GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #60

[Lore Listener]

I will say this though - what I've learned through research and therapy to figure out how to protect my ex and my three, young brothers in law, (my MIL has always actually been nice to me, strangely!) is that people become personality disordered like this usually through abuse, neglect and abandonment and they feel a ton of pain and emptiness.

So is there room for empathy? Yes. It can be hard when faced with the meannnes and cruelty and selfish destructiveness but at core the reasons for who they became and how they suffer are quite sad.

This is beautiful, @gitana1, thank you. It's one of the reasons I stayed with my abusive ex so long; I felt so much empathy for him about what he had been subjected to his whole life--and not just his parents but extended and grandparents on both sides too. Once I realized what my in-laws were and what they had wantonly put their children through, I thought I could reach that poor little boy inside, have a new, healthy family with him where holidays were happy and the family loved and trusted and worked together for each other, but it was too late. He was no longer capable of being loved or loving anyone but himself, and even that was more ruthless self-interest than love. Even after I left him, any kindness is seen as weakness and immediately used as leverage to try again to destroy me.

I still have these moments of empathy, and sad tenderness about the futility of it all, but I know I must stay in hiding with no contact or damage will be done to me and my daughters. It's easier to forgive, though, knowing where the behavior comes from, as you have described. And it's why I wish average folks like Shanann and me had this information--that it was common knowledge--before we started families of our own with PD people from PD families.

 

[gitana1]

From CW to NK
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I feel like if anyone sent me something like that after a couple months I would run.

 

[The Farm]

Tag 187 is the neighbours security video but it won't download for me!

Yes me neither and that in one that I am very interested in seeing.

 

[Gardenista]

No, not even close. There are numerous files--maybe 20+.

I only got 1 so far

Replying to myself, but I just counted and there are 66 files!

 

[gitana1]

Front of one of the above cards I posted.

True love bombing. So creepy.

 

[NuttMegg]

HLN on the case

i think it was because the state didn't really have any leverage re the death penalty, (in CO). I think they got the whole enchilada when he confessed to all, and took it while the getting was good. Why wait and drag it out, possibly losing much in the process.

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

I feel like if anyone sent me something like that after a couple months I would run.

Too much, too soon. Hopefully NK will learn from this, but I won't hold my breath.

Moo

 

[PommyMommy]

Oh God. Be careful what you wish for, or something.

@PommyMommy I’m assuming that you already have these videos, and have viewed them in their entirety.

I look forward to your complete analysis within the hour.

Aaaaaaaaghh! I picked today to rearrange the house for Christmas... Hoping to see your summary when I get caught up.

 

[askedandanswered]

Wouldn't it be nice to have some sort of system set up where we are "assigned" a file for viewing and reporting back to others. I'm not prepared for the amount of time it's going to take to go through these.

 

[Bravo]

Reading his words on the cards leads me to believe when it comes to romantic words-No game there either LOL

 

[Gardenista]

NK says it would have been an honor to meet the kids, but only after he was completely out of his marriage. She said CW never asked her to meet the kids.

 

[The Farm]

I wish this was not all going down right now, I had just threw spaghetti into a boiling pan of water and it is going to be mush!!!!

 

[Mellowmelly]

Wow that's dad. Guess guilt doesn't exist in their world. And here I was feeling bad for her. Hypersexualized giggling teenagers except -- grownups. And CW coming on so strong like he has NEVER met ANYONE like her -- ugh I am sure he came on that strong to SW too, who did not even want him at first. This lady seems to have been in from hello, and even prior, with her Googling a year earlier.

He was definitely in the love bombing stage wasn’t he, I wonder how long it would’ve took for the devalue and discard stage to appear...as for her googling SW earlier in the year, before anything started with NK and CW, that’s just creepy, stalkery. Did she want SW life ?

 

[Nessa131]

I am trying to download file 187 so i can post here but nothing is downloading on my phone!!!

 

[medea13]

Tag 187 is the neighbours security video but it won't download for me!

me either! I can't get any of them to work! so frustrating~

 

[Lore Listener]

Just makes me so sad for Shanann reading that. She was a wonderful wife and mum. Heartbreaking.

Agree!!!! All I felt reading that was my blood boiling for Shanann. The wife and mother who worked so hard and loved so hard and put up with his family and his BS and never gave up on him, and he's off writing cr@p like that to some chick from work. Monster!

 

[Gardenista]

First time she went to their house, she sat in their front living room on the floor. July 4, 2018.
He grilled chix and carrots for lunch.
She literally sounds unconcerned and detached. Unbelievable.

 

[x_files]

I think she loved those kids in the way that she was capable of and didn't want them to get hurt or die. But her hatred for Shanann disabled her ability to be rational and safe.

It's evil in the sense that her hatred and desire to punish was so intense it over rode her natural instinct to protect her grandchildren. IMO.

Truly dysfunctional.

Is there therapy or treatment for someone like her?
I, unfortunately, have met people like her, their hatred runs so deep completely irrational and frightening to be around. Those poor kids.

 

[NuttMegg]

He seemed pretty savvy in his deception with the secret calculator app, the gift cards and lies about traffic, the rockies game, etc. Sounds like he had some practice. Lots of practice!

How does a person with a job and a full blown torrid affair, and a family have time to accumulate 12,000 photos?

 

[Lore Listener]

Definitely the first videos I want to see!

JUST IN: The Weld County DA's office has just released hundreds of hours of videos related to the #ChrisWatts case. It includes Watts' interview with investigators and their interview with his mistress Nicole Kessinger. We are downloading it now. Stay tuned. @DenverChannel

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Will we finally get to hear the "creepy giggles" and judge for ourselves? You go first, ok?