GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #68

[Gardenista]

So, correct me if I’m wrong. But a couple of coworkers ended up at the site when CW was still there, right? And he joked around with them? Was it the same site where he had JUST killed the girls? Or was it a second site later in the day?

He drove there, buried Shannan, murdered CeeCee and then dumped her then murdered Bella and dumped her. And then took a crap (right?) and then took some photos of flowers for his mistress. And then minutes later joked with coworkers? Is that right? For him to be sooooooo calm and collected, he has no soul or conscience. He is just lacking.

Basically correct, but crap-taking and flower photos happened at a different site.

 

[MsBetsy]

I tend to agree with you, he had thought about this.

I do not believe he came up with that oil tank location, at the spur of the moment.

I don’t believe he truly entertained the idea of allowing his kids to live.

As for his story of killing the kids outside the house, I don’t think the evidence excludes it.

Lying about this doesn’t make a lot of sense, especially with what we know about him.

It’s illogical, bizarre, unnecessary, difficult, and risky; I’m inclined to believe it though.

Yes, I don't know why they said during the interview that many have speculated this could have been premeditated. I always thought LE was sure that it was premeditated.
His story doesn't make sense at all. When investigators asked if there was any chance he could have put the kids in the tanks while they were still alive, he acted shocked and said, "No, God no!"
As if it's so much better to drive them in the truck for 40 minutes with their dead mother beside them, smother one child in front of the other, and kill them minutes before dumping them in the tanks! Jmo

 

[cakegirl0905]

Yes, same site. And at 10.10am he googled the lyrics to Metallica’s “Battery”.

This was not a crime of passion. This was pathological.

That’s also where he googled the song? Wow. It’s hard for me to imagine the complete lack of emotion or just...not being affected by what happened in any way. Literally MINUTES before. His lovely little girl begging for her life just minutes before. You’d think anyone would be acting less than normal. But not him. Nothing. There’s nothing inside of him.
What freaks me out is that I always thought of myself as intuitive/being able to read others. I don’t see it in his pictures. I don’t see the soulessness. That is terrifying.

 

[PommyMommy]

This is horrible, but I don't think the girls walked out to him at the truck. I don't think small children like that would walk out one by one at the right time for him to load them up. I think the shadows are doing weird things and it is his arms that look like shadows as he is bending down and picking up trash bags that contain the girls. That would also go along with what the DA said...that he loaded them up one by one like trash.

Welcome to Websleuths, TridentBlu.

 

[Tigerlily75]

That’s also where he googled the song? Wow. It’s hard for me to imagine the complete lack of emotion or just...not being affected by what happened in any way. Literally MINUTES before. His lovely little girl begging for her life just minutes before. You’d think anyone would be acting less than normal. But not him. Nothing. There’s nothing inside of him.
What freaks me out is that I always thought of myself as intuitive/being able to read others. I don’t see it in his pictures. I don’t see the soulessness. That is terrifying.

Yes! I feel like I can see it in others, like Scott Peterson, but not him. Many others have a cockiness and an arrogance to them, CW just seemed awkward. I knew he did it the minute he stepped onto his front porch, but all the social media videos before that day? I would never have guessed in a million years.

 

[Nessa131]

I have read that her phone pinged there briefly as she was driving into work that morning. Apparently she passes by that way on her daily commute.

I see. Thank you for the clarification!!

 

[TridentBlu]

Welcome to Websleuths, TridentBlu.

Thanks PommyMommy!

Am I right that the idea that the girls were killed at his work site is from a podcast, not from the lawyers on Dr. Phil? I didn't watch the entire Dr. Phil episode that was posted. I just don't believe he took the girls to the work site alive.

 

[k-mac]

I'm thinking the making up after the first argument means sex and I hate him even more.

me too.....on the up......
the fact is that that is a possibility and I would like NK to have doubts and jealousy thinking that chris and shanann may have /may not have had sex that night.

 

[ab01]

Thanks PommyMommy!

Am I right that the idea that the girls were killed at his work site is from a podcast, not from the lawyers on Dr. Phil? I didn't watch the entire Dr. Phil episode that was posted. I just don't believe he took the girls to the work site alive.

I tend to believe that they were infact killed at the worksite. Moo

 

[PommyMommy]

That’s also where he googled the song? Wow. It’s hard for me to imagine the complete lack of emotion or just...not being affected by what happened in any way. Literally MINUTES before. His lovely little girl begging for her life just minutes before. You’d think anyone would be acting less than normal. But not him. Nothing. There’s nothing inside of him.
What freaks me out is that I always thought of myself as intuitive/being able to read others. I don’t see it in his pictures. I don’t see the soulessness. That is terrifying.

Not to minimize CW's callousness in any way, but googling the Metallica lyrics and taking photo's (he took two) of sunflowers didn't happen within minutes after he disposed of the bodies. He googled the Metallica Lyrics at 10:10 a.m. and took the sunflower photos at 12:16 p.m. The Meta data from the sunflower photos showed 40.195514, -104.344917 | north of l-76 in Roggen: possibly site 10-29.

Sunflowers, PDF pg 1929, Discovery pg 2124
Metallica Lyrics, PDF pg 1927, Discover pg 2122

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

He says in that video that when he walked into the house, he "walked into a ghost town."

Hope that ghost town follows,and haunts him every second of the rest of his life.

 

[Tigerlily75]

Thanks PommyMommy!

Am I right that the idea that the girls were killed at his work site is from a podcast, not from the lawyers on Dr. Phil? I didn't watch the entire Dr. Phil episode that was posted. I just don't believe he took the girls to the work site alive.

Both. The info on Dr Phil came from investigators telling the Rzucek’s what CW told them in the Feb 18 interview.

The info on the podcast came from CW telling his family on the phone, after they basically begged him to tell them before they were blindsided by the media.

CW indeed said they were alive during the drive to the worksite and that he killed them there at Cervi. CeCe first, then Bella begged “Daddy don’t do to me what you did to CeCe!”

Horrifying.

 

[PommyMommy]

Thanks PommyMommy!

Am I right that the idea that the girls were killed at his work site is from a podcast, not from the lawyers on Dr. Phil? I didn't watch the entire Dr. Phil episode that was posted. I just don't believe he took the girls to the work site alive.

The lawyers on the Dr. Phil show and the pod people both reported that the girls were killed at the work site, as told to investigators by CW in the 2/18 interview which will be released Mar 7.
MOO

 

[perfectingpink]

At the end of the show now and they are playing "In the Arms of an Angel" and showing photos of the 3 beautiful girls including ones I have not seen of CeCe and Bella when they were tiny. This really hit me. I hope Chris hurts for what he did.

 

[MsBetsy]

Thanks PommyMommy!

Am I right that the idea that the girls were killed at his work site is from a podcast, not from the lawyers on Dr. Phil? I didn't watch the entire Dr. Phil episode that was posted. I just don't believe he took the girls to the work site alive.

The lawyer did say that Chris said he took them there alive, then smothered Cece with a blanket, after which Bella said something like, "Please do not do to me what you did to Cece."
But I think he said he had not heard the interview himself. Imo

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

As to whether this was perhaps a deposition related to the family's civil wrongful death suit against CW, I don't think so.

It was reported that around 2/13/19, family Attorney Lambert was in contact with CW, and confirmed that CW was not fighting/contesting their civil wrongful death action. In fact, CW never hired an attorney, did not respond to the legal complaint timely, and essentially allowed for a default judgement. Based on this information alone, it's doubtful that there was ever a "deposition."

However, in announcing CW was not fighting the wrongful death action, Attorney Lambert also reported that he was most surprised by CW's cooperation, and his openly answering his questions. He stated he believed that CW had come to accept liability for his criminal actions.

CW relationship with the FBI/CBI/and Frederick PD (the reported interviewers) was tied only to CW's criminal matter (his murder charge and conviction).

Perhaps it was mere coincidence that the multi-agency interview with CW reportedly happened only days later around 2/18/19.

I am curious whether or not SW's family contacted the criminal investigators to request they interview CW given that he was extremely forthcoming with their civil suit attorney. (Or maybe Lambert suggested CW contact investigators).

It's probably irrelevant how it went down, but I believe more than anything, SW's family wanted only one thing from CW and that was for CW to put an end to the ugly, hurtful, speculation that SW killed her children.

MOO

ETA:
Lambert expected a conversation with Watts to be awkward, and possibly even “eerie.” However, when on the phone, Lambert suggested Watts may have come to terms with his new reality, as he answered every question they had openly.

“It wasn’t weird, or anything… He doesn’t seem to be fighting this,” Lambert said. “(Watts is) admitting liability, or giving up things that he might’ve had claim to.”

Lawyers: Shanann Watts’ Parents Lawsuit To Go Uncontested By Chris Watts

Chris Watts not fighting wrongful death lawsuit filed by Shanann Watts’ family

Now that he's away from Mother pushing her agenda, he can finally take a stand,and be a man for once. Take responsibility for his actions. Wonder if Father Watts will follow suit,or continue Bashing Shannan.
Only time will tell.
MOO

 

[Inthedetails]

Yes! I feel like I can see it in others, like Scott Peterson, but not him. Many others have a cockiness and an arrogance to them, CW just seemed awkward. I knew he did it the minute he stepped onto his front porch, but all the social media videos before that day? I would never have guessed in a million years.

I also "knew" he did it from those porch interviews, but I had no idea, none whatsoever, how heinous and COLD the crimes would be. I assumed the murders were done in a fit of anger, a moment of frustration that went violent with one victim and then he killed the other two as cover up. (For the longest time I thought he killed one of the girls because he was frustrated and resentful taking care of them after being alone for so long - that he lashed out at her in anger. Wrong.)

So, I was right about his guilt but SO WRONG about how truly awful he is. That's why I wanted to re-watch those porch interviews today to see if I can spot any of the cold-heartedness in him in hindsight.

jmo

 

[k-mac]

the evidence supports shanann was blindsided.
that girl had magificient FIERCE talons on the end of her fingers.

there was no fight. he didn't loose his temper.
shanann didn't have any broken nails he didn't have any scratches etc

he coolly calmy killed his wife while she was sleeping (imo)....and I believe the same with the kids no matter the order no matter where.

he still is trying to make people see him in the best light.
loosing your temper shows rational to a degree.
coldy eliminating your family to be free with your lover even to chris watts looks top shelf wicked.

I hate it. I hate him still trying to paint a picture of himself and somehow shanann was responsible for her own demise.

 

[TridentBlu]

The lawyer did say that Chris said he took them there alive, then smothered Cece with a blanket, after which Bella said something like, "Please do not do to me what you did to Cece."
But I think he said he had not heard the interview himself. Imo

Thanks. I didn't realize it was from the lawyers, too. That lends a bit more credibility to it for me. I get that he obviously didn't care about them if he was going to murder them. But those girls were used to car seats. Most kids that age aren't going to just sit still in regular seat belts. I suppose if they were very sleepy, they would have just slept on the car ride. But it sounds like Bella was traumatized by what she saw. I'd think they would have been trying to see their mom if SW was there in the truck and they weren't restrained by car seats. The narrative just makes it sound all so calm and orderly, if that makes sense. I guess we'll see the report Thursday.

 

[MassGuy]

The lawyer did say that Chris said he took them there alive, then smothered Cece with a blanket, after which Bella said something like, "Please do not do to me what you did to Cece."
But I think he said he had not heard the interview himself. Imo

Correct. They are getting this information from the Rzucek’s, who have been briefed by law enforcement.

The interview lasted about 5 hours, so we have only heard a small portion of what he allegedly said.

Thursday can’t come soon enough.