Cobra: Tapes, Interviews & Case Discussion

[Dr.Fessel]

I just wish Doc that he (Cobra) wouldn't have continuously interrupted Ronald and have let him talk-talk-talk... missed opportunities :banghead:
JMHO ~

OH I agree. What he was thinking was more important then what they were saying.

 

[bessie]

BBM.. Oh I can definitely relate to what you are saying however, I've seen the smirks when he mentions JM's name so I am more inclined to think differently..
I also know JM was at one time part of the drug division with PCSO, but was for some reason transferred out of that department..And I have learned some other things too..

Bottom Line for me I do feel Cobra was right on concerning Ron and his relationship with someone in LE...For certain LE didn't want Cobra snooping around down there... Same applies to Geraldo's visit and his questions concerning the drugs too...JMO

Em, our theories about the events of 02/09/09 might differ somewhat, but we share the same suspicions about Ron and his seemingly cozy relationship with JM.

I agree with all the posts regarding Ron and this tape, particularly the glaring omission about the time he left work. Cobra sure didn't seem concerned about eliciting any information from Ron, which makes me think he had another motive for talking to Ron in this particular discussion.

Do we know the date of this tape? Cobra was never a Ron supporter, but he sure does kiss up to him in this conversation. Remember when Cobra was going to do a re-enactment of Feb 9th with Misty at the MH? It didn't happen. IIRC, JM was opposed to the plan and advised R&M not to go through with it. I wonder if this was Cobra's attempt to get the go ahead from JM via Ron?

This isn't the thread to discuss the feuding and subterfuge that took place in the spring of '09, but imo Cobra's agenda included more than money and the furtherance of his...ahem...career, and it wasn't finding Haleigh.

ETA: Many thanks to nomoresorrow for transcribing this tape. I've heard the tape and know that it was not an easy task, but you did an excellent job.

 

[Chablis]

The FACT that Ronald sits and talks about crushing someones hands and being so gleeful that he wouldn't get attempted murder but assault and "out" that he would be "out" makes me sick, how can anyone stand behind this guy? The fear those little kids must have had around this dude!

 

[1Chump]

cobra: what do you think about joe, bro? joe would hurt your kid, right?

ron: joe, had business with me… because, heres`s the thing…

cobra: da*n!

ron: joe had his old lady come from wherever she was from in her new cadillac
and when i come down out from my room that day… after i hid it…ok?…after..
i didn`t tell nobody… so he thought that was where it`s at …and I come around the corner and guess where his girlfriend`s at?

cobra: where?

ron: now… (unintelligible) he was with Hank at the doctor… cuz hank said mf`r
if you got that pistol… you need to give it up.
cobra: who said that?

ron: hank…

cobra: hank, who is hank?

ron: man, hank is uh misty`s dad. he said mf you piece of s*** i know you got that gun

cobra: to you?

ron: nah, to joe. if you got that gun, you`re not leavin… cuz he said i`m leavin for for tennessee… i`m getting the f outta here. he said well you mf if you got it, you aint taking it with you, i`ll promise you that. wherever it`s at is where it will be.

cobra: oh joe confrontated his … i mean, uh hank got on his

ron: hank was already on his … hank had been on his all night. 5:30
in the morning, and hank… powwwwww! give it up b**** where is the gun?
cobra: no s**** da*n! x-man X-man mf`r

ron: he used to be before he got f`d up. but uh…

cobra: you talkin bout hank… you talkin bout?

ron: big hank in a wheelchair.

cobra: oh! he`s a bad mf`r, yeah… he`s alright, he`s a cool dude man…
i bought him a pack of cigarettes.

ron: here`s the thing came in the house at 6 o clock and told joe…

unknown: ( unintelligible interruption )

ron: thanks man, alright partner. i said, i said aint gonna hit him.
cobra: big guy? little guy? your size? smaller?

ron: smaller than me, i`d break him in half. aint nothin to it, i said dude…
all i want is for you to let me lay his hand on the concrete and crush it with
this motherf**** jack.
cobra: for stealin for stealin the damn gun…

ron: …and i would crush both of his mf`n hands… i will make sure they will never be able to mf`n… no, they will never be able to reconstruct em ….that way he will never be able to steal nothing from anybody else. right or wrong?

cobra: right on.

ron: instead of cutting them off and going to jail for attempted murder,
i will just crush your f`n hands b**** … i`ll get an assault with a deadly
weapon. so what? i`ll be out…. i`ll be out!

cobra: (laugh) don`t go f`n anybody up, man. be close, be close, be close on tommy! be very close. i got joe at the top of my f`n list. ya know, people try to put your name in there… i said, you know what? i seen the dude on tv… i seen this girl… i seen a lot of s****.

(end)

Wow. Am I reading this right? The day Joe left was the day Haleigh disappeared.

Ron says he came out when Joe was there to steal a gun from his house. There was a fight between Joe/Tommy over the gun while Ron was there. Ron mentions 5:30 and 6.

Did Ron just tell us what happened? Did Ron try to hurt Joe for trying to steal his gun right before he left and Haleigh got hurt instead.

This story is also similar to the story Misty wrote about the gun but Misty never mentioned Ron was there.

 

[Chablis]

Wow. Am I reading this right? The day Joe left was the day Haleigh disappeared.

Ron says he came out when Joe was there to steal a gun from his house. There was a fight between Joe/Tommy over the gun while Ron was there. Ron mentions 5:30 and 6.

Did Ron just tell us what happened? Did Ron try to hurt Joe for trying to steal his gun right before he left and Haleigh got hurt instead.

This story is also similar to the story Misty wrote about the gun but Misty never mentioned Ron was there.

I heard a story on the voice test, and Misty said Ronald directed her right to where the gun was "hidden"

To me, I took it as Ron planting it to try to create drama with Joe-

 

[bessie]

Wow. Am I reading this right? The day Joe left was the day Haleigh disappeared.

Ron says he came out when Joe was there to steal a gun from his house. There was a fight between Joe/Tommy over the gun while Ron was there. Ron mentions 5:30 and 6.

Did Ron just tell us what happened? Did Ron try to hurt Joe for trying to steal his gun right before he left and Haleigh got hurt instead.

This story is also similar to the story Misty wrote about the gun but Misty never mentioned Ron was there.

If there was a fight between Ron and Joe on February 9th, it wasn't just before Joe left town. He was around until at least the afternoon of February 10th. I doubt Ron would've admitted to Cobra that he was fighting with Joe around 5:30 or 6:00 when he was supposed to be at work. The fight Ron mentions likely occurred days earlier.

Tommy's not mentioned in this story from Ron. The Hank he refers to is Hank, Sr. In one of the Tommy tapes, Hank mentions an incident that occurred at his house. Hank was in the hospital for at least a few days prior to Feb 9th, so the argument could not have occurred later than Feb 4th or 5th. It's difficult to tell the sequence of events from this account, though. The way I read it, Joe stole the gun and was planning to leave the week before Haleigh disappeared. There was a big fight over it, and Hank, Sr. forced Joe to give it up. Ron took the gun and hid it. Later that day, he walked over to Tommy's house and Joe's girlfriend was there. But as we know, Joe didn't leave.

Since we first heard this tape, my thought has been that Joe set his sights on that gun, and he wasn't leaving without it, even if it meant delaying his trip home. But if Joe's friend was in PC a day or so before the 9th, where was she the night Haleigh disappeared? She supposedly dropped Joe off in PC on her way to Orlando, I think. Nobody has mentioned her being in PC on the 9th or 10th. So, did she go back to Orlando? Or did she hang around in PC? I dunno. But I do believe it's possible that Joe went to Ron's house on the night of Feb 9th to get that gun while Ron was at work. I also believe the phone argument that evening occurred when Misty called Ron to tell him Joe was at the MH demanding the gun, and that during that argument or shortly afterward, Haleigh was hurt. I think the argument upset the children, and it might've been Jr. and Haleigh hiding under the blanket, not Misty. Haleigh might've been so frightened that she wet her pants, which caused Misty to beat her. Misty threatened to tell Ron that they killed Haleigh if they didn't help her with the body.

 

[bessie]

You're right, Clown. Technically, he left the same day Haleigh was reported missing, February 10th, but many hours later. My statement wasn't clear, so I've edited my post.

 

[TrialAddict]

You're right, Clown. Technically, he left the same day Haleigh was reported missing, February 10th, but many hours later. My statement wasn't clear, so I've edited my post.

this case has me so confused I deleted mine LOL

 

[bessie]

this case has me so confused I deleted mine LOL

Ha! I hear ya.

 

[lonetraveler]

Yeah, the testosterone was everflowing that day on both their parts.

LOL Whisperer, your wording on this post made me laugh. All I could invision was Ron trying to show Cobra his **** sac to show that he didn't shoot up in that PART.

 

[Chablis]

LOL Whisperer, your wording on this post made me laugh. All I could invision was Ron trying to show Cobra his **** sac to show that he didn't shoot up in that PART.

If Cobra was smart, he should have asked Ronald to show him his feet. I imagine the silence would be deafening!

 

[jessigirl]

cobra: very same day. …and also he was staying over at timmy`s house, over there… and when timmy woke up at 1 o` clock in the morning that mother**** it wasn`t there.

(** he is Joe **)
So, Timmy's account of that night(&early morning hours) is that Joe was not in their home, as Joe claimed. And more than likely(IMO)he wasn't in their home and was gone in the blue van, that we of course know has the mysterious scratches&damage that occurred some time during that night/early morning hours...
Also if you read thru the transcripts of these tapes it also points to what I have stated to have truly happened in/and around the "fight" over the gun that Joe originally stole from Ron when he first arrived in Satsuma and that is that Ron really did a "number" on Joe and Joe's (something) street credibility by embarrassing, humiliating and discrediting Joe COMPLETELY(I.E., the part about what Ron said he wanted to do to his hands to show everyone he was a thief&keep him from ever even being ABLE to steal with THOSE HANDS(Joe's). And Joe swearing to seek revenge on Ron at all costs(there are multiple accounts of Joe swearing to do so)... As I previously have stated, I don't believe that many here do not give enough credit to the fact that Joe hated Ron with every ounce of his being& wanted to see Ron pay(and pay BIG)for what he'd done to Joe... It is JUST WAY TOO MUCH OF A COINCIDENCE for these events to have taken place, leaving Joe bitter, angry, and "out for blood", and had voiced this. And then ALL OF A SUDDEN Ron and Misty(together) or just Ron alone suddenly kill or cause some sort of EXTREME death "accidentally" of his daughter... It is just not how things happened.. NO COINCIDENCES OF SUCH MAGNITUDE OCCUR... I do not care for Ron Cummings one tiny bit. I am disgusted with so much of him&who he is that it is hard for me to have sympathy for him. But as much as I truly dislike this man,DO NOT AGREE with his lifestyle and hold him ACCOUNTABLE in many many ways and in the end do find fault with him, in that if he had not selfishly chosen this risky lifestyle that Haleigh would not have been innocently sacrificed as a way of retaliation by the (something) Joe. But I do not believe for one second that Ron was DIRECTLY involved in HALEIGH'S MURDER, nor in the COVER UP! The facts do not add up to Ron murdering his daughter, the facts(the little known ones that we know for sure), IN MY OPINION, the facts are NO COINCIDENCE, Joe is the main perpetrator, HE IS THE KILLER OF OUR PRECIOUS HALEIGH.

 

[Whisperer]

I appreciate your post, Jessi, but have you given any thought as to why ron would hide the gun after he got it back? I would think he would put it in his trunk...at least that is where many criminals keep their guns but to hide it at Tommy's is insane. Ron said he hid it there so when the cops came they would blame Joe for stealing it yet ron gets the gun and cleans it and later turns it into LE. Why in the world would he remove the fingerprints from the gun...the fingerprints would convict JO at least of theft.

Something is very wrong with rc's story about the gun.

 

[Donjeta]

What I don't understand is,

If Ronald wanted everyone to know that Joe was a thief why would he then worry about getting Joe in trouble with LE? Letting him be jailed for thievery would accomplish the task of letting the world know he's a thief quite neatly, IMO.

 

[Whisperer]

Tommy was arrested for stealing a gun. It was taken and returned a few days later...but when MM told the LE 6 months after the fact, LE arrested tommy for larceny.

 

[Whisperer]

Ron told the cameras there was no fight over no gun with JO. He told Cobra he was going to crush JO's hands with his jack to teach JO a lesson.

This is typical ron cummings. He has done this from day one. He has confused every fact we have and then some. Ron Cummings speaks out of both sides of his mouth.

 

[Whisperer]

One has to ask themselves why rc did not press charges on JO for stealing his gun. RC would do that in a heartbeat unless he has a very good reason for not doing so. Heck, he called the LE and reported Timmy for harassing him on the phone and calling him names. RC loves to turn people in...there is way more to this gun story.

 

[Emeralgem]

(** he is Joe **)
So, Timmy's account of that night(&early morning hours) is that Joe was not in their home, as Joe claimed. And more than likely(IMO)he wasn't in their home and was gone in the blue van, that we of course know has the mysterious scratches&damage that occurred some time during that night/early morning hours...
Also if you read thru the transcripts of these tapes it also points to what I have stated to have truly happened in/and around the "fight" over the gun that Joe originally stole from Ron when he first arrived in Satsuma and that is that Ron really did a "number" on Joe and Joe's (something) street credibility by embarrassing, humiliating and discrediting Joe COMPLETELY(I.E., the part about what Ron said he wanted to do to his hands to show everyone he was a thief&keep him from ever even being ABLE to steal with THOSE HANDS(Joe's). And Joe swearing to seek revenge on Ron at all costs(there are multiple accounts of Joe swearing to do so)... As I previously have stated, I don't believe that many here do not give enough credit to the fact that Joe hated Ron with every ounce of his being& wanted to see Ron pay(and pay BIG)for what he'd done to Joe... It is JUST WAY TOO MUCH OF A COINCIDENCE for these events to have taken place, leaving Joe bitter, angry, and "out for blood", and had voiced this. And then ALL OF A SUDDEN Ron and Misty(together) or just Ron alone suddenly kill or cause some sort of EXTREME death "accidentally" of his daughter... It is just not how things happened.. NO COINCIDENCES OF SUCH MAGNITUDE OCCUR... I do not care for Ron Cummings one tiny bit. I am disgusted with so much of him&who he is that it is hard for me to have sympathy for him. But as much as I truly dislike this man,DO NOT AGREE with his lifestyle and hold him ACCOUNTABLE in many many ways and in the end do find fault with him, in that if he had not selfishly chosen this risky lifestyle that Haleigh would not have been innocently sacrificed as a way of retaliation by the(something) Joe. But I do not believe for one second that Ron was DIRECTLY involved in HALEIGH'S MURDER, nor in the COVER UP! The facts do not add up to Ron murdering his daughter, the facts(the little known ones that we know for sure), IN MY OPINION, the facts are NO COINCIDENCE, Joe is the main perpetrator, HE IS THE KILLER OF OUR PRECIOUS HALEIGH.

BBM...IMHO Seems to me everything you have stated about Jo can be applied to Ronald Cummings also, but you leave Ronald Cummings out of the equation completely..
I would say if Ronald Cummings was the one wanting to crush Jo's hands, he is the one who with every ounce of his being is filled with hatred...
And IMHO Jo is not the main perpettrator...He did not kill Haleigh.. Ronald Cummings would have never allowed him to continue to breathe if he had...JMO

 

[jessigirl]

I appreciate your post, Jessi, but have you given any thought as to why ron would hide the gun after he got it back? I would think he would put it in his trunk...at least that is where many criminals keep their guns but to hide it at Tommy's is insane. Ron said he hid it there so when the cops came they would blame Joe for stealing it yet ron gets the gun and cleans it and later turns it into LE. Why in the world would he remove the fingerprints from the gun...the fingerprints would convict JO at least of theft.

Something is very wrong with rc's story about the gun.

Thanks for appreciating my opinion. I, too appreciate many of the drastically opposing opinions from my own here at WS (and of course that includes yours, Whisp, as I've said before) and don't get me wrong, there are so very many condemning things that are brought up about Ron. But IMHO most are condemning&serve as proof positive of the selfish, illegal, risky, dangerous lifestyle that this man not only chose before Haleigh was murdered(and IMO its the events that occurred in this lifestyle that led to her murder)but even more telling or damning is that he CONTINUED to lead and live in this lifestyle after Haleigh was murdered... So very much of what these ppl do, say, and the seemingly neverending lies I just cannot and do not understand(and probably never will because I was not reared anything like any of them nor was the illegal activity bred into me, as I feel it was to many of them) But I truly feel as tho when all is said and done and the truth(or atleast enough of the truth that LE can serve justice on behalf of our precious Haleigh)I think it will show that the cause for this little girl's innocence lost will be for nothing more than the bruised ego of a (something). I do realize however that these message boards wouldn't have much written/read on them if everyone had my same opinion and because of all the vastly different opinions is one of the many reasons that I personally enjoy WS... Now with all of that said, what you were speaking about in your above post of why would Ron do such with that handgun esp. wipe clean Joe's prints, when he could've turned it in to LE and pressed charges for theft? My answer is I believe Ron had no desire to see that crime prosecuted/punished (atleast not punished legally)once again I think this goes back to his completely illegal lifestyle and I don't think he wanted to turn over the gun to LE(and that could be for any number of reasons including that it had possibly have been used in the perpetration of another crime) I do believe Ron is NOT your innocent, law abiding citizen. Maybe the only thing he is innocent of is Haleigh's murder DIRECTLY, tho as I said I do even find him guilty INDIRECTLY because of his conscious decision to continue leading this illegal and dangerous lifestyle... I hope this makes sense, my attempting to explain a little of why and what my opinion is...:angel:

 

[Chablis]

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I do believe Ron is NOT your innocent, law abiding citizen. Maybe the only thing he is innocent of is Haleigh's murder DIRECTLY, tho as I said I do even find him guilty INDIRECTLY because of his conscious decision to continue leading this illegal and dangerous lifestyle... I hope this makes sense, my attempting to explain a little of why and what my opinion is...:angel:

He continued living his illegal lifestyle because hes a selfish drug addict, and being a drug addict, there is a chance the child got into his drugs, or he instructed someone to give the child medication to sleep, so there is a way he is indirectly responsible, but I waiver more on him being directly responsible.

jmo