Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #64 *ARREST*

[dkryder]

is sleuthing defense lawyers currently acceptable behavior when done within the usual norms? i remember chat around norm pattis roughly 2 years ago was not specifically disallowed if factual and had standard MOO. i'm sure that now that the players are set i'll spend more time reading about the defense team. so if something shows up in some type of legal context is mentioning it with a link ok? it might be an msm article or it might be text of a prior case.

 

[DizzyB]

is sleuthing defense lawyers currently acceptable behavior when done within the usual norms? i remember chat around norm pattis roughly 2 years ago was not specifically disallowed if factual and had standard MOO. i'm sure that now that the players are set i'll spend more time reading about the defense team. so if something shows up in some type of legal context is mentioning it with a link ok? it might be an msm article or it might be text of a prior case.

Barry’s case seems right up their alley. I think he chose wisely, and they will look for any loophole. It just takes one juror.

 

[Fireflize]

is sleuthing defense lawyers currently acceptable behavior when done within the usual norms? i remember chat around norm pattis roughly 2 years ago was not specifically disallowed if factual and had standard MOO. i'm sure that now that the players are set i'll spend more time reading about the defense team. so if something shows up in some type of legal context is mentioning it with a link ok? it might be an msm article or it might be text of a prior case.

I don't know. But I like your question!

 

[GordianKnot]

Barry’s case seems right up their alley. I think he chose wisely, and they will look for any loophole. It just takes one juror.

Based on other cases we've seen recently, those rogue jurors are hard to come by in Colorado.

Colorado juries appear to be a very level-headed bunch.

They understand the difference between "reasonable doubt" and "when pigs fly."

JMO.

 

[Murphy1950]

I understand the thinking that the pen can't be BM's because he would have gotten rid of it right away...but, he was busy cleaning the house and moving a body....combined with the fact that the house was locked down and sealed by LE rather quickly, followed by a second time...and overall for a lengthy amount of time. No way BM could tie up all of the loose ends....and he obviously didn't, imo.

I'm sure I'd need a "to do" list to pull off a crime, especially a murder. Then, RATS, where did I leave that list? Something as simple as a pill organizer could point to a date.
No idea of who owns the sky pen but it's possible it could be another "planted" piece like the bike. After all, it is supposedly Suzanne talking with another man.

 

[Momofthreeboys]

Ok, so I have a question for anyone who has more knowledge of the legal system. Specifically when charging someone with a crime. This is literally going to sound insane so don’t laugh. It has been bugging me and I need clarification. Here goes… so we know there are DV charges. And we now know of a spy pen and perhaps a journal. This is hypothetical, but what IF SM wanted to disappear herself? And that her daughters knew. That would explain why there were no pleas or searches or actually anything from them. My question is this, since we know nothing of any evidence found, how concrete (oh god, for lack of a better example,) does the evidence have to be to charge Murder 1??? Pretty solid right?? Let me just say I know this scenario is not true, but what they have must be incredibly incriminating right? TIA and JMO

I think that concerns a few, myself included. But we just have to wait and see what the prosecution actually has for evidence that is irrefutable. I have many questions in my head but will just be patient. If the prosecution doesn’t have the goods the case will be dismissed…most likely without prejudice and the prosecution can gather more evidence and try again …that is what proof positive, presumption great is all about. If the prosecution makes it through that then we can all settle in for the trial.

 

[Error505]

Any speculation on whether TN, CC or the bike shop owner will be key witnesses for the prosecution? I say yes.

My opinion on witnesses for prosecution = CC, MM, MG, GD, SM’s BFF, FBI Agents, CBI agents, 1 BM former GirlFriend, Maybe 1 Daughter
MOO

 

[TKG]

My opinion on witnesses for prosecution = CC, MM, MG, GD, SM’s BFF, FBI Agents, CBI agents, 1 BM former GirlFriend, Maybe 1 Daughter
MOO

Here's my list in order:
SO-BFF
CC-Employee and "good" friend
MG- Employee
S-GF
GD
MM1
MM1&2
JR-Neighbor

 

[Momofthreeboys]

Here's my list in order:
SO-BFF
CC-Employee and "good" friend
MG- Employee
S-GF
GD
MM1
MM1&2
JR-Neighbor

If so it would be interesting and alittle sad in my opinion if the judge barred the sister and daughters from the courtroom. It is at the judges discretion whether to allow witnesses to watch the proceedings. I am thinking maybe not the M,M, and M. They have the text message as evidence and the other Ms…hmmm.

 

[Scootie98]

If so it would be interesting and alittle sad in my opinion if the judge barred the sister and daughters from the courtroom. It is at the judges discretion whether to allow witnesses to watch the proceedings. I am thinking maybe not the M,M, and M. They have the text message as evidence and the other Ms…hmmm.

speculating..but I think MM would need to testify....because, she said she deleted the texts at some point, if my memory is right. So the validity of those texts will need to be verified....so I think she will be called. I think there will be an FBI agent, who interviewed Barry. I think MG is certainly going to testify...as she was with BM at or around the 24 hour period cited in the indictment.....add Puckett to that list too. I am looking for that flipped witness...someone who initially was close to Barry....but quickly changed when the evidence was dropped in their lap....won't speculate on who that is....though I have some thoughts on it.

 

[TKG]

speculating..but I think MM would need to testify....because, she said she deleted the texts at some point, if my memory is right. So the validity of those texts will need to be verified....so I think she will be called. I think there will be an FBI agent, who interviewed Barry. I think MG is certainly going to testify...as she was with BM at or around the 24 hour period cited in the indictment.....add Puckett to that list too. I am looking for that flipped witness...someone who initially was close to Barry....but quickly changed when the evidence was dropped in their lap....won't speculate on who that is....though I have some thoughts on it.

They were able to retrieve the text message but I agree, she will still need to testify. My list did not include any LE agency involved. My guess is that the older daughter will be asked and the judge may exclude the younger, but she will be an adult by the time they get to her....

 

[Momofthreeboys]

I still don’t know what evidence they are basing their case on to guess on prosecution witnesses. I would say MG has high probability. The sister I could go either way. I think she was genuinely surprised when the focus became Barry. And any witness is open to cross examination. But yes, perhaps she is needed to verify something in the text message. Maybe the man in the pen unless it is more exculpatory or opens the someone else thinking in which case the pen would not be used so the man wouldn’t be needed. Tough call when you don’t know the evidence they have and we don’t know what 404B will be admissible.

 

[DizzyB]

I assume that we will not be able to view the trial. I wish I was able to watch Melinda Moorman on the stand. I was so impressed by her demeanor and her ability to answer questions so eloquently while choosing her words to keep the integrity of the case. She will be a voice for Suzanne, and I think the defense will be unable to shake her.

 

[susiQ]

I assume that we will not be able to view the trial. I wish I was able to watch Melinda Moorman on the stand. I was so impressed by her demeanor and her ability to answer questions so eloquently while choosing her words to keep the integrity of the case. She will be a voice for Suzanne, and I think the defense will be unable to shake her.

I think it would be moronic for the defence to even try. JMO

 

[gitana1]

Hey my friend @gitana1 it’s the admissibility of the spy pen !!

It depends on a lot of factors. And we don’t know those factors.

How did LE get it? (Foundation issues) What are they producing it to show? (Relevance issues, possible hearsay issues, etc.) Does it have any useable media or is it just the existence of the pen that’s important?

Regardless, I do not believe the entire case hinges on the pen. LE took their time and I’m confident they have a strong case.

 

[al66pine]

Did BM's plant spy pen ---?
--- in house to monitor Suzanne's phone calls while he was away?
I've read the posts debating who pen belonged to but not focusing on that.

If in theory, BM wanted to hear many or all SM's phone calls while he was away, in practice it may have failed on one major point.
Seems spy pen* gen'ly would sit at a fixed place only, in their two level PP, 3256 sq ft house.
Would a spy pen pick up convo's from all over the house? For ex., would pen in kitchen pick up SM from upstairs bedroom, talking on landline portable handset & roaming around house? Or if SM had a burner/pre-pay cell, same thing?

OTOH, if pen was SM's, she could record for her selected convo's. my2ct.

* Iiuc no bluetooth in spy pen (at consumer grade/tech level) would be integrated into PP house landline circuitry(?) or phone's handsets/bases. Pls forgive my clumsy terminology & that presumption, if flawed.

 

[Momofthreeboys]

I think it would be moronic for the defence to even try. JMO

Why do you think that? Are you saying the defense should not cross examine the sister if she takes the stand? I can’t imagine why they wouldn’t so wondering about your comment.

 

[susiQ]

Why do you think that? Are you saying the defense should not cross examine the sister if she takes the stand? I can’t imagine why they wouldn’t so wondering about your comment.

I was responding to @DizzyB ‘s comment “She will be a voice for Suzanne, and I think the defense will be unable to shake her.” I think it would be a mistake to “go after” Melinda on the stand and to try and “shake her down” so-to-speak. As Dizzy said, MM is Suzanne’s voice, as she was in close communication with Suzanne one day before she went missing, at which time SM revealed things very close to her heart, which likely have a lot to do with why Barry murdered her. To go at MM too strongly may very well be perceived as going after Suzanne as well. Not a good look given Suzanne’s beautiful nature which has been attested to by a plethora of family and friends. And, might I add, MM’s lovely demeanour during interviews, thoughtful and well spoken, despite the fact that Barry murdered her sister.

I’ll reiterate, I think it would be moronic to attempt to make MM out to be untruthful. JMHO

 

[DizzyB]

Why do you think that? Are you saying the defense should not cross examine the sister if she takes the stand? I can’t imagine why they wouldn’t so wondering about your comment.

My take on the cross examination of Melinda: she is a grieving sister, who never disparaged Barry in the past, and barely did so even now. She believes in forgiveness. To go at her heavy handed, or appear to be argumentative with her, or attack her in any way, could really turn a jury. She is a sympathetic figure who has no reason to lie. To question her aggressively would not be a good idea.

 

[JosieMae]

I'm the one who feels BM began a murder plot after Suzanne inherited the $600k.

I agree.

And after Suzanne got the word that her cancer was responding to treatment.

MOO.