Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #79 *ARREST*

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  • #701
I thought I heard he reached into the trashcan to retrieve a receipt to write the note on...you know "blue helmut....bike, etc..."...but that he was seen at the dumpster doing ___? Maybe some detail types can help with this one.
Or maybe that was trash dump #6, and he got caught.
 
  • #702
Of course but it's the prosecution that opens the door here in controlling what the defense can follow up -- especially since their client BM claims he did not know about JL.
Unless from all the discovery the defense knows that Suzanne never told JL anything negative about Barry and he gets called to confirm that Suzanne never said anything specific about fearing for her life with Barry. I can't leap to any conclusions about what Suzanne might or might not have said to her friends and JL about her marriage and I don't recall if any specifics came out in the preliminary.
 
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  • #703
So many details were briefly touched on in the PH, but hours were spent on the JL affair. As long as Barry is held for trial, I will assume that the state chose not to present the meat of their case during the PH.
I have to keep going back to the facts. Barry arrived home at 2:44. Barry said that he and Suzanne were together until 5 am the next morning. Suzanne was not active on any social media platform, did not make a call, send a text, or was seen again after Barry got home. I want to see her patterns-how many times a day did she normally engage? Was there ever a time in her life where she was off the grid for that period of time-ever? Did Barry ever share a steak with anyone? If Barry and Suzanne had the most perfect drug free night, why did he run off at 5am to Broomfield to watch television? Why didn’t he wait till the afternoon and spend the day at home as planned? Did he tell MG that JP could have his room, when he called her at 11 am and changed it all? Why did he leave the bobcat home, when it was necessary? If Suzanne always drove her RR to her biking location, did Barry ask neighbor JR to look for her car? Where is Suzanne’s teal biking jacket?
They shared a steak? Somehow, I get the impression that Barry likes his steak rare....and I doubt that Suzanne would be fond of rare steaks... just a contradiction I am speculating about...his daughters would know if the sharing story is true or not.
 
  • #704
If BOTH the boots and their laces were present when SM was killed (or some of her bodily fluids got on them during the chase before she was killed, if for example, she vomited), then I could see BM wanting to dispose of them separately. He could clean the boots and perhaps did in the hotel room. Shoelaces, being fabric, would be harder to clean, and more likely to retain BM's DNA. So, separating the boots from the laces decreased the likelihood that investigators would have all the pieces necessary to tie SM to BM at the time of her death or shortly beforehand. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he burned the laces as they would present the greatest opportunity to detect both BM's DNA and SM's bodily fluids (or cadaverine) associated with her death.
Thank you for this explanation. I think BM would absolutely use his shoe laces to hog tie her so he could easily move her because I think hog tying her would also be another way to humiliate her for him. I think that is why the laces were removed in the first place.
 
  • #705
On that note, I just checked my iCloud (held jointly with my husband) and no, he can't see my actual messages. However, on our joint phone account, we can both see how many minutes each of us talked on the phone each month. Me: 22 minutes. Him: 5 minutes. For last month.

If I had a 300 minute conversation with someone, in addition to my regular (short) communications, it would be noticeable to a would-be spy. Texts, though, go unrecorded.

I can see all of the contacts in my husband's phone and, of course, its location (he'd have to disabled Find My Phone for me to not see it, even with airplane mode). I wonder if LE has all those forensics - they'd need an expert to explain it, not just an ordinary phone-grabbing LE officer. No offense to the officers who compile all this, was making a joke.
RSBM
My daughter’s iPhone is under my account. My husband has a cell phone through work so it’s just our two cell phones under my name. I think we got her a cell phone when she was about 12 yo so she was a minor and although we have both gotten new phones over the years, the phone numbers and account has remained the same. I don’t think the iCloud was even a thing back then but when we created our iCloud we just shared it and there is only one password and one debit card attached to it. Both of our photo and music collections are on our shared iCloud and it is actually becoming a big problem now that she is older and in college because all of her schoolwork and sorority stuff is intertwined with my stuff. She has so much more on the iCloud than I do and if I ever need to find anything or if I get a new phone and want to download my stuff it is going to be a pain in the drain and very time consuming to separate it all at this point. I actually still have an older iPhone 8 Plus even though I need a new phone because of this problem. I will have to create a separate iCloud and figure out how to transfer all my stuff over.

Anyway finally let me get to the point of all this…if I wanted to I could read all her texts and emails & she could read mine. I can open any of her apps. Of course I don’t “spy” on her (well unless Life360 counts because I still use that and can see where she is but that’s a safety thing) but I definitely have that capability as does she to “spy” on me. That would be pretty boring though. :p And for some reason that AT&T cannot even figure out, when she receives a FaceTime call it also rings on my phone! So if my husband and I had this same set up, he could easily read my texts & emails and get into my apps. So perhaps Barry paid the cell phone bill and Suzanne’s and the daughters’ phones were on the same account. The daughter’s may have created their own iCloud but Suzanne is my age and she may not be as tech savvy or like me just didn’t think to do that. If they were sharing the same iCloud maybe she didn’t realize he could spy on her activity. She might have password protected the apps she used to communicate with JL thinking they were safe from Barry but even passwords that are stored on your cell phone can be accessed in this way. If I forget a pw and it isn’t saved I can pull up my stored passwords on my iPhone and my daughter’s passwords also come up on the same list mixed right in with mine.

I just have a gut feeling he was spying on her phone and laptop activity somehow. If they didnt have iPhones or didn’t share the iCloud then maybe he installed spyware on her phone. But I suspect he had a way to read those texts between Suzanne and JL before he got home on May 9th. I do think he knew about the affair but the affair had ramped up at the end with talk of Suzanne becoming JL’s wife and sexy flirting & photos etc. Then Suzanne told Barry on May 6th she was done. Only 3 days before her death! Suzanne wanted a divorce…she was entitled to her half of the money and maybe all of the inheritance from her mother. She wanted to purchase her own home and move out. She was texting JL and telling him she loved him. She sent him a beautiful photo of herself in a bikini. If Barry saw that he would be enraged. That’s HIS wife showing her body to another man. He was not going to allow HIS wife to be with another man. No one leaves Barry right?! No way he was letting her leave him and take her MONEY with her. I believe in addition to his ego and possessiveness that money was also a huge factor in this murder. He was envisioning his financial future and it wasn’t good. His lifestyle would be taking a big nose dive if he had to split everything with Suzanne. And we still don’t know what debt or other shenanigans Barry was up to “for years” with their money that Suzanne didn’t even know about but would have come to light in a divorce.

I think all this rage was building up in Barry and it probably started with him fantasizing about killing her and then it morphed into actual premeditation but it was not fully planned out yet and then that day Barry finally just snapped. He may have already decided how he would kill her and how he would get rid of her body but I don’t think Barry had an actual solid alibi planned for that day or weekend which explains the poorly executed Broomfield job fiasco. MOO

Edit to add @10ofRods I’m not sure why your husband cannot read your texts and I can read my daughters. Maybe it’s because we already shared an account and password. I’m curious if others that share an iCloud can get into one another’s stuff or are we an exception??
 
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  • #706
Thank you for this explanation. I think BM would absolutely use his shoe laces to hog tie her so he could easily move her because I think hog tying her would also be another way to humiliate her for him. I think that is why the laces were removed in the first place.
Oh my....that is quite the imagination at work.
 
  • #707
Thank you for this explanation. I think BM would absolutely use his shoe laces to hog tie her so he could easily move her because I think hog tying her would also be another way to humiliate her for him. I think that is why the laces were removed in the first place.
If BM did indeed remove the laces as he claimed, was he able to produce them?? That is the question!
 
  • #708
From the tweets by reporters covering the PH, it seemed that there was a recording of FBI interviewing JL in evidence, and the defense attempted to play the interview during the hearing but had technical difficulties. Other than confirming SM was having an extramarital affair, I agree that JL himself will not play a big role in prosecuting BM. We already saw how the defense wasted an entire day of the preliminary attacking SM's character when JL was introduced, I don't see the defense given another opportunity to repeat this. MOO
Oh, I don't know about that. I think most of the reason the defense harped on the affair (and will likely again) is to prove that Suzanne was a liar - by omission. She had an emotional and eventual physical affair - which by definition means a secretive tryst. It's been said that she didn't tell her bff or sister about this affair.
When texts to SO re DA were going to be introduced (which the defense had anticipated, of course), they immediately objected calling Suzanne a LIAR. What else do they have but to try to paint her as a lying, cheating spouse. Why should SHE be believed. I believe Suzanne finally woke up and shared much more that would point to financial motive. Definitely can't have that.
I'll bet, at this point, 2nd degree is the best they're hoping for. Some might even find his murdering Suzanne justifiable homicide (as crazy as that is).
'Flew into a rage. What husband wouldn't, right? Let's forget about all the rest, after all, he's a great guy ("I LOVE YOU SUZANNE!" - from his texts) and SM can't be trusted to tell the truth.
She was lying about abuse/financial issues while trying to justify her affair that she told no one about' ~ the defense. :rolleyes:

ETA: IMO
 
  • #709
that dumpster diving is interesting....did Barry just look in the dumpster...moving crap around with his hand? was he wearing gloves? Did he get inside the dumpster? I am trying to discern the level of desperation or determination that Barry may have demonstrated. Hopefully, the store manager who saw him described exactly what he saw Barry doing at the dumpster.
The store was closed but several employees were still inside and saw him going through the trash can. When he realized they saw him he went into cover his *** mode and knocked on the door and started asking them if they had seen Suzanne. That’s where he scribbled for them on a small piece of paper: “Bike clothes, baby blue bike helmet” which we debated on whether he meant the bike was blue (which it turns out it was) or the helmet was blue (it was teal) but I don’t think either was baby blue. Barry might have thought teal blue was the same as baby blue? Anyway the note did not include any physical characteristics of Suzanne.

I don’t know if he appeared frantic but he was going through the garbage can in front of the store so he was looking for something. If it was her phone he must have already smashed it or disabled it in some way so I was wondering why he would want to retrieve it? Was he afraid LE would search that trash can and finding her phone there didn’t fit with the abduction theory he hoped would take hold. Or was he afraid his prints might be on it and no abductor prints or DNA? Or did he want to place her phone somewhere it could be found like the helmet? I hope we will eventually get an answer to the Poncha Market trash can mystery. It’s one of many little pieces of the puzzle that are driving me nuts trying to make it fit!
 
  • #710
I think the ship may have sailed on Suzanne’s honesty, due to the fact that she never told anyone the truth about her affair. As a result, I have shifted my focus off of what she told SO and MM. A jury may believe she was trying to portray Barry as the bad guy, when he was not. Once again, this is about how the facts play to the jury. Barry says he left a sleeping Suzanne at 5 am May 10. I want the facts that start with his 2:44 arrival at home on May 9, and Suzanne disappearing after that. Barry didn’t come home to an empty house. Barry placed her at home, but she never ever communicated with a soul again.
 
  • #711
Random thought with talk if SM was wearing a Apple Watch.

Apparently series 4 or later has fall detection. Thought this was interesting in general. IMO

Use fall detection with Apple Watch
 
  • #712
Oh my....that is quite the imagination at work.
He definitely took them out for some reason while making numerous trash dumps. Do you believe he wanted to save them for a new pair of boots that come with new laces? What was wrong with the boots? I doubt they had holes in the soles, but even if they had why not use the dumpster by the pp home?
He did an awful lot of running around ditching 'garbage' when he was 'supposed' to be working to get the 'job' ready for his workers' impending arrival - which he didn't and didn't even supply the equipment/tools/bobcat for.
At that point, nothing was wrong at the Morphew home. He kissed Suzanne goodbye.
When something doesn't make sense, there's a reason. In a murder case, there's usually a very good reason even if it seems unimportant taken alone.
 
  • #713
Oh, I don't know about that. I think most of the reason the defense harped on the affair (and will likely again) is to prove that Suzanne was a liar - by omission. She had an emotional and eventual physical affair - which by definition means a secretive tryst. It's been said that she didn't tell her bff or sister about this affair.
When texts to SO re DA were going to be introduced (which the defense had anticipated, of course), they immediately objected calling Suzanne a LIAR. What else do they have but to try to paint her as a lying, cheating spouse. Why should SHE be believed. I believe Suzanne finally woke up and shared much more that would point to financial motive. Definitely can't have that.
I'll bet, at this point, 2nd degree is the best they're hoping for. Some might even find his murdering Suzanne justifiable homicide (as crazy as that is).
'Flew into a rage. What husband wouldn't, right? Let's forget about all the rest, after all, he's a great guy ("I LOVE YOU SUZANNE!" - from his texts) and SM can't be trusted to tell the truth.
She was lying about abuse/financial issues while trying to justify her affair that she told no one about' ~ the defense. :rolleyes:

ETA: IMO
BBM
BM claims he didn’t know about the affair, so how can people (potentially jurors) construe it as justifiable homicide? Secondly, BM claims he’s innocent, didn’t murder his wife, the CAT got her….or, she got in the river, or she was abducted, or……

They can attempt to paint Suzanne as a liar, but anyone with a functioning brain can see who the real liar is. As well, anyone who responds “I don’t recall,” 90 + times is definitely a prolific liar! All MOO.
 
  • #714
Random thought with talk if SM was wearing a Apple Watch.

Apparently series 4 or later has fall detection. Thought this was interesting in general. IMO

Use fall detection with Apple Watch
I wondered about an Apple Watch too, but since I hadn’t seen it mentioned anywhere I figured she was not wearing one.
 
  • #715
that dumpster diving is interesting....did Barry just look in the dumpster...moving crap around with his hand? was he wearing gloves? Did he get inside the dumpster? I am trying to discern the level of desperation or determination that Barry may have demonstrated. Hopefully, the store manager who saw him described exactly what he saw Barry doing at the dumpster.

It was never reported as a dumpster. It was the trash can in front of the store. They had just closed up when the younger employee looked out the front window and saw someone rummaging in the trash right by the door (I can't remember which of the approved youtube sources show the store and the trash, but it should be on the media thread). I also can no longer recall if they recognized Barry right away, but they opened the doors and asked what was up and he said his wife was missing and wrote the infamous Baby Blue Helmet note (I believe he wrote it on a piece of paper from the trash, IIRC). Very early on, someone interviewed the store owner (I think it was Lauren).

The store manager is a woman, the young man saw him first (and I believe he said that the trash area was his duty, so he paid attention). Nothing about a dumpster.
 
  • #716
Here you go:

Lauren Scharf@LaurenScharfTV

Libler didn’t believe that Barry Morphew knew about him. "If he knew about me, he would have came after me. I just don’t think he knew that Suzanne and I were together."

3:44 PM · Aug 9, 2021

I think Libler is a fool, frankly. Naïve, thinks he's living in a Netflix series about older people having romantic flings. He doesn't even know Barry that well, but wants to claim that Barry would come after him first (driving all the way to Michigan - yeah, that's believable...not).

JL seems not to be aware of Barry's caginess or intense need for control at all (but I think he's lying just to make himself look better).
 
  • #717
It was never reported as a dumpster. It was the trash can in front of the store. They had just closed up when the younger employee looked out the front window and saw someone rummaging in the trash right by the door (I can't remember which of the approved youtube sources show the store and the trash, but it should be on the media thread). I also can no longer recall if they recognized Barry right away, but they opened the doors and asked what was up and he said his wife was missing and wrote the infamous Baby Blue Helmet note (I believe he wrote it on a piece of paper from the trash, IIRC). Very early on, someone interviewed the store owner (I think it was Lauren).

The store manager is a woman, the young man saw him first (and I believe he said that the trash area was his duty, so he paid attention). Nothing about a dumpster.
that clears it up for me...thanks. So many details over an extended period of time...
 
  • #718
I think the ship may have sailed on Suzanne’s honesty, due to the fact that she never told anyone the truth about her affair. As a result, I have shifted my focus off of what she told SO and MM. A jury may believe she was trying to portray Barry as the bad guy, when he was not. Once again, this is about how the facts play to the jury. Barry says he left a sleeping Suzanne at 5 am May 10. I want the facts that start with his 2:44 arrival at home on May 9, and Suzanne disappearing after that. Barry didn’t come home to an empty house. Barry placed her at home, but she never ever communicated with a soul again.
The only thing, as far as we know, the defence can prove Suzanne lied about (and that only by omission) was not telling anyone about her relationship with JL. I have no doubt the prosecution can and will prove just how many times BM has lied during the last 16 months. I would be extremely surprised if the defence could produce even one witness to show that Suzanne was a habitual, prolific liar. That dubious honour is reserved for BM. MOO
 
  • #719
Good question!

I wonder if JL knew Suzanne recorded their talks on her spy pen prior to being questioned by the FBI. Nov 10 CCSO requested anyone who may have communicated with Suzanne via various apps to please contact them. Nov is also when CCSO discovered the affair and questioned JL. Previously in May JL deleted everything on his phone, then that phone ends up destroyed. I guess at that point he thought LE would ever find out. Except for Suzanne's pen and Linkedin keeping his nude photos. :eek:

Suzanne Morphew case remains a priority to the Chaffee County Sheriff’s Office - Chaffee County Sheriff

"In one aspect of the case, the task force continues to focus on Suzanne Morphew’s social media presence as part of the investigation. Investigators say Suzanne kept in touch with friends she loved dearly. They also believe that sometimes in these types of cases that people don’t come forward with information for concern that they may get someone in trouble. To those who may be fearful to come forward, they can reach out anonymously. Once investigators know your concerns, they can address them."

Ashley Franco
@AshleyKKTV

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Aug 9

Eytan says #SuzanneMorphew was creating secret accounts and says the secret spy pen lead to her secret affair. She says investigators called Jeff in Nov 2020. She says Jeff never came forward about Suzanne, claims his phone was destroyed that had conversations with her

Russell Haythorn
@RussellHaythorn

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Aug 9

Defense: By April 2020, Suzanne Morphew and Jeff Libler were sending nude photographs to each other, telling each other they wanted to get married. One day before Suzanne disappeared she told Libler they needed to be husband and wife.
 
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