding wasn't about her - it was about the couple getting married.

Thank you so much for this reply to my post. Especially when you said the groom would barely talk to her. Same here and luckily at this point I am not calling him the groom and hope I never will even though I can see them getting married someday.
My daughter does know how I feel about him because she has seen the way he has interacted with me and I suppose from his experience with his mother all mothers are bad. The worse part is my daughter and I have a very close relationship which I think is another thing that he has a hard time with.
Sorry to get off thread but I do appreciate your reply, I am not alone!

 

[Jennifer17]

To be fair he said something like he's been in 11 different prisons, but several could have been transfers or something. He didn't actually say he committed 11 different crimes. But he is running the 1st prisoner consultant business I've heard of.

BBM. They do say if you decide to open your own business, pick a business you know.

 

[katydid23]

For our list of questions @PommyMommy. I'm curious how NUA knew SW missed her doctor's appointment. Did she call the office and ask when she never heard back from SW?

SW's and NAU's good friend, Lauren, who was on the podcast, whose name we shall not repeat, answered that question in an interview.

To paraphrase, she said that NAU was supposed to meet up with SW after the doctor appt. But SW wasn't responding to texts/calls, and that alarmed NAU because SW never did that before.

So NAU went to the house, and saw the car was in the garage. So she wanted to know if SW ever even made it to the Doctor. NAU called and asked then if SW was still there, and was told she never arrived.

 

[katydid23]

This is my understanding:

-Shanann did not switch school.
-In the morning after annihilating his whole family, CW called the school to un-enroll Bella. He explained to the school that Bella will be going to a different school.
-He did this so no one from any school calls him about Bella in the future.

It's crazy but that's how his mind works.

If he wasn't such a moron, he could have called the school, and asked if Bella arrived, because he is trying to reach his wife with no response. That would have looked a whole lot better than calling and unenrolling her.

 

[Seattle1]

Christopher Watts is a monster disguised as a man and father.

That his Mother, now fully aware of what her son has done to his own wife and children , can overlook the absolutely heinous acts that he commited , can turn to him during the sentencing hearing and say, for God and everyone to hear, "I forgive you , Son".

What the hell? She forgives him for marrying Shannan? She forgives him for having children with her? She forgives him for slighting her in some way, I'm sure. These people are warped in some horrible way. To have her as a neighbor or co-worker would have me on edge. Something is very, very wrong.

It was reported today by the DA that on his first day in Jail, CW reportedly attempted to phone his Dad, but the connection failed. CW did not redial, or ever attempt to call anyone again during his entire incarceration.

I don't think CW believes he needs Cindy's forgiveness. He loathes her. MOO
‘About as big as it gets:’ Gravity of lifetime sentence for Watts not lost on Weld DA

 

[Tippy Lynn]

If he wasn't such a moron, he could have called the school, and asked if Bella arrived, because he is trying to reach his wife with no response. That would have looked a whole lot better than calling and unenrolling her.

School wasn't in session yet. Bella was going to start the following Monday.
jmo

 

[Jennifer17]

If he wasn't such a moron, he could have called the school, and asked if Bella arrived, because he is trying to reach his wife with no response. That would have looked a whole lot better than calling and unenrolling her.

Yes, I can't understand some of the things he did.

 

[tmar]

The Rzuceks really handled themselves with such grace. I can tell you if this was me and my children, my family would be in jail because they would've attacked him. It took a lot of restraint on their part, especially Frankie Jr. These poor people

I bet, if Frankie Jr was alone with CW he would do CW harm, with us all supporting Frankie.
Poor Frankie just didn't have a chance to get to CW, as within days, the Creep was arrested.
MOO.

 

[tmar]

CW was going to fancy restaurants and planning posh vacations with his AP, but felt too much pressure to find a way to pay for preschool for his children? I despise this man.

I think, within a short time, we will hear of attacks on CW now that he is locked up.
MOO.

 

[tmar]

There is a lot that DA Rourke didn’t share in the press conference, or have to share. Yet he made a point to let everyone know that NK wiped her phone of photos and texts from Chris before she came into the police station. I bet she did that Monday afternoon or Tuesday. It would only have been a mattter of time before LE contacted her. Rourke didn’t have to say that. He could have simply stayed with she was interviewed, and there were texts and photos. And left it at that. No matter what anyone says, it was a small jab. And what was LE able to get off Chris’s phone? And Shanann’s phone? Who knows.

I agree with you, the DA made sure we knew, NK wiped her phone.
He also made it clear that NUA was a hero.
He wishes all, to understand how these people are involved.
MOO.

 

[katydid23]

School wasn't in session yet. Bella was going to start the following Monday.
jmo

But early that morning was Kinder orientation, from what others have said.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

But early that morning was Kinder orientation, from what others have said.

I hadn't heard that.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I think, within a short time, we will hear of attacks on CW now that he is locked up.
MOO.

Highly likely - it's not like he'll be surrounded by a bunch of stand up guys.

 

[tmar]

Very true. Or it could be that CW is so dumb he wasn’t even aware you could get an alert when your card was charged. He seems spoiled and pampered his whole life. He probably has no clue about a lot of things. I think Mommy and then his wife basically took care of everything for him.

Perhaps because all his life CW was pampered, spoiled, helped, taken care of, firstly with his parents then with Shan'ann.
CW fitted into these scenarios as so easy for him, no effort required on his part.
He perhaps didn't make a fuss, about decisions being made concerning him again, as so easy for him.
He just meandered along in life, as so easy.
He tired, of this, as saw something better in the future, and started his plan for a new life.
MOO.

 

[Seattle1]

I don't know. We just categorize things better. The world I think has become a less violent place in many areas, since Jesus walked the earth.

And the reason I kept using the term "Greek tragedy" at the beginning of the case is because that's what it was. Horrific things like this have been described since antiquity.

There's a book called Wisconsin Death Trip which is a gruesome little "coffee table" book about the reality of the pioneers to places in what was then the west, like Wisconsin.

It has tons of photos, newspaper clippings, letters, and various recorded information.

The number of family annihilations that took place in Wisconsin alone, during that period in the late 1800's, is astonishing. And these were very religious folk.

Evil has always walked the earth. IMO we've just gotten fancier at categorizing it. And IMO, the less people struggle with things they need to obtain a happy and healthy life, the less we see of such things.

That being said, I don't think there was one thing that would've enabled any intervention or diagnosis that could've helped CW or prevented him from becoming the monster he is today.

The signs were too subtle. The façade was too well crafted. I don't see how anyone could ever guess that a man who carefully wiped his kids' noses, and played with them, and bathed them, and snuggled them, would becomethis unrecognizable thing. You know what I mean?

He never showed real anger. He didn't have a real romantic relationship before CW. His mother was a terrible monster-in-law. He was a quiet guy who wasn't very social, really. Studious. Determined. But not into having fun.

In retrospect, they are signs, even though countless normal people have very similar characteristics.

But signs that could've led anyone to intervene?

That would be things like starting fires, abusing animals, a criminal record, failing grades, domestic violence incidents. Drugs. Alcohol abuse.

We have none of that here. Nothing.

If we had any of that I don't think this case would've gripped us the way it did. It's the stark normalcy of this family that makes the whole thing so darn sinister and shocking.

I don't think there's much that could prevent a unique monster like this from unleashing his evil in the future, except maybe the gut instinct of whatever lucky woman encounters a man like him in the future, sees perfection, but feels doom. And gets the hell out before it's too late.

I will always be curious to know how CW responded to the loss of a pet, grandparent, friend, etc., or if he had any visible reaction to their loss at all. I'd like to know if CW ever buried a family pet, and/or how he disposed of the remains. Did he desecrate the remains of his pets? I find it difficult to believe his first inhumane disposal came in the form of dangling his baby girls from their wrists over crude oil tanks. MOO

 

[KathrynL]

It was reported today by the DA that on his first day in Jail, CW reportedly attempted to phone his Dad, but the connection failed. CW did not redial, or ever attempt to call anyone again during his entire incarceration.

I don't think CW believes he needs Cindy's forgiveness. He loathes her. MOO
‘About as big as it gets:’ Gravity of lifetime sentence for Watts not lost on Weld DA

IIRC, his father didn't seem to even glance CW's way as they left the podium. For all we know, CW has put the blame on his mother for his marital problems and his crime. I've seen other adults blame their family for all of their problems, faults and failures. moo