CO - Tim Watkins, 61, shot to death, Mount Herman, 14 Sept 2017 #1

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http://denver.cbslocal.com/2017/09/19/bicycle-shot-death-mount-herman-road/

Oh my goodness!! While I was offsite waiting for VT to not download, I'm astounded to come back and see so many sleuthers working on my Map problems. See, you guys can do anything you put your minds to! Thanks to all of you! <now where's that icon of a smiling foxbluff>

Reacher, this is definitely the map that haven't been able to find...I'm even remembering that it was commented that subject map had been provided by CBS news.

I'm looking forward to printing out a copy and comparing it to the biker remarks. :happydance:
 
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Hopefully with his priors and current the judge will protect society. I sure as heck don't want anyone like him hanging around my kids school! And with a weapon to boot! Do you recall what the weapon was?
All the arrest warrants are sealed so no I didn't see that. I am assuming it was KN's .22 . It's probably way back in the Delphi threads somewhere.
Moo cow.
 
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Oh my goodness!! While I was offsite waiting for VT to not download, I'm astounded to come back and see so many sleuthers working on my Map problems. See, you guys can do anything you put your minds to! Thanks to all of you! <now where's that icon of a smiling foxbluff>

Reacher, this is definitely the map that haven't been able to find...I'm even remembering that it was commented that subject map had been provided by CBS news.

I'm looking forward to printing out a copy and comparing it to the biker remarks. :happydance:

Warning

Do not get too excited if you haven't seen it yet.

:laughing:
 
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lol :drumroll:
 
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yup. And apparently they are withholding it. Makes me wonder what else is in that report other than multiple gunshots. Why else would they withhold it?
Considering they have already publicly stated the COD I agree it is intriguing that the autopsy would be sealed. I wonder if there is another case currently being investigated in CO in which the autopsy is open?
 
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Warning

Do not get too excited if you haven't seen it yet.

:laughing:

I see what you mean! However, it's of great value to me as I can now stop searching for it.. whew...

I printed out a copy of it as I still want to compare it to the biker comments which I also printed.

O/T to Shires - now about those letters you can't decipher. I was going to suggest you sleep on it or do a google with "-Wales" added. However, given you were one of those who worked on my map prob, I've decided to let you know that I simply typed some random, misc. letters into my post. Your pointing out that most of them actually meant something came as a major surprise to me! :facepalm:
 
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I see what you mean! However, it's of great value to me as I can now stop searching for it.. whew...

I printed out a copy of it as I still want to compare it to the biker comments which I also printed.

O/T to Shires - now about those letters you can't decipher. I was going to suggest you sleep on it or do a google with "-Wales" added. However, given you were one of those who worked on my map prob, I've decided to let you know that I simply typed some random, misc. letters into my post. Your pointing out that most of them actually meant something came as a major surprise to me! :facepalm:
OT
I thought you might have meant urvw i/o uovw then it could have meant something but still have been jibberish.

Still it's not unknown for posters to talk jibberish on here. :laughcry:

OT
 
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He lived in Monument and set off on his bike from home from what I have read. The trail map I recently posted for Ocgrad may help.
I want to amend this. I originally put Palmer Lake which was correct, then changed it to Monument after reading an article. Since then everything I have read says TW lived in Palmer Lake. Sorry for the misinformation. If he set off from Palmer Lake, I wonder if he would do the loop anti clockwise I.e. Limbaugh Canyon first then the trail with Mt Herman road last or the other way ending with Limbaugh? I cannot believe the murder happened on Mt Herman Rd as I cannot see the murderer taking the body to the canyon afterwards. I think it could only happen at the canyon area and then the murderer taking/riding TW's bike back to the Mt Herman road area to leave it. The pic of Tim on the bike shows him with cycling gloves on. I wonder if he wore gloves that day and still had them on or whether the killer took the gloves along with the bike to avoid leaving fingerprints? There is so little info about this murder that I wonder if they already know who committed it?

AJMO.
 
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Considering they have already publicly stated the COD I agree it is intriguing that the autopsy would be sealed. I wonder if there is another case currently being investigated in CO in which the autopsy is open?

good one.
 
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Happy New Years Homies!!!!!!!!
 
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foxbluff, this link is to a map I posted earlier, with a description and virtual tour (short) of Limbaugh trail. If you zoom in it shows Mt Herman Rd and where Mt Herman Rd and Red Rocks Dr intersect. We don't know the precise locations of where the shoe was found in the road, where the bike was found, nor where TW's body was found, but all were in this area somewhere.

https://www.trailrunproject.com/trail/7006923
This wouldn't work for me. I am on a phone (S3 mini) so that could be the reason.
 
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Okay, thank you, have you shared these photos as I have seen the mugshots from FL and have not seen any pic's Of EL, from CO., all I have seen is, the obit and the numerous news articles that is the extent!
Cathdawg - I sent you a PM as I was unsure about sharing FB pix.
 
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I want to amend this. I originally put Palmer Lake which was correct, then changed it to Monument after reading an article. Since then everything I have read says TW lived in Palmer Lake. Sorry for the misinformation. If he set off from Palmer Lake, I wonder if he would do the loop anti clockwise I.e. Limbaugh Canyon first then the trail with Mt Herman road last or the other way ending with Limbaugh? I cannot believe the murder happened on Mt Herman Rd as I cannot see the murderer taking the body to the canyon afterwards. I think it could only happen at the canyon area and then the murderer taking/riding TW's bike back to the Mt Herman road area to leave it. The pic of Tim on the bike shows him with cycling gloves on. I wonder if he wore gloves that day and still had them on or whether the killer took the gloves along with the bike to avoid leaving fingerprints? There is so little info about this murder that I wonder if they already know who committed it?

AJMO.
I thought about this scenario also, that the killer may have actually rode the bike out. It was said that TW was wearing a camelback and yellow jacket. But no mention of backpack or anything the killer may have stolen. I have not read if he was found with his other shoe. If not, then we could figure the killer stole his shoes but dropped one. Maybe it was a crazy attempt to make people look in the wrong area for his body. I believe I read that TW's wallet was not taken. The shoe is really a puzzle.
You are right, they are not asking for tips or appealing to the public for information. But they reduced DN bond during the course of the investigation. Were they hoping he would relax or even make bond so they could get more information?
 
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I just sent you a fairly lengthy response BUT I am not sure you got it! I am so disappointed, I hope you got it! Please let me know! Thanks
 
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http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Delphi-13-Feb-2017-75&p=13760583#post13760583

This is the link to the post by kizzy that references a school. We can check if that gets dropped or not in this coming week. I'm amazed I found this with Google.

So, he was booked 11-02-17 for this. He was already in jail. Would this be some of the other charges they said early on they might add? Also, it doesn't show an offense date so we don't know when it happened. That would be interesting to find out. I wonder if and when he displayed a weapon to someone but they didn't know who to say did it until his picture was shown on the news. I'll bet it was the gun too.
 
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I just sent you a fairly lengthy response BUT I am not sure you got it! I am so disappointed, I hope you got it! Please let me know! Thanks
Got it!
 
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Considering they have already publicly stated the COD I agree it is intriguing that the autopsy would be sealed. I wonder if there is another case currently being investigated in CO in which the autopsy is open?

Sorry I've been out.

I knew TW as a work acquaintance and respected him greatly for his accomplishments and what he meant to the "tribe" if you will of trail riders in the Mt Herman area. I wasn't able to help with the search as I was preoccupied with my own family crisis that weekend but was listening when they found his body and I do know things from what I heard that I have kept to myself. With that said I do believe there are some safe assumptions we can make.

A sealed autopsy indicates to me that there were other injuries the SO doesn't want to release yet. So I think it is safe to assume that TW had some type of trauma which occurred before he was shot. Where his body was found rules out being hit by a vehicle. That really only leaves some type of assault.

My personal belief is that the type of trauma TW was found with that is the first tie to Delphi. If TW's autopsy records remain sealed even after the plea bargain then we can probably assume that is the case. The El Paso County sheriff is not going to release anything that could jeopardize the Delphi investigation.

Here's what we do know. We know for a fact that both DN and KN, and their vehicle with Indiana plates, were identified in several attempted assault complaints in the Mt Herman area involving a hatchet. One was during the run-in with the other vehicle on Mt Herman Rd and the other I believe is a failed robbery on Red Rocks Dr or perhaps chasing other bicyclist with a hatchet. The 2 I was able to find were Aug 23rd and 24th.

KN interview.
"That was Daniel's only aggressive interaction on Mount Herman Road that Katelyn said she witnessed or was aware of, though police said in his arrest records that a man and woman resembling Daniel and Katelyn Nations were involved in menacing complaints in the area on Aug. 23 and 24."

I found this also.;
"The El Paso County Sheriff's Office announces arrest charges against Daniel Nations on suspicion of attempted trespassing into a vehicle, attempted assault and criminal mischief stemming from a Sept. 9 event, according to court records. Explaining documents are sealed." Sorry I don't have links right now.

I also recall seeing a news report, that was later deleted, indicating hatchet man chased some kids a few days after TW's body was found, near where TW's body was found. I could have read this wrong when I saw it or maybe it was reported incorrectly.

The other potential ties that I can think of is that the body was found half covered in leaves and sticks.

And don't forget that DN was seen repeatedly driving past the searchers on Mt Herman road, returning to the crime scene, similar to how he was arrested for sexual assault in 2010.

So what we have is TW was possibly assaulted, murdered, then robbed, or made to look like a robbery. Here's the problem with this being a robbery.... no homeless local is going to try and steal a bike like TW rode. They know better. It would be an immediate bust the second they walked into a pawn shop.

Which leaves us what? rage, anger as a motive? wouldn't that be consistent with what we know about DN?

The reason I started this thread is that I believe the El Paso County DA is making a huge mistake by even considering a plea deal for DN.

Number one, I've made no secret that I believe KN is involved. At the very least she knows more than what she is saying. Why she is not in jail is beyond me.

Number two, it is my personal belief that the El Paso County DA was going to charge DN with the murder of TW several months back but chose not to, at least publicly, for unknown reasons. I believe behind closed doors there have been discussion taking place which would allow DN to plead guilty to a manslaughter charge, instead of taking him to court with a first degree murder charge. It makes me sick to my stomach to even think about.

The way every little thing in this case has been swept off the record stinks. Our community knows less about how TW died than Delphi knows about the girls. I can only hope my suspicions are proven wrong on Jan 4th.
 
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