GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #68

[buttonbaby]

How is this a pivot in their viewpoint? Are these not the same people who said CW beat the crap out of SW while "defending him" and saying SW killed the kids? The same people who released an "if anything happens to me letter" purporting to be from CW which the DA rejected as being evidence and if true only served to make the crime look MORE premeditated? The same people who wrote to the judge on behalf of the Watts parents and attempted to interfere with the trial?

They have never been very good at making CW and his family "look good" nor have they been very consistent in defending him. I think they are just making up salacious info for the sake of clicks on their channel.

And I have to disagree that he could have taken them out to his truck alive and unseen on video. I think it would have been very obvious if he was carrying a living child out.

Living children move. They also make noise. And no matter how much they trusted him as daddy I highly doubt the girls willingly got into a garbage bag with their toys and blankets and were silent and motionless so he could carry them out without being noticed. And why would he do that when he didn't even know the video would capture him loading up the truck? His face when he saw the video at the neighbors house reveals he didn't know the camera would catch him. The neighbor had recently changed the angle of the camera so it caught CW.

But my bottom line is that CW is on video loading up the garbage bags. To believe the girls were alive (and not yet smothered) at that point is foolishness IMHO.

MOO.

BBM... ^^^ Yes, I totally agree. IMHO. JMO. MOO.

 

[Tigerlily75]

She mentioned all of the thumbs down and she immediately got about 30 more lol

Haha. Now the live feed is over, it’s the replay, and.. “comments are disabled for this video”

 

[nwmouse]

That idiot has a video from one week ago - SW: a very unlikable victim. Really? Wow.

That is just lower than low.

How vile to speak like that about a pregnant murder victim, mommy of two beautiful toddlers who were also murdered.

Speaks far more about the person who said that than it will ever say about Shanann, who was loved by most people.

Excluding the family of the monster who murdered her and the baby girls, and the "Pod People", of course.

MOO

 

[nwmouse]

She mentioned all of the thumbs down and she immediately got about 30 more lol

Haha, excellent!

I made a comment denouncing her vile clickbait on her youtube channel, and challenged her to have the guts to leave it up. Unfortunately she deleted it.

Pfffft!

The more who report her the better, as her antics are truly disgusting.

moo

 

[NuttMegg]

There are several "Chris Watts Shadows" uploads on YT. Some annotated to show where the kids were supposed to be walking per small shadows and him bending over to scoop them up. Not sure if I believe it, but there are shadows in weird places.

 

[MassGuy]

How is this a pivot in their viewpoint? Are these not the same people who said CW beat the crap out of SW while "defending him" and saying SW killed the kids? The same people who released an "if anything happens to me letter" purporting to be from CW which the DA rejected as being evidence and if true only served to make the crime look MORE premeditated? The same people who wrote to the judge on behalf of the Watts parents and attempted to interfere with the trial?

They have never been very good at making CW and his family "look good" nor have they been very consistent in defending him. I think they are just making up salacious info for the sake of clicks on their channel.

And I have to disagree that he could have taken them out to his truck alive and unseen on video.
I think it would have been very obvious if he was carrying a living child out.

Living children move. They also make noise. And no matter how much they trusted him as daddy I highly doubt the girls willingly got into a garbage bag with their toys and blankets and were silent and motionless so he could carry them out without being noticed. And why would he do that when he didn't even know the video would capture him loading up the truck? His face when he saw the video at the neighbors house reveals he didn't know the camera would catch him. The neighbor had recently changed the angle of the camera so it caught CW.

But my bottom line is that CW is on video loading up the garbage bags. To believe the girls were alive (and not yet smothered) at that point is foolishness IMHO.

MOO.

Shanann bashers and CW supporters trying to distance themselves from their vile comments, is a pivot.

If I’m not mistaken, the discovery document makes no mention of the kids being placed in trash bags.

The stripped bedding from CW and SW’s bed, might have been in there.

Taking the toys and blankets to the oil site, makes sense, as it would keep the kids quiet.

Exhausted and possibly sleeping kids being carried to the car, would be similar to carrying dead kids.

A lie would keep them calm, especially at that age.

So the question is twofold, did he say this? And is it true?

I think yes, and maybe.

 

[1&2&3]

I cannot believe the girls were alive on the drive to the oil field.

A 4 year old is observant and very questioning. If she saw her dad doing something to her momma, she is not going to drop the subject.

In the truck, she will be asking ten million questions. Why is mommy not talking? Why are mommy’s eyes shut? Why is mommy in the floor? Why is mommy in the sheet?

One of the girls will start crying or become almost hysterical. Don’t think CW could put up with this for a 40 minute drive.

Can LE see the neighbors video clear enough to actually see three bags? Was SW in a bag also? If so, the 4 year old knows that isn’t right!

After the tidbits heard tonight, how or even why should we believe one word coming out of CW’s mouth?!?!

 

[NuttMegg]

I cannot believe the girls were alive on the drive to the oil field.

A 4 year old is observant and very questioning. If she saw her dad doing something to her momma, she is not going to drop the subject.

In the truck, she will be asking ten million questions. Why is mommy not talking? Why are mommy’s eyes shut? Why is mommy in the floor? Why is mommy in the sheet?

One of the girls will start crying or become almost hysterical. Don’t think CW could put up with this for a 40 minute drive.

Can LE see the neighbors video clear enough to actually see three bags? Was SW in a bag also? If so, the 4 year old knows that isn’t right!

After the tidbits heard tonight, how or even why should we believe one word coming out of CW’s mouth?!?!

I mentioned this before:
It could be that this version is not the same version as we will hear on Dr. Phil tomorrow. It is said to have come from CW to the Watts in 15 min time blocks where they extracted the truth from him.
It could also be that this version is not on the March 7 release either.
But
It could be that the Dr. Phil version is not on the March 7 tape either!!

He is a liar.
I looked at those shadow tapes again, people were claiming a long time ago that they saw him pick up 2 small people who threw shadows that were not his shadows. And that lights in the truck were going off at weird times. Watch the videos and make up your own minds, I don't know what to think.

You know, there is a possibility that he killed SW and put her down in the car BEFORE the kids knew anything was up, and that he called them to come down to the car with him. What if he put SW in the back seat, well covered with the sheet and bags of bedding. And then put the kids in front.

 

[MassGuy]

I cannot believe the girls were alive on the drive to the oil field.

A 4 year old is observant and very questioning. If she saw her dad doing something to her momma, she is not going to drop the subject.

In the truck, she will be asking ten million questions. Why is mommy not talking? Why are mommy’s eyes shut? Why is mommy in the floor? Why is mommy in the sheet?

One of the girls will start crying or become almost hysterical. Don’t think CW could put up with this for a 40 minute drive.

Can LE see the neighbors video clear enough to actually see three bags? Was SW in a bag also? If so, the 4 year old knows that isn’t right!

After the tidbits heard tonight, how or even why should we believe one word coming out of CW’s mouth?!?!

I never saw this scenario as a possibility, and I have made multiple posts in the past, saying that there is no way that those kids left that house alive.

I thought this whole thing had one endgame, as it was premeditated.

He was going to kill them all.

Why make this more complicated by bringing them there alive?

Why make this more horiffic?

Why take that type of risk?

What if the supposition that this was planned well in advance, is in fact wrong though?

What if he and SW did have a fight, and he decided at some point shortly after, that he was going to kill her?

What if he really didn’t know what he was going to do with the kids, until he got to the oil site?

Maybe the kids believed that mommy was sick or something, or he ignored their panic if they didn’t buy it.

There’s a lot of problems with the latter, but I can see how its possibly true.

When a liar who is obsessed with his public perception says something this damning, this horrible, then it just might be true.

I’ll reserve judgment for Thursday, when we see the interview, and read the transcripts.

 

[Gardener1850]

Shanann bashers and CW supporters trying to distance themselves from their vile comments, is a pivot.

If I’m not mistaken, the discovery document makes no mention of the kids being placed in trash bags.

The stripped bedding from CW and SW’s bed, might have been in there.

Taking the toys and blankets to the oil site, makes sense, as it would keep the kids quiet.

Exhausted and possibly sleeping kids being carried to the car, would be similar to carrying dead kids.

A lie would keep them calm, especially at that age.

So the question is twofold, did he say this? And is it true?

I think yes, and maybe.

Ok, I see what you are saying about pivot but I don't find it to be distancing themselves because this is just more vileness IMHO. Admittedly, I have not listened to one word of the pod people's videos. I'm only responding to what I saw posted about them here.

I rarely disagree with you MG, but I just don't see it happening that they were alive in his truck without car seats and with SW's dead body. I also don't think he had enough time to dig the grave for SW and smother the girls at the oil site before his co-workers showed up. As it was he left the scene very messy with a trash bag flying in the wind.

And, honestly, it's been so long since I read the discovery docs I don't recall if they proved he transported them in trash bags. But I know he left a bag at the scene. And all I can find in MSM is Frank Rzucek describing how CW "carried them out like trash" on video.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=309500359649613

I'm going to go with what Frank said over internet hucksters.

MOO.

 

[LovesChocolate]

Just when I start thinking I need to move on from this case... something happens. *sigh*

Kay (from MRS) can be trusted only as far as she can be thrown. Her "sources" last fall provided her with lies.

Any thoughts why the 2/18 interview will be redacted version released this week? Too protect the family fron additional horrific details?

 

[Gardener1850]

I never saw this scenario as a possibility, and I have made multiple posts in the past, saying that there is no way that those kids left that house alive.

I thought this whole thing had one endgame, as it was premeditated.

He was going to kill them all.

Why make this more complicated by bringing them there alive?

Why make this more horiffic?

Why take that type of risk?

What if the supposition that this was planned well in advance, is in fact wrong though?

What if he and SW did have a fight, and he decided at some point shortly after, that he was going to kill her?

What if he really didn’t know what he was going to do with the kids, until he got to the oil site?

Maybe the kids believed that mommy was sick or something, or he ignored their panic if they didn’t buy it.

There’s a lot of problems with the latter, but I can see how its possibly true.

When a liar who is obsessed with his public perception says something this damning, this horrible, then it just might be true.

I’ll reserve judgment for Thursday, when we see the interview, and read the transcripts.

BBM.

*Sigh* MassGuy, seriously, did someone hack your account?

Do we really need to list again all the things in the discovery docs pointing to premeditation?

Don't make me call on @PommyMommy 's information robots-- I'm sure she could find "things that point to premeditation" lists from previous threads.

 

[MassGuy]

BBM.

*Sigh* MassGuy, seriously, did someone hack your account?

Do we really need to list again all the things in the discovery docs pointing to premeditation?

Don't make me call on @PommyMommy 's information robots-- I'm sure she could find "things that point to premeditation" lists from previous threads.

Ha, yes, I am using “premeditation” wrong.

Specifically, I am referring to whether this crime was planned for this specific night or not.

No matter what, it was premeditated.

And @PommyMommy doesn’t use robots. She uses people, that she houses in her basement internet research sweatshop.

Paid in pies, if I’m not mistaken.

 

[they'll get you]

Proof of their insanity. After all they've done, they are trying to get people to unite, lol

I won’t be looking at that circus.

 

[Gardener1850]

Ha, yes, I am using “premeditation” wrong.

Specifically, I am referring to whether this crime was planned for this specific night or not.

No matter what, it was premeditated.

And @PommyMommy doesnt use robots. She uses people that she houses in her basement internet research sweatshop.

Paid in pies, if I’m not mistaken.

No, I'm not talking about the whole "it's technically premeditation because he could have stopped smothering them" legal definition.

I'm talking about things like:

He prearranged with his coworker to be at the oil site alone and to go straight there from his house without stopping at the office.

He called the girl's school that morning to say they wouldn't be in.

He was talking to a realtor about selling the house in the days before and day of the murders.

Shannan was going to cancel her business trip but he suddenly made up with her and promised to go away with her on a weekend trip so that she would go to AZ without worrying.

He used his debit card on his date with NK so SW could see that he went out to dinner and spent a lot of money.

Things like that... There are many more that point to this being planned for that particular day, but I'm not going to rehash it all.

MOO.

ETA: And you're right, my bad, robots don't eat pies. But IIRC Pommy's Alexa answers our questions sometimes.

 

[they'll get you]

There are several "Chris Watts Shadows" uploads on YT. Some annotated to show where the kids were supposed to be walking per small shadows and him bending over to scoop them up. Not sure if I believe it, but there are shadows in weird places.

The creator of that YT channel thought it convincing enough that the detectives look further into those shadows but then again it was he who saw someone with a ponytail leaving the house.
Zoomed in 1,000 times distorts everything.

 

[MassGuy]

No, I'm not talking about the whole "it's technically premeditation because he could have stopped smothering them" legal definition.

I'm talking about things like:

He prearranged with his coworker to be at the oil site alone and to go straight there from his house without stopping at the office.

He called the girl's school that morning to say they wouldn't be in.

He was talking to a realtor about selling the house in the days before and day of the murders.

Shannan was going to cancel her business trip but he suddenly made up with her and promised to go away with her on a weekend trip so that she would go to AZ without worrying.

He used his debit card on his date with NK so SW could see that he went out to dinner and spent a lot of money.

Things like that... There are many more that point to this being planned for that particular day, but I'm not going to rehash it all.

MOO.

Ok, but I can shoot a few of those down right away.

He called the school, after he killed them.

The oil site location communication, wasn’t completely unusual.

The credit card could have been used to force a fight.

Both of them had discussed selling the house, and Shanann was aware of it. They were in financial trouble.

The DA himself, wasn’t able to get to the bottom of this. He didn’t know the answer as to how this all went down, and when he planned it.

My point is that none of those things are proof of advanced planning.

I was never able to get there, even before these new revelations.

ETA: I think it’s probable that he planned to kill her at some prior point, but am not absolutely convinced that he planned it for that night.

There is evidence that points to it, and other evidence that could point to it. There are also some things that could be used to refute it.

 

[margarita25]

Has everyone forgotten that CW is on video loading up the truck? There is no way on earth he carried the girls out to his truck and put them in there ALIVE. That would have been seen on video. Those pod people (or ex pod people-- whoever they are) are full of you know what. MOO.

He could have, if the girls believed that mommy was sleeping or sick.

If the camera didn’t catch him putting dead bodies in the truck, it could have easily missed two living children who were being willingly carried.

They probably would have literally been sitting right next to their dead mother’s body, something that I am only now realizing.

These people have supported CW, and bashed Shanann. That’s one hell of a pivot to make, and I do think they’re making it for a reason.

Because he said it.

How is this a pivot in their viewpoint? Are these not the same people who said CW beat the crap out of SW while "defending him" and saying SW killed the kids? The same people who released an "if anything happens to me letter" purporting to be from CW which the DA rejected as being evidence and if true only served to make the crime look MORE premeditated? The same people who wrote to the judge on behalf of the Watts parents and attempted to interfere with the trial?

They have never been very good at making CW and his family "look good" nor have they been very consistent in defending him. I think they are just making up salacious info for the sake of clicks on their channel.

And I have to disagree that he could have taken them out to his truck alive and unseen on video.
I think it would have been very obvious if he was carrying a living child out.

Living children move. They also make noise. And no matter how much they trusted him as daddy I highly doubt the girls willingly got into a garbage bag with their toys and blankets and were silent and motionless so he could carry them out without being noticed. And why would he do that when he didn't even know the video would capture him loading up the truck? His face when he saw the video at the neighbors house reveals he didn't know the camera would catch him. The neighbor had recently changed the angle of the camera so it caught CW.

But my bottom line is that CW is on video loading up the garbage bags. To believe the girls were alive (and not yet smothered) at that point is foolishness IMHO.

MOO.

Shanann bashers and CW supporters trying to distance themselves from their vile comments, is a pivot.

If I’m not mistaken, the discovery document makes no mention of the kids being placed in trash bags.

The stripped bedding from CW and SW’s bed, might have been in there.

Taking the toys and blankets to the oil site, makes sense, as it would keep the kids quiet.

Exhausted and possibly sleeping kids being carried to the car, would be similar to carrying dead kids.

A lie would keep them calm, especially at that age.

So the question is twofold, did he say this? And is it true?

I think yes, and maybe.

I never saw this scenario as a possibility, and I have made multiple posts in the past, saying that there is no way that those kids left that house alive.

I thought this whole thing had one endgame, as it was premeditated.

He was going to kill them all.

Why make this more complicated by bringing them there alive?

Why make this more horiffic?

Why take that type of risk?

What if the supposition that this was planned well in advance, is in fact wrong though?

What if he and SW did have a fight, and he decided at some point shortly after, that he was going to kill her?

What if he really didn’t know what he was going to do with the kids, until he got to the oil site?

Maybe the kids believed that mommy was sick or something, or he ignored their panic if they didn’t buy it.

There’s a lot of problems with the latter, but I can see how its possibly true.

When a liar who is obsessed with his public perception says something this damning, this horrible, then it just might be true.

I’ll reserve judgment for Thursday, when we see the interview, and read the transcripts.

Ok, I see what you are saying about pivot but I don't find it to be distancing themselves because this is just more vileness IMHO. Admittedly, I have not listened to one word of the pod people's videos. I'm only responding to what I saw posted about them here.

I rarely disagree with you MG, but I just don't see it happening that they were alive in his truck without car seats and with SW's dead body. I also don't think he had enough time to dig the grave for SW and smother the girls at the oil site before his co-workers showed up. As it was he left the scene very messy with a trash bag flying in the wind.

And, honestly, it's been so long since I read the discovery docs I don't recall if they proved he transported them in trash bags. But I know he left a bag at the scene. And all I can find in MSM is Frank Rzucek describing how CW "carried them out like trash" on video.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=309500359649613

I'm going to go with what Frank said over internet hucksters.

MOO.

BBM.

*Sigh* MassGuy, seriously, did someone hack your account?

Do we really need to list again all the things in the discovery docs pointing to premeditation?

Don't make me call on @PommyMommy 's information robots-- I'm sure she could find "things that point to premeditation" lists from previous threads.

Ha, yes, I am using “premeditation” wrong.

Specifically, I am referring to whether this crime was planned for this specific night or not.

No matter what, it was premeditated.

And @PommyMommy doesn’t use robots. She uses people, that she houses in her basement internet research sweatshop.

Paid in pies, if I’m not mistaken.

No, I'm not talking about the whole "it's technically premeditation because he could have stopped smothering them" legal definition.

I'm talking about things like:

He prearranged with his coworker to be at the oil site alone and to go straight there from his house without stopping at the office.

He called the girl's school that morning to say they wouldn't be in.

He was talking to a realtor about selling the house in the days before and day of the murders.

Shannan was going to cancel her business trip but he suddenly made up with her and promised to go away with her on a weekend trip so that she would go to AZ without worrying.

He used his debit card on his date with NK so SW could see that he went out to dinner and spent a lot of money.

Things like that... There are many more that point to this being planned for that particular day, but I'm not going to rehash it all.

MOO.

ETA: And you're right, my bad, robots don't eat pies. But IIRC Pommy's Alexa answers our questions sometimes.

Ok, but I can shoot a few of those down right away.

He called the school, after he killed them.

The oil site location communication, wasn’t completely unusual.

The credit card could have been used to force a fight.

Both of them had discussed selling the house, and Shanann was aware of it. They were in financial trouble.

The DA himself, wasn’t able to get to the bottom of this. He didn’t know the answer as to how this all went down, and when he planned it.

My point is that none of those things are proof of advanced planning.

I was never able to get there, even before these new revelations.

( :lurk: / : popcorn: )

—

(ETA: Not making light of this awful case here of course, just respectfully jabbing my peers.)

(ETA2: Like watching ping pong...)

 

[PommyMommy]

BBM.

*Sigh* MassGuy, seriously, did someone hack your account?

Do we really need to list again all the things in the discovery docs pointing to premeditation?

Don't make me call on @PommyMommy 's information robots-- I'm sure she could find "things that point to premeditation" lists from previous threads.

Good grief, do you people ever sleep, lol? No time to search - here's a quick list:

• No panic, no grief, laughing and smiling in the porch interviews.
• That letter that states to look at Shanann if anything happened…
• He told NK, while in NC, that his divorce was final
• He told Shanann not to reveal the baby’s gender until Monday
• He was suddenly no longer interested in finding an apartment the weekend of the murders
• He used the credit card on Aug 11 at the Lazy Dog with NK
• He told his co-worker he would go directly to CERVI 319 by himself Monday morning; no help needed
• Shanann asked CW to go with Bella for her first day of school on Monday morning. He said he would but instead made plans to go to CERVI 319.
• He told NK that he wouldn’t be in the office Monday morning.
• Co-workers said he acted normal

I'm sure I've forgotten a LOT.

ETA: People in robot uniforms that eat pies.

 

[JEM1975]

She mentioned all of the thumbs down and she immediately got about 30 more lol

The bad thing is that thumbs downs still means they get paid because it's considered "interaction"