CO - Tim Watkins, 61, shot to death, Mount Herman, 14 Sept 2017 #2

[ocgrad]

RSBM

I respect your opinion and don't disagree with any of this re: outdoor growing. My thoughts on it are that DN, not being a CO native, wouldn't necessarily know these things in advance. Maybe he'd just bury some seeds in the dirt in different places (that he thought were out of the way) and hope for small patch(es) of success. Not even necessarily for quick cash, could've been for his own use, since weed costs $ and they were broke. The only reason I even look at that angle is because we know how he liked his weed and because of the hatchet threats and chasing down kids and adults, which strikes me as aggressively territorial, guarding type behavior. OTOH, he did have an escalating crime spree going in CO, maybe IF he did commit any of these murders the menacing was because he was coming completely unhinged. Just my humble .02.

This exactly describes what i think about the possibility him having plants.

 

[FindHG]

RSBM

I respect your opinion and don't disagree with any of this re: outdoor growing. My thoughts on it are that DN, not being a CO native, wouldn't necessarily know these things in advance. Maybe he'd just bury some seeds in the dirt in different places (that he thought were out of the way) and hope for small patch(es) of success. Not even necessarily for quick cash, could've been for his own use, since weed costs $ and they were broke. The only reason I even look at that angle is because we know how he liked his weed and because of the hatchet threats and chasing down kids and adults, which strikes me as aggressively territorial, guarding type behavior. OTOH, he did have an escalating crime spree going in CO, maybe IF he did commit any of these murders the menacing was because he was coming completely unhinged. Just my humble .02.

With all due respect, whatever that's worth, this and much else above sounds highly speculative to the tenth degree, and pretty much for it's own sake to keep the thread active and innuendo. DN looks nothing like the BG.

I've forwarded Tricia my best guesses.

 

[kizzykat]

With all due respect, whatever that's worth, this and much else above sounds highly speculative to the tenth degree, and pretty much for it's own sake to keep the thread active and innuendo. DN looks nothing like the BG.

I've forwarded Tricia my best guesses.

BBM
I feel the opposite, that there is some similarity, IMHO.
And DN's wife said this:

Katelyn Nations says she does think her husband looks like the sketch of the murder suspect released by police.
“I have been with Daniel for six years now and looking at that picture … there is a lot of similarities,” she said.
http://kdvr.com/2017/10/11/wife-of-...ing-person-of-interest-in-murders-of-2-girls/


As far as innuendo and weed go (if that's what you were referring to), he was arrested for possession in IN in Nov 2016 and April 2015, and in her youtube 'interview' his wife stated he's quite fond of it.
https://public.courts.in.gov/mycase...6QXhNekV5T0RFek1ESXdPakV6TkRRNU9EUXlNR1k9In19

ETA: I hope my 'he's quite fond of it' doesn't sound snarky. I'm actually in the 'legalize it' camp.

 

[heartgoesout]

Any word if DN is back in Indiana yet?

 

[Shiressleuth]

The 'pot rush' article I mentioned and linked above has an example of someone living out of an RV and having a home grow so I don't think this is as speculative as people are suggesting. His brother was dead so why did he go to Co ?

Also @Find Hg what do you mean "forwarded to Tricia" . What did you forward? I don't follow you.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Any word if DN is back in Indiana yet?

Not AFAIK. He is still the "Co guy" ATM. How will we get to know?

 

[kizzykat]

Not AFAIK. He is still the "Co guy" ATM. How will we get to know?

Would they have to update that app that people use to see where offenders are? (I can never remember the name of it.)

 

[FindHG]

BBM
I feel the opposite, that there is some similarity, IMHO.
And DN's wife said this:

Katelyn Nations says she does think her husband looks like the sketch of the murder suspect released by police.
“I have been with Daniel for six years now and looking at that picture … there is a lot of similarities,” she said.
http://kdvr.com/2017/10/11/wife-of-...ing-person-of-interest-in-murders-of-2-girls/


As far as innuendo and weed go (if that's what you were referring to), he was arrested for possession in IN in Nov 2016 and April 2015, and in her youtube 'interview' his wife stated he's quite fond of it.
https://public.courts.in.gov/mycase...6QXhNekV5T0RFek1ESXdPakV6TkRRNU9EUXlNR1k9In19

ETA: I hope my 'he's quite fond of it' doesn't sound snarky. I'm actually in the 'legalize it' camp.

I find her an unreliable, ill-reasoned, attention seeker as she does, so when the first brick is flawed, why build on it when I see no, or so little resemblance, and features that just do not jive?

But you have your own purview kizzykat. For example, if you did a search of Fort Wayne & Rape, there are any number of people who look more like BG than DN, even more recent arrest in CO and IN look more like BG than DN.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Would they have to update that app that people use to see where offenders are? (I can never remember the name of it.)

Vine link? That wouldn't be till he is in JoCo safe and sound though.

 

[kizzykat]

Vine link? That wouldn't be till he is in JoCo safe and sound though.

Yes, that's it thank you! Right, it wouldn't show him there till he's actually in JC Jail. I'm thinking that might be the only indicator we get unless/until MSM gets hold of it. I suspect LE will continue to be very quiet about it. MOO

 

[Shiressleuth]

I find her an unreliable, ill-reasoned, attention seeker as she does, so when the first brick is flawed, why build on it when I see no, or so little resemblance, and features that just do not jive?

But you have your own purview kizzykat. For example, if you did a search of Fort Wayne & Rape, there are any number of people who look more like BG than DN, even more recent arrest in CO and IN look more like BG than DN.

Are they POI's too? If not then we cannot discuss so it is moot. Also, what has rape got to do with either Delphi or this case? DN looks more like the sketch than BG does imo. That's not innuendo - I mean it.
And let's be honest if you like weed and go to live in Co, of course you're gonna grow some.

 

[minazoe]

I am of the opinion it could have been something to do with an illegal grow and it was being protected. We don't actually know exactly where he was found or even exactly where he was killed. Whether DN was involved or not in an employment capacity ( watering, guarding "I'm an ex marine" etc) is a possibility IMO. The other possibility is that it was an accidental shooting or the result of an altercation. As for these grows being seen there was an enormous one being grown on islands in the Co river in full view of the interstate for some time before it was busted so often they aren't reported for some reason.

If people are homeless can they still grow their alloted 6 /20 plants legally? As long as they are hidden from the public? Obviously that isn't allowed in Indiana is it?

catching up here, but wasn"t TW shot several times? this kind of rules out a stray bullet for me, maybe if they can see how and where he was shot, for instance if he rode thru a spray of bullets from someone rapidly firing off several rounds at similar heights and trajectories, I would imagine the 'autopsy would tell the story and could rule his death an accident.

also, accident victims dont bur'y themselves...that said DN was definitely up there flipping out about something, it's so dang weird Shiress..I just don't know what the heck to make of DN.

I have to resist temptation to say that the circumstances of his life are so unfortunate as to have driven him stark raving bug brains.

I think this is how he has played the system so long, the sympathy card.." Oh My kids..boo hoo hooo" .

dude , you were dragging them thru the woods, beating their mother, probably letting them freeze and starve.

God I hope they lock him up. Just ranting...MOO

 

[minazoe]

This exactly describes what i think about the possibility him having plants.

but wouldnt the plants have been found during the investigation? IMO

 

[foxbluff]

I just want to reiterate that if TW's death had anything to do with an illegal marijuana grow, that I do not believe DN would be involved in that.

Again, let's not lose sight of the possibility that someone other than DN murdered TW.

BBM - Just because DN is the only person we discuss here doesn't necessarily mean we believe he is the only possible murderer of TW. It can simply mean that, as the only named POI in this case, DN is the only possible murderer we're allowed to sleuth. moo

 

[ocgrad]

but wouldnt the plants have been found during the investigation? IMO

That's a really good question. Unlike in Delphi we saw news reports from a helicopter and on the scene reporters so we could know they scoured the woods for even small bits of trash. We don't know all that they found, but we know some. However we only know TW shoes and wallet were taken and found. We dont know if his camelback or cellphone were taken or not nor how extensively LE looked for it. It seems logical his bike was taken and stashed by the killer but its an assumption. LE and the media just didnt report on the crime scene investigation. Do they even know the location of murder? We don't. How far into the area would they have searched for evidence? Much of what we have learned was from mountain bike forums from the searchers.
We don't know much except everyone loved TW and he was a very experienced biker and at the same time he was shot and buried in a shallow grave DN was threatening people with a hatchet.
It sounds like LE is really shorthanded there.

 

[ocgrad]

I find her an unreliable, ill-reasoned, attention seeker as she does, so when the first brick is flawed, why build on it when I see no, or so little resemblance, and features that just do not jive?

But you have your own purview kizzykat. For example, if you did a search of Fort Wayne & Rape, there are any number of people who look more like BG than DN, even more recent arrest in CO and IN look more like BG than DN.

I looked and I agree the guy charged in June looks interesting. It's hard right because BG looks like any guy sometimes.
I see more resemblance of DN to the photo than the sketch.

 

[Shiressleuth]

but wouldnt the plants have been found during the investigation? IMO

Hi mz. TW wasn't found for three days. DN wasn't arrested for 11 days. Any plants could easily have been harvested or moved as well as the body. Also, what investigation?
You questioned about an accidental shooting and I was thinking of target shooting that could have caused it and the body being hidden out of guilt and not wanting to go to jail. :cow:

 

[minazoe]

works for me ocgrad.:cat:

 

[Shiressleuth]

I looked and I agree the guy charged in June looks interesting. It's hard right because BG looks like any guy sometimes.
I see more resemblance of DN to the photo than the sketch.

Everyone seems to see different. KN thinks he looks like sketch. I see him looking like both TBH . :cow:

Also oc - I think the bottom right photo looks like top left one while the top right photo looks like bottom left.

 

[minazoe]

Hi mz. TW wasn't found for three days. DN wasn't arrested for 11 days. Any plants could easily have been harvested or moved as well as the body. Also, what investigation?
You questioned about an accidental shooting and I was thinking of target shooting that could have caused it and the body being hidden out of guilt and not wanting to go to jail. :cow:

yeah like if he rode through somewhere where someone was just shooting off a gun, they could tell in the autopsy. would be different pattern..I mean they can tell trajectories right? so different then say if he was shot in the head from 6 feet away and then shot in the chest from say 3 feet away..wether the target was moving and which way etc. but we don't know where he was shot if he was shot on his bike or if he was off his bike and standing still or what was happening before he was shot.

how long had DN been there in CO before he was arrested? was it long enough to start a grow?

one thought I had..even though I'm not so sure there is pot involved..

that his behavior is inexplicable so you really can struggle to find a possible reason for running around like lil abner on a rampage ...