GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #68

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  • #881
Chatted, face timed, and texted with NK for 3 hours Monday night not even 24 hours after he murdered his kids and their Mom. While lying there in the same house.
on the same bed! Remember...NK mentioned the bed was stripped. I don't believe no matter what he says that the kids were not also premeditated. His behavior after the fact was not of a man who made a heat of passion decision to murder kids he planned to spend the rest of his life loving. MOO
 
  • #882
I hope you tell them that what he says won't affect his treatment in prison, It has nothing to do with that. Total nonsense.

I agree. I know Larry Levine said hes probably being kept in protective custody by himself. Which can literally drive a person crazy after awhile. That is what they did with Jeffrey Dahmer. After awhile he couldn't take it anymore and asked to be put in general population. I think it was less than a year after going in general population that he was killed by an inmate.

Its all so much worse than I imagined. I feel sick.
 
  • #883
Just when I thought this case couldn't get any worse I read this headline. I'd always hoped (somewhat naively I guess) that CW killed them while they slept. My mind cannot comprehend this.
 
  • #884
Interesting thoughts. Most family annihilators kill themselves so you could be very right.

I think it was @stereopticons who enlightened us about psych diagnosis classifications. It kind of blew my mind. She/he talked about how the diagnoses were created for billing purposes and so most people don't neatly fit into one.

I've found that family annihilators tend to be unique animals. A mix of issues and they vary but most seem to be desperate about appearances and not being seen as a bad guy. Like they can't face something as simple as a divorce because it would make them look bad. Many kill their families to avoid the shame of debt or a lie that's about to be uncovered. Some come from super religious families and feel they can't divorce for freedom or an affair.

It seems clear that CW was desperate to keep his relationship with NK. He was obsessive about it. Earlier I theorized that as the possible child of and enmeshed family and maybe narcissistic mother, he was unable to have his own feelings or a separate identity. He was always described as bland and kind of featureless, frankly. Withdrawn. Not social. Didn't seem to have one close, true friend.

How can you if you've been raised to meet your family's needs and have never had your own needs met or even recognized?

It seems he did break free when he got with Shanann (really his only girlfriend by that time, that I can uncover) but that caused a lot of discord and flailing and tantrums on the part of his family - mother and sister purposefully not inviting any of Shanann's friends to her bridal shower, and not showing up to the wedding, his daddy falling apart when CW married, developing apparent drug/alcohol issues, the on-going hatred of SW by his family of origin and refusal to respect her boundaries.

And ultimately, things likely got stale in his marriage as the reality of the drudgery and monotony of family life set in. Let's face it, after years of marriage it is not typically that exciting. And the routine of child care, errands and work can be deadening for many to some degree.

Further, CW was playing a role. Oh I think he was hot for SW at first but as married life went on, he might have begun to develop a resentment about being trapped in a role that was never that real for him. Because in my opinion, the reason he was such a quiet guy, a good kid, no problems, no real friends, is because he never developed a real identity. That's not allowed in enmeshed families with narcissistic parents which is what I suspect.

So now there's no more excitement and he's living someone else'e life - he doesn't know who he is so this isn't really his life. And there might be a simmering rage building up about that.

NK comes along. I think this isn't a guy who feels real love - I think you need to have an actual identity for that - but he can experience obsession and sexual thrill. Which must be pretty powerful for a guy who likely just goes through the motions and doesn't feel much of anything, ever. He became infatuated. But he was trapped. Because as much as his family disliked his wife, he likely felt a narcissistic panic at the thought of unveiling his true, base desires and leaving a pregnant wife and two kids for an affair.

Worse, he lied to NK. She thought he was at the end of a divorce, instead of not even separated. And his wife was almost four months pregnant. So he began an affair either just before he got her pregnant or soon after, which NK did not know.

And it's clear despite her revolting crooning in her police interview, that she indeed was upset that he had kids. As she told her friend, she wanted a man to start a family with, not a second family. She didn't want that baggage. Hearing that horrible woman talk, I have no doubt she made her feelings very clear, to CW.

He was going to lose her. He had to get rid of his family.

But he may not be a pure psychopath or sociopath. Maybe he's just a disturbed person with narcissistic tendencies, incapable of true love because he doesn't actually fully exist. And when he felt something, that feeling was so novel and so exciting he was willing to kill his whole family for it.

I think you have to exist to feel real love. But if a shadow person like him has been programmed to be a good boy and meet other's needs, perhaps he has an overwhelming need to get praise again from the investigators who rubbed his back and told him he was doing good, and that this was the Chris they knew was in there and that they wanted to see, when he finally started telling some truths.

The whole thing is so bizarre. He is so bizarre. I feel like he was so twisted into just this featureless good boy, growing up, that he craves pleasing others. It's so weird how he acted like a toddler in the interrogation. So easily cracked. And now he's talking again.

It is rather fascinating.
Well said. The lack of identity and ability to truly love also dovetails perfectly with the search engine evidence of CW looking up what you feel when someone says they love you.
 
  • #885
Horrible news! I wonder if SW's murder was planned but the girls' was not. I would hate to think that Bella waking up and confronting her father sealed her and CeCe's fate. :(
 
  • #886
Horrible news! I wonder if SW's murder was planned but the girls' was not. I would hate to think that Bella waking up and confronting her father sealed her and CeCe's fate. :(
I personally cannot see his reactions, demeanor and words in the days after the murders reflecting anyone who didn't plan to kill the girls and truly loved them. I never heard him say one time during the 9+ hours of interviews with Coder that he missed his girls. Not once. MOO
 
  • #887
Oh my goodness. I can not even begin to express what i am feeling right now!!!!! I am so heartbroken for shanann and bella and cece and niko and her friends and family! I can’t even begin to process all this new information! I just want to go wake my 22 month old up and hug her! How could that monster?!?!?!?!? How could he?!?!?

Thanks for WS letting me come to ask questions and talk this all out.
 
  • #888
When the cops didn't arrest him during that wellness check, I think he thought he got away with it all. Porch time was gloating.

In those porch interviews he couldn’t contain his excitement with smiles, a laugh and the sucking on his lips so IMO he again would be excited to have this attention let alone be on the Dr Phil show.
Mongrel.
 
  • #889
When the cops didn't arrest him during that wellness check, I think he thought he got away with it all. Porch time was gloating.
And during the first day of the interrogations he was chatting with Coder and Lee about going on GMA. Or the Today Show. He was talking about how big media wanted him.
 
  • #890
I think in his mind the girls had to go. He wanted a fresh start and new life. He couldn't have that with an ex and kids. I don't think he ever loved them anyway. He only doted for the camera and because of Shanann.
 
  • #891
Oh my goodness. I can not even begin to express what i am feeling right now!!!!! I am so heartbroken for shanann and bella and cece and niko and her friends and family! I can’t even begin to process all this new information! I just want to go wake my 22 month old up and hug her! How could that monster?!?!?!?!? How could he?!?!?

Thanks for WS letting me come to ask questions and talk this all out.
I agree, I constantly think about Bella and Cece when I look at my 2 young girls. It’s so unthinkable what their own father could do.
 
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I knew he would twist it back onto Shanann.
🤬🤬🤬.
 
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More here. Sounds like CW is claiming it was spontaneous rather than pre-planned. Doesn’t make much sense to me. He’s worried about not seeing his kids ... so he kills his kids ensuring he will never see them again. Say what?

Attorney to Dr. Phil: Chris Watts Revealed Affair, Killed Shanann When She Said He Wouldn’t See the Kids Again

Chris Watts' Daughter Walked in on Him Strangling His Wife: 'What Are You Doing with Mommy?'
And, he insisted to Coder and Tammy Lee (about 5 times, IIRC) that he didn't have enough nerve to tell SW about the affair. It's just an excuse. She said I'd never see the kids again so I killed them. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
  • #897
I can hear it now. "She deserved it."

Yep. And then “of course he had to kill the kids, Bella would have told the police. He just did what any normal man would do. He’s a good boy, he played sports.”
 
  • #898
No surprise. More lies.
 
  • #899
No surprise. More lies.

I'm not sure it's a lie. It's something I can see myself saying if I'm royally pissed. Just something said in anger.
 
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